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Remember the good old Cowher days?

Coryea said:
Yeah, Najee wasn't running into Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa or Ted Washington and Richard Seymour
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He also wasn't running behind Alan Faneca, Dermontti Dawson, Wayne Gandy, Jeff Hartings...

Najee isn't as bad as many here claim he is. He just wasn't the right fit here, and he'll fit better in LA. But we also didn't use him very well while we had him. Once Ben retired, they forgot that Najee has great hands, and continued to broadcast to the world that while he was in, it was going to be a run play.

Even trying to compare the situations of Bettis and Najee is dumb, I don't even understand anyone would try to compare the two at all, in any way. Two different era's, two different offensive styles, two different types of backs...the only thing they share in common is they both wore black and gold.
 
Coryea said:
Yeah when I went back and looked at those drafts, I was shocked at the lack of talent at QB then.
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And the Rooneys stubbornly stuck with the no QB talent agenda reaping them how many rings in the 80's and 90's? Oh, that would be 0.
Good going.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Year - Steelers Pick - QB drafted after Steelers pick
1992 - 1.11 Leon Searcy - Tommy Maddox at 25
1993 - 1.23 Deon Figures - Billy Joe Hobert at 58
1994 - 1.17 Charles Johnson - Perry Klein at 111
1995 - 1.27 Mark Bruener - Todd Collins at 45 (Kordell Stewart selected at 60)
1996 - 1.29 Jamain Stephens - Tony Banks at 42
1997 - 1.24 Chad Scott - Jim Druckenmiller at 26 (note: Jake Plummer at 42)
1998 - 1.26 Alan Faneca - Charlie Batch at 60
1999 - 1.13 Troy Edwards - Shaun King at 50 (note: Dante Culpepper 1.11 and Cade McNown at 1.12)
2000 - 1.8 Plaxico Burress - Chad Pennington at 18 (note: thank goodness they didn't take CP)
2001 - 1.19 Casey Hampton - Drew Brees at 32
2002 - 1.30 Kendall Simmons - Patrick Ramsey at 32
2003 - Troy Polamalu - Kyle Boller at 19 (note: Rex Grossman at 1.22)

Not exactly a lot of great options available QBs unless they made a huge trade up.
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Bingo. Takes two to trade up and a front office that agrees.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Bingo. Takes two to trade up and a front office that agrees.
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Rooneys have always been anti-paying for top QB talent, like they didn't need it. Too bad the only rings we ever got was from when we had talented QBs playing the position (Bradshaw & Ben). You'd think that occurred to them at some point. We've never won a ring without one of those 2 QBs running the show: Bradshaw with 4, Ben with 2. The collection of Malone, O'Donnell, Kordell, Pickett and Russ and Fields = zero.
 
insaniti said:
He also wasn't running behind Alan Faneca, Dermontti Dawson, Wayne Gandy, Jeff Hartings...

Najee isn't as bad as many here claim he is. He just wasn't the right fit here, and he'll fit better in LA. But we also didn't use him very well while we had him. Once Ben retired, they forgot that Najee has great hands, and continued to broadcast to the world that while he was in, it was going to be a run play.

Even trying to compare the situations of Bettis and Najee is dumb, I don't even understand anyone would try to compare the two at all, in any way. Two different era's, two different offensive styles, two different types of backs...the only thing they share in common is they both wore black and gold.
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Bettis last 4 years of service shouldn't count, he was not the same player in those 4 years. From '96 to 2001 he was a bruiser, a beast.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BettJe00.htm
 
Lloyd said:
Rooneys have always been anti-paying for top QB talent, like they didn't need it. Too bad the only rings we ever got was from when we had talented QBs playing the position (Bradshaw & Ben). You'd think that occurred to them at some point. We've never won a ring without one of those 2 QBs running the show: Bradshaw with 4, Ben with 2. The collection of Malone, O'Donnell, Kordell, Pickett and Russ and Fields = zero.
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Let's set up a go fund me account for Ben. Poor guy only got paid a bazillion $$$.
The rooneys are cheap thing with players is way way over rated
 
insaniti said:
He also wasn't running behind Alan Faneca, Dermontti Dawson, Wayne Gandy, Jeff Hartings...

Najee isn't as bad as many here claim he is. He just wasn't the right fit here, and he'll fit better in LA. But we also didn't use him very well while we had him. Once Ben retired, they forgot that Najee has great hands, and continued to broadcast to the world that while he was in, it was going to be a run play.

Even trying to compare the situations of Bettis and Najee is dumb, I don't even understand anyone would try to compare the two at all, in any way. Two different era's, two different offensive styles, two different types of backs...the only thing they share in common is they both wore black and gold.
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That's hardly their only difference: one RB bordered on greatness, the other was purely ordinary. Bettis was special, Najee not so much.
 
Lloyd said:
That's hardly their only difference: one RB bordered on greatness, the other was purely ordinary. Bettis was special, Najee not so much.
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You completely misread my statement. I said they shouldn't be compared, there are too many variables, too many differences. The only thing they have in COMMON is they both wore black and gold. Comparing Najee to any other Steelers back is dumb, because none of them have had to deal with Tomlin's ridiculously predictable and simple offense. Cowher would have changed the way they blocked to fit Najee's style, Tomlin likes square pegs in round holes.
 
