Remember the good old Cowher days?

[Lloyd]

But he gave you the 1st down on short yards situations

But wait, Najee comes to the line and dances (and then gets tackled for no gain.

 

[Litos]

But wait, Najee comes to the line and dances (and then gets tackled for no gain.

that;s my point, I was talking about Bettis

 

[Lloyd]

As far as Cowher goes...there were as many people ready to run him out of town for his Martyball style as there were that supported him.

And I was one of them, but nowhere near as fervent as I am currently a Clown-lin disappointment.

Now that we have seen what a **** show AR2 and Tomlin have turned the team into...it is easy to look back with fondness on Cowher. While he had his faults, I will say that at least we KNEW what our identity was as a team.

And unlike his predecessor, Cowher learned as he went. He corrected his Martydom ways of being too scared sh--less to win in the playoffs. Clown-lin just continues to be a dumb f---.

That is something that we have lost in the last decade. Sure we had our down years and sub .500 seasons, BUT, that gave us a chance to draft higher in each round and add weapons. That is my biggest gripe with finishing at .500 repeatedly...you don't draft high enough for impact players, and you have to rely on developing players. I think it is safe to say that the latter is not something that Tomlin and his coaching staff have excelled at.

He brags about not developing players. He is Clown-lin. A total buffoon.

 

[Lloyd]

that;s my point, I was talking about Bettis

I know.

 

[Coryea]

The Cowher Martyball was a bit of reach because he coached under Shottenheimer.
The AFCCG vs the Chargers, we threw the ball 52 times that game, but didn't trail until like 8 minutes left in the game, so we didn't throw because we were trailing all game.
The AFCCG vs Denver, we were up 7, in FG range, could've just ran Bettis a few times and kick a FG to go up 10 if we didn't get the first, but he let Kordell throw trying to get a TD, but Kordell threw into double coverage in the end zone.
AFCCG vs NE in 2001, we threw the ball 25 or so times to like 8 runs in the first half.

It works a little better when you have Ben throwing early. lol

 

[Lloyd]

The Cowher Martyball was a bit of reach because he coached under Shottenheimer.
The AFCCG vs the Chargers, we threw the ball 52 times that game, but didn't trail until like 8 minutes left in the game, so we didn't throw because we were trailing all game.
The AFCCG vs Denver, we were up 7, in FG range, could've just ran Bettis a few times and kick a FG to go up 10 if we didn't get the first, but he let Kordell throw trying to get a TD, but Kordell threw into double coverage in the end zone.
AFCCG vs NE in 2001, we threw the ball 25 or so times to like 8 runs in the first half.

It works a little better when you have Ben throwing early. lol

I was at the playoff game when Kordell threw the very damning pick right before the half. Bettis was crushing the Broncos, there was no reason to have Kordell throw the ball. Right into double, triple coverage. That ***---- LB from Denver, Romanowski, gave the stupid sign to Kordell, very painful. That costed them the game.

 

[Coryea]

I was at the playoff game when Kordell threw the very damning pick right before the half. Bettis was crushing the Broncos, there was no reason to have Kordell throw the ball. Right into double, triple coverage. That ***---- LB from Denver, Romanowski, gave the stupid sign to Kordell, very painful. That costed them the game.

Yep, that was Kordell trying to prove he was a pocket passer, he should've tucked it and ran when he saw the guy wasn't open.

 

[bermudasteel]

Yaaaay!!! Another I hate Coach Tomlin thread...

 

[bermudasteel]

But he gave you the 1st down on short yards situations

He also ran behind a top tier OL... Najee not ever...

 

[bermudasteel]

But wait, Najee comes to the line and dances (and then gets tackled for no gain.

Homework for you.

List the OL players that Bettis ran behind in column A.

List the OL players that Najee team behind in column B.

I'll wait...

 

[Hypocycloids]

And I was one of them, but nowhere near as fervent as I am currently a Clown-lin disappointment.

