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Remember the good old Cowher days?
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yet Bettis had a 3.9 YPC just like Najee
Bill Cowher is like that old fish story. The legend grows the more time passes by.
I loved Bill and his passion for the game. I’m far too lazy today to look up all the QB’s that played under Bill. And yes he won many games despite his QB play. His patience with Kordel sometimes drove me nuts. One could say then that Bill’s biggest weakness was finding an above average QB in the draft. Making it his priority.
Can you imagine if he had found a HOF type for most of his career?
Bill’s QB’s Drafted from 1992-2007……..1992 Round 12 Cornelius Benton. 1993 -Alex Van Pelt Round 8. 1994-Jim Miller Round 6.
1995- Kordell Stewart Round 2. 1996- Spenser Fisher Round 6. 2000-Tee Martin Round 5. 2003- Brian St.Pierre Round 5. 2004- Big Ben Round One. 2006- Omar Jacobs Round 5.
It used to drive me up the walls back then. As you can see all they ever did was draft for a backup in later rounds. Except for 2nd rounder Kordell. He stuck way too long with Kordell a career 55% passer who threw way more Interceptions than touchdowns. Took him 12 years to use a first rounder on a QB. And he still had to be convinced. Used to drive me nuts that they never used a first on a QB before Ben.
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Of course we remember the good old Cowher days.
Be honest, you felt that creating this thread would be a clever way to start another Tomlin bashing session. Gotta get your fix.
His YPC went down as he aged, and was only used as a short yardage RB, and it was a running league when he played, teams lined up to stop the run then, not this hybrid nickel stuff everyone runs today which should be easier to run against, Baltimore use to run a 4-4-3 on defense.
I went back and looked at the drafts, who is the HOF QB that we passes on in round 1 that was on the board and we skipped? Chad Pennington? We picked late round 1 most of the 90's. Maybe we should blame Noll/Rooney for passing on Marino.
1999 draft coming off is first losing season, Cade McNown went the pick before we took Edwards, then the next QB didn't go until late round 2 Shaun Kind, then the next QB after him didn't got until later in round 3. 2000 after his other losing season, we passed on Pennington for Burress, the next QB drafted didn't go until round 3, Giovanni Carmazzi.
The sticking with Kordell thing, I mean his first year as a starter was 1997, we had the best record, made the AFFG, and Kordell was doing all kinds of commercials, alot of people, not just Cowher thought he was the next big thing. Then 1997 we started 7-4, then lost the last 5. You're not going to move on from Kordell after that. Then 1999 wasn't good at all, and Kordell was replace after 10 games, then wasn't the starter in 2000. Then went back to him in 2001, and he actually received a couple MVP votes, then he was benched after 2 games in 2002.
And part of the legend thing growing is because we're watching Tomlin turn this franchise into a **** show.
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If Bettis would play in today's NFL, he'd be arrested for murdering linebackers and DBs 6 weeks into the season.
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3.2 his second year. 3.5 his 3rd. then 2 great years of 4.5 and 4.4 followed by 3.8 3.6 and 3.8.
Najee was running into a stacked box his entire career here.
Yea ok I’ll bite. For one My post had nothing to do with Tomlin. I don’t have to put his name in every post. Marino was drafted in 1983. Once again I have no idea what that has to do with My thoughts of Cowher not making QB a high priority.
Here’s one for you. Drew Brees in 2001. Very highly regarded at the time. We could have had him.
Here’s another one for you Daunte Culpepper. He was drafted 2 ahead of us. As I said above…it’s not like they made drafting one as a priority. There would have been nothing wrong with trying to move up a few spots for the most important position. Not like they never traded at the time. ****…..I would have rather had Jake Plummer over Chad Scott. I even wanted Pennington. I think you forget how we needed to upgrade the QB position.
Admittedly I never thought Kordell did squat. In 2001 the year you pointed out he went 14tds 11ints for 3100 yards with 29 sacks. God….I remember all the sacks and interceptions. His completions were a whole 60%. Some mvp year. They had a very good team,and if they would have had a good QB who knows how far they would have gone.
70 TD’s 72 interceptions a whole 56.5% completion for Steelers. Anyone else have these type of stats you’d be screaming to get rid of him.
I'm no Kordell fan, he wasn't that good. Drew Brees is the only one on that list I would've liked, Culpepper was good because he could throw it a mile to Moss, and we have no idea if we tried to trade up there or not, or if no one wanted to trade. Had we known in the draft of 1996 what we knew in 1999 then yeah maybe we could've taken Plummer, but alot of people thought Kordell was going to be very good, so hard to say we should've taken Plummer, but he threw the same number of TD's as INT's and he only completed 57% of his passes and had a career rating just a little higher than Kordell, add Kordell's running ability and it was pretty much a push there. Go back and look at the QB's that went in the 1st round in the 90's, yuck, I never realized the lack of talent at QB in the draft then.