Lloyd said:
When Munch was here we had one of the best OLs in the NFL: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Marvel Smith, Colon, Villanueva, Hartings. Somehow when Munch was here, the OL got coached up. Since Munch, never.
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Munch was. But he did not coach Starks, Kemo, Marvel Smith, Willie Colon or Jeff Hartings.
 
Lloyd said:
When Munch was here we had one of the best OLs in the NFL: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Marvel Smith, Colon, Villanueva, Hartings. Somehow when Munch was here, the OL got coached up. Since Munch, never.
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How can anyone take you seriously when you make such grossly incorrect statements as this? Only two of the seven Oline you named (Pouncey and Villanueva) played for the Steelers when Munch was a Steelers coach. That's a 71% error rate. Are all your opinions based on similarly inaccurate factual knowledge?

The starting Oline for a significant part of Munch's tenure was: Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, De Castro, Gilbert.

Others used during Munch's time include Beachum, Hubbard, Cody Wallace, Finney.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
How can anyone take you seriously when you make such grossly incorrect statements as this? Only two of the seven Oline you named (Pouncey and Villanueva) played for the Steelers when Munch was a Steelers coach. That's a 71% error rate. Are all your opinions based on similarly inaccurate factual knowledge?

The starting Oline for a significant part of Munch's tenure was: Villanueva, Foster, Pouncey, De Castro, Gilbert.

Others used during Munch's time include Beachum, Hubbard, Cody Wallace, Finney.
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Oh boo who. Why don't you cry about it?
 
Steelmann said:
Bill Cowher is like that old fish story. The legend grows the more time passes by.
I loved Bill and his passion for the game. I’m far too lazy today to look up all the QB’s that played under Bill. And yes he won many games despite his QB play. His patience with Kordel sometimes drove me nuts. One could say then that Bill’s biggest weakness was finding an above average QB in the draft. Making it his priority.
Can you imagine if he had found a HOF type for most of his career?

Bill’s QB’s Drafted from 1992-2007……..1992 Round 12 Cornelius Benton. 1993 -Alex Van Pelt Round 8. 1994-Jim Miller Round 6.
1995- Kordell Stewart Round 2. 1996- Spenser Fisher Round 6. 2000-Tee Martin Round 5. 2003- Brian St.Pierre Round 5. 2004- Big Ben Round One. 2006- Omar Jacobs Round 5.

It used to drive me up the walls back then. As you can see all they ever did was draft for a backup in later rounds. Except for 2nd rounder Kordell. He stuck way too long with Kordell a career 55% passer who threw way more Interceptions than touchdowns. Took him 12 years to use a first rounder on a QB. And he still had to be convinced. Used to drive me nuts that they never used a first on a QB before Ben.
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Alex Van Pelt--- That's a name I haven't heard in a long time...A very long time. Back in the day at the old Oyster Pub in Daytona Beach, I was part of a group of Steeler fans that showed up there religiously on Sundays during the early Cowher years. Whenever the starter went off the rails, we'd drunkenly yell out for coach to put in "pork and beans"!!! We want pork and beans!!!! It was our nickname for the guy, based off the similarity to Van Camps Pork & Beans.....I guess you had to be there.... Right @mightyguru ? 🤣
 
Coryea said:
The Cowher Martyball was a bit of reach because he coached under Shottenheimer.
The AFCCG vs the Chargers, we threw the ball 52 times that game, but didn't trail until like 8 minutes left in the game, so we didn't throw because we were trailing all game.
The AFCCG vs Denver, we were up 7, in FG range, could've just ran Bettis a few times and kick a FG to go up 10 if we didn't get the first, but he let Kordell throw trying to get a TD, but Kordell threw into double coverage in the end zone.
AFCCG vs NE in 2001, we threw the ball 25 or so times to like 8 runs in the first half.

It works a little better when you have Ben throwing early. lol
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I've been watching some old tapes of Ben, he really used his God-given skills to make it all happen. His alluding tackles to throw for 1st downs was amazing. He was so difficult to get on the ground.
 
Lloyd said:
When Munch was here we had one of the best OLs in the NFL: Starks, Kemo, Pouncey, Marvel Smith, Colon, Villanueva, Hartings. Somehow when Munch was here, the OL got coached up. Since Munch, never.
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I think those guys were coached by a different oline coach and not Munch
 
topseed said:
I was critical of Cowher's Martyball approach for years, but he was able to finally adapt, and he aggressively put a young Ben in position to win in the AFC playoffs in 2005. BC overcame his fears and realized that he had talent at the QB position, and he took advantage of that. That was Cowher's 14th year. We are entering Tomlin's 19th year, and there are still no signs of any adaptation on his part.
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Martyball was Cowher’s identity. Still find it funny how it worked for him. So much so that in 2002 the Steelers led in almost every statistical category vs the expansion Texans and still lost.


I do miss the Cowher era days though
 
MTC said:
Martyball was Cowher’s identity. Still find it funny how it worked for him. So much so that in 2002 the Steelers led in almost every statistical category vs the expansion Texans and still lost.


I do miss the Cowher era days though
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Why did you remind me of that game.
 
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