No $hit ???!!!
Who would have guessed?!

And unlike his predecessor, Cowher learned as he went. He corrected his Martydom ways of being too scared sh--less to win in the playoffs. Clown-lin just continues to be a dumb f---.

He brags about not developing players. He is Clown-lin. A total buffoon.

 

[Steeler Pride]

He also ran behind a top tier OL... Najee not ever...

Whose fault is that? How many draft picks have we thrown at that OL and this coaching staff cannot find a way to improve the OL. Player development is one of Tomlins biggest weak points.

 

[bermudasteel]

Whose fault is that? How many draft picks have we thrown at that OL and this coaching staff cannot find a way to improve the OL. Player development is one of Tomlins biggest weak points.

You do remember that we had a very good OL with Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert...blah blah blah.

We just found a decent replacement for Pounce and until he was injured James Daniels was very serviceable at OG. Two tackles have been drafted over the past 2 years - it takes time. Injuries blew up the plan last year because Dan Moore Jr. could only play LT. Yes, the HC and FO ****** up by not addressing it sooner but that fact still stands:

Bettis had a superior OL vs. Najee's swinging doors...

 

[Badcat]

You do remember that we had a very good OL with Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert...blah blah blah.

We just found a decent replacement for Pounce and until he was injured James Daniels was very serviceable at OG. Two tackles have been drafted over the past 2 years - it takes time. Injuries blew up the plan last year because Dan Moore Jr. could only play LT. Yes, the HC and FO ****** up by not addressing it sooner but that fact still stands:

Bettis had a superior OL vs. Najee's swinging doors...

Bettis had to run against big run stuffing defenses, Naj ran against pass defending defenses. Apple and Oranges my friend.

 

[Steelmann]

I'm no Kordell fan, he wasn't that good. Drew Brees is the only one on that list I would've liked, Culpepper was good because he could throw it a mile to Moss, and we have no idea if we tried to trade up there or not, or if no one wanted to trade. Had we known in the draft of 1996 what we knew in 1999 then yeah maybe we could've taken Plummer, but alot of people thought Kordell was going to be very good, so hard to say we should've taken Plummer, but he threw the same number of TD's as INT's and he only completed 57% of his passes and had a career rating just a little higher than Kordell, add Kordell's running ability and it was pretty much a push there. Go back and look at the QB's that went in the 1st round in the 90's, yuck, I never realized the lack of talent at QB in the draft then.
I never said your post had anything to do with Tomlin, I simply pointed out that the reason the legend of Cowher seems to be growing is because of what Shades has turned us into

I too was surprised at the lack of talent in those years of QB’s when I looked back. Of course my thoughts are all speculation,who knows what really went on. We had a good team,I could care less about Plummer,but inserted into our team might have had way different results in his career. Who knows. For me it seemed Bill’s philosophy during those times was a great D with a run control, time clock control offense. Without needing his QB to do it all. Maybe he did try to change his conservative approach by drafting Kordell. Trouble was that Kordell was so,so inaccurate. I so disagree with people that say Kordell would have thrived in today’s NFL. He simply was not accurate,threw way too many pics,and took sack after sack. Yes….he was electric as a runner. But he’s nothing even close to Jackson. Cheers.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Bill Cowher is like that old fish story. The legend grows the more time passes by.
I loved Bill and his passion for the game. I’m far too lazy today to look up all the QB’s that played under Bill. And yes he won many games despite his QB play. His patience with Kordel sometimes drove me nuts. One could say then that Bill’s biggest weakness was finding an above average QB in the draft. Making it his priority.
Can you imagine if he had found a HOF type for most of his career?

Bill’s QB’s Drafted from 1992-2007……..1992 Round 12 Cornelius Benton. 1993 -Alex Van Pelt Round 8. 1994-Jim Miller Round 6.
1995- Kordell Stewart Round 2. 1996- Spenser Fisher Round 6. 2000-Tee Martin Round 5. 2003- Brian St.Pierre Round 5. 2004- Big Ben Round One. 2006- Omar Jacobs Round 5.