I never said your post had anything to do with Tomlin, I simply pointed out that the reason the legend of Cowher seems to be growing is because of what Shades has turned us into
I think the thing Cowher did that doesn't get talked about enough, he took a 7-9 Noll team and quickly turned the roster over and had them in the AFCCG in 3 years. Then did it again in the late 90's early 2000's, his ability to overturn the roster quickly.
The worst memory from the Cowher era for me was the 1994 playoff loss to the underdog Chargers…in our house.
Heavy favorites, we were kicking their a$$ all game, 415 total yards to their 226.
Except we couldn’t score.
The Chargers needed only one big play courtesy of a defensive breakdown that left their TE wide open for 43yd TD.
Maybe Eric Green and company were too focused on making a Super Bowl Rap video which never came to fruition.
Tim McKyer was so distraught and overwhelmed over the loss he didn’t have the strength to walk off the field.
Heavy favorites, we were kicking their a$$ all game, 415 total yards to their 226.
Except we couldn’t score.
The Chargers needed only one big play courtesy of a defensive breakdown that left their TE wide open for 43yd TD.
Maybe Eric Green and company were too focused on making a Super Bowl Rap video which never came to fruition.
Tim McKyer was so distraught and overwhelmed over the loss he didn’t have the strength to walk off the field.
I've heard people say this, I don't agree at all with that. Just because he could run? He was horribly inaccurate and couldn't read a defense, and wasn't mentally strong. Yeah he was a great runner, but you still need to be able to throw accurate passes and know where to throw it.
1000%. There's a reason that "mobile" qb's have not won a ton of SB...because at the end of the day, if you stack the box, you have to be able to throw out of it...if you are not accurate, then you are left with nothing.
As far as Cowher goes...there were as many people ready to run him out of town for his Martyball style as there were that supported him. Now that we have seen what a **** show AR2 and Tomlin have turned the team into...it is easy to look back with fondness on Cowher. While he had his faults, I will say that at least we KNEW what our identity was as a team. That is something that we have lost in the last decade. Sure we had our down years and sub .500 seasons, BUT, that gave us a chance to draft higher in each round and add weapons. That is my biggest gripe with finishing at .500 repeatedly...you don't draft high enough for impact players, and you have to rely on developing players. I think it is safe to say that the latter is not something that Tomlin and his coaching staff have excelled at.
Fu had his moments.
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But he gave you the 1st down on short yards situations
And we were competitive in the playoffs, we didn't get blown out by double digits in 6 straight playoff games.
That's the narrative from the Ex players like Arthur Moats and Ryan Clark when it comes to Tomlin, well look at who his QB is, he shouldn't win, or be expected to win in the playoffs. So if a coach has a disadvantage at QB, then they shouldn't be expected to win in the playoffs? I could make a list a mile long where the better QB lost in a playoff game, but that doesn't apply to the Great Mike Tomlin. If that's the case Cowher should've been first ballot HOF for being in a Super Bowl with Neil and 4 AFCCG's with Kordell and Neil, and won a playoff game with Maddox and Tomczak.
True about never being below .500 gives you less to draft with, but it's not that Cowher & Co. had that many seasons below .500, they had a few, but they just drafted better with the chances they had. Just look at Cowher's first few rounds each year compared to Clown-lin: Kirkland, Searcy, Chad Brown, Figures, CJ, Buckner, Bruener, Kordell, Scott, Blackwell, Faneca, Ward, Edwards, Shields (I didn't say they were all great). Plex, Marvel Smith, Hampton, Kendrell Bell (was really good for a minute), Kendal Simmon, Randle El, TROY, Ike, BEN, HEATH, McFadden, HOLMES. 3-4 HOFers in there. Now Clowns-lin's list: Timmons, Woodley (good start), Mendenhall, Sweed (quickly turns to crap), Hood, Urbik, Pouncy, Worilds, Cam, Gilbert, DeCastro, Adams, Jones, Bell, Shazier, Tuitt, Dupree, Golzon, Burns, Shawn Davis (2 bums in a row), Watt, JuJu, Edmunds, Washington, (2 more bums), Bush, D. Johnson, (2 more), Claypool, Highsmith, Najee, Freiermoth, Picket, (set us back 5 years), Pickens, Broderick Jones, Porter, Fautanu, Frazer. Not comparable, something was lost.