Yeah that was my point. If Mitch is good with his role an da good soldier (And I have no current knowledge he is not), then I'm not saving two million for a Flacco. Maybe Dalton. But I don't think Dalton is a 2 million saving.
Reflecting on the Mapletron trade
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This will be tricky. I'm pretty sure he will want his 8 million more try to put something on film and leave.
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It has to be less than 6M so the sum is lower than just keeping Mitch
Right and with the QB bump it is hard to see an experienced QB coming here for less than six… or significantly less at least
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But DJ only has 2023 left on his contract. I would say it’s a safe bet Pickens is a #1 receiver sooner than later and we have CA3 sitting on IR. How about this. Packers throw their #1 and a conditional 3rd that could go as high as first depending on stats or they win a Super Bowl in 2023, do you take that? That could potentially give the Steelers the equivalent of 3 first round picks going into the draft. The Steelers could potentially get Jordan Addison, KP’s favorite College target, with one of their mid first round picks and have him locked up for 5 years. Then take an LT to protect his blindside, and still have another pick to fill a hole on the defense like ILB or DT.
DJ is signed through 2024… he would have been an UFA this year but he signed a three year reworked deal in the offseason
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My bad you are correct. But would you not consider that trade? Get a first and at least a 2024 third. And get KP’s favorite college target all while lowering the salary cap to long term a guy like Highsmith and or Sutton?
Id do it, but the reality is if we make the playoffs, we probably aren’t in the picture to get addison anymore he may fall because teams are going to massively overdraft a bunch of qbs this year, but he won’t fall out of the top 20
id ditch mitch and keep rudolph as #2 if he will stay.
I don’t think Rudolph is going to stay…
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It’s a crap shoot from now to the draft. Guys will rise and fall off workout numbers and measurables. But even if he isn’t there or a guy worth a mid first isn’t, there’s already lots of depth in this draft at WR. And we have an early 2nd and mid second to still snag one.
His hands just aren’t true #1 WR hands in my opinion. If we can move on and replace his contract with a younger, cheaper, and hopefully better option I’m all for it.
I mean there is a specific special case for addison …. The guy already does everything that DJ does with his route running… he just has better focus and already has a repertoire with Pickett… drafting a regular talented wr probably is going backwards for a season or so… you almost would have to bring in a pricey old vet for a season… most young wrs like pickens are crappy at routes… it takes them a few years to get that down to nfl levels
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Why would he. There are a lot of QB vacancies in the league. He wants a chance.
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Here’s part two of my master plan. I hire Joe Blaymaier as my OC. He literally had to retool the entire Chiefs receiver core last year. Traded Hill and just let everybody else sign elsewhere. What did he do? Only turn lemons into lemonade and the Chiefs lead the NFL in passing yards a game.
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Yes, because the QB2 keeping the Steelers "in the mix" for any extended number of games does not help at playoff time, nor does it help with a better draft spot. Sure a couple more wins seem nice on that day, but at the cost of notable cap space?
I think the Steelers would have been much better finishing 2019, after Ben went down, with a 5-11 record and better picks. If KP goes down next year, and he might, why wouldn't we want the highest 2024 picks possible, especially if we might need a new QB1?
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I think he has a pretty big cap hit if traded after this year, but all those reasons are why you ask for a first rounder. He's a low-end No. 1 and the Steelers could either draft a receiver or use the extra first rounder to acquire a legit No. 1 receiver just as the Bills did for Allen, Dolphins for Tua, and Eagles for Hurts.
8 is break even with Mitch and zero point. 6 is a negligible savings and doubtfully comparable.
right i dont blame him.. Im just saying.
Other thing about DJ is he doesn't take the top off the defense. I watched Mike Evans run past the corner three times yesterday for TDs. That one game was more than DJ in the last two years. So throw inconsistent hands and who is giving up a one?
I think we reached our suckered quota with the Bears and Claypool.
I think we reached our suckered quota with the Bears and Claypool.
The issue is value over production. We have a pro bowler locked in for 2 more years.
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2022 $7.6M
2023 $16.3M
2024 $15.8M
For every drop or misplay DJ has, he has a wow play. Kid is cheap, reliable, and an excellent teammate who has bought into the team concept. Want to call DJ a diva? Sorry, that's a dead narrative. Positive words all the time about his teammates and coaches. Steeler Nation is always screaming for a guy to take a team discount. DJ is the only pro bowler who ever has. Doesn't complain about being severely underpaid and took this deal because in his own words "the grass isn't always greener". This guy has AB talent with Ward's team loyalty. The fact his jersey isn't a top seller in this fanbase will always befuddle me.
I'll look at his film, as I said when we drafted DJ: Best route runner I'd ever seen drafted by us, and un blockable at the LOS in press. Now he's the top receiver at getting open on breaks in the league.
Let's go back to a WR the Steelers HAD TO HAVE in the first round because he beat all of Jerry Rice's records in college. We drafted Troy Edmunds who was a man among boys at a small college. Never had a season over 725yds, 5TDs, or 61 rec, and those were his rookie numbers. DJ has destroyed those numbers every year but his rookie season.
My point is all rookies are question marks, and I'm not getting rid of Kenny's top target for 2 1sts if it means grabbing someone who 'might' be better. We got rid of Claypool to give George a starting position, and he's not putting up Claypool numbers yet. i keep DJ, and don't forget, he was an All Pro his rookie season.
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Could you cue up some of these "wow" plays from DJ?
The only reason Johnson was named to the Pro Bowl last year is because he was a replacement. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good receiver, you just view him way higher than about anyone else.
No he's took a 2 year extention, so that added 2 years to this season. I have the numbers in my previous post.
Also conditional picks are determined by a player's production and reliability, not the team's success.
What you are describing is a nice story and I'm glad it worked out for the Bengals, but drafting Washington after Rudy was a poor decision, as Washington did less with the snaps that he had, than any other receover we've ever allowed to start that long...
Also What is a #1 receiver. You're describing a deep threat who usually plays Z WR in our offense. Guys like Wallace, Plex, Holmes, Claypool, and now GP are Zs. Holmes is probably the only Z that ever played like a 1 target, (and Juju during his 2nd season). X WRs on this team have always been our #1 WR, #1 targeted player, and #1 option.
Are the rookie's going to be team players, buy into the system, and have a great work ethic? Who knows? But I do know I never have to worry about DJ being a Diva.
Why select DJ to replace Chase if he wasn't one of the best WRs in the AFC? I didn't select him, the league thinks higher of DJ than our fans do.
Show me another vet X WR in this league that would play for DJ's salary at his production level.
A lot of haters forget the wow plays because they want to dwell on negative plays. Kind of like me with Edmunds, but I know how to give Eddie his props when he makes a great play and puts together his best 2 games as a Steeler in these past 2 weeks. Go rewatch the highlights from past Steeler games this year. Big first downs on 3rd down. Big catches along the sideline. An epic 2pt conversion. The guy is a reliable stick mover, and if he stayed off of the field last night when he banged his turf toe, we would not have won.
Yup, don't forget he's playing injured guys. 4 weeks with a hip and these past 2 with turf toe, one of the most painful injuries in sports that even Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders couldn't play with.
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Here’s my two cents.
Mitch will not be back. No way is he going to want to play understudy again. I think he feels he can be a starter and maybe he can be a bridge starter maybe here in Houston for a season since the Texans look to be headed towards drafting Bryce Young. Maybe LV where it looks like Carr is on the way out but he knows it’s not happening in Pittsburgh.
Secondly, I do not think we trade DJ unless we get offered a number one and that’s not happening so he’s staying and that’s really not a bad thing.
Third I don’t think Jordan Addison is in the Steelers plans since I think the attention will either be CB or OL with the first pick and DL with the second pick that’s almost a first. Jordan will be gone by the time we draft with the second pick.
I do think we take a receiver but in the third round and if there is one position we do well, it’s receiver.
Just some things I think I think.
Mitch will not be back. No way is he going to want to play understudy again. I think he feels he can be a starter and maybe he can be a bridge starter maybe here in Houston for a season since the Texans look to be headed towards drafting Bryce Young. Maybe LV where it looks like Carr is on the way out but he knows it’s not happening in Pittsburgh.
Secondly, I do not think we trade DJ unless we get offered a number one and that’s not happening so he’s staying and that’s really not a bad thing.
Third I don’t think Jordan Addison is in the Steelers plans since I think the attention will either be CB or OL with the first pick and DL with the second pick that’s almost a first. Jordan will be gone by the time we draft with the second pick.
I do think we take a receiver but in the third round and if there is one position we do well, it’s receiver.
Just some things I think I think.