It used to drive me up the walls back then. As you can see all they ever did was draft for a backup in later rounds. Except for 2nd rounder Kordell. He stuck way too long with Kordell a career 55% passer who threw way more Interceptions than touchdowns. Took him 12 years to use a first rounder on a QB. And he still had to be convinced. Used to drive me nuts that they never used a first on a QB before Ben.

Go back and look at the drafts again, the two he passed on were Chad Pennington (aka Rag Armington) and Drew Brees. Everyone passed on Brees. Unless they traded up, he just didn’t have many options to draft a franchise QB until Ben.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

You do remember that we had a very good OL with Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert...blah blah blah.

We just found a decent replacement for Pounce and until he was injured James Daniels was very serviceable at OG. Two tackles have been drafted over the past 2 years - it takes time. Injuries blew up the plan last year because Dan Moore Jr. could only play LT. Yes, the HC and FO ****** up by not addressing it sooner but that fact still stands:

Bettis had a superior OL vs. Najee's swinging doors...

Because he should have drafted OL before Najee. Tomlin schedules the painters for his new house before the drywall is up.

 

[Steelmann]

Go back and look at the drafts again, the two he passed on were Chad Pennington (aka Rag Armington) and Drew Brees. Everyone passed on Brees. Unless they traded up, he just didn’t have many options to draft a franchise QB until Ben.

You mean like I said in post #39? . I fully believe they should have traded up if they could have.

 

[topseed]

I was critical of Cowher's Martyball approach for years, but he was able to finally adapt, and he aggressively put a young Ben in position to win in the AFC playoffs in 2005. BC overcame his fears and realized that he had talent at the QB position, and he took advantage of that. That was Cowher's 14th year. We are entering Tomlin's 19th year, and there are still no signs of any adaptation on his part.

 

[SteelerFan448]

It used to drive me up the walls back then. As you can see all they ever did was draft for a backup in later rounds. Except for 2nd rounder Kordell. He stuck way too long with Kordell a career 55% passer who threw way more Interceptions than touchdowns. Took him 12 years to use a first rounder on a QB. And he still had to be convinced. Used to drive me nuts that they never used a first on a QB before Ben.

Year - Steelers Pick - QB drafted after Steelers pick
1992 - 1.11 Leon Searcy - Tommy Maddox at 25
1993 - 1.23 Deon Figures - Billy Joe Hobert at 58
1994 - 1.17 Charles Johnson - Perry Klein at 111
1995 - 1.27 Mark Bruener - Todd Collins at 45 (Kordell Stewart selected at 60)
1996 - 1.29 Jamain Stephens - Tony Banks at 42
1997 - 1.24 Chad Scott - Jim Druckenmiller at 26 (note: Jake Plummer at 42)
1998 - 1.26 Alan Faneca - Charlie Batch at 60
1999 - 1.13 Troy Edwards - Shaun King at 50 (note: Dante Culpepper 1.11 and Cade McNown at 1.12)
2000 - 1.8 Plaxico Burress - Chad Pennington at 18 (note: thank goodness they didn't take CP)
2001 - 1.19 Casey Hampton - Drew Brees at 32
2002 - 1.30 Kendall Simmons - Patrick Ramsey at 32
2003 - Troy Polamalu - Kyle Boller at 19 (note: Rex Grossman at 1.22)

Not exactly a lot of great options available QBs unless they made a huge trade up.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

We were drafting late most of those years. Dilfer proved a point. But youre not wrong.

 

[insaniti]

Bettis had to run against big run stuffing defenses, Naj ran against pass defending defenses. Apple and Oranges my friend.

You make it sound like the box wasn't stacked when Najee was in the game and the entire league knew it was a run play... **** even a few teams this past year said they knew we were going to run the ball, even if it didn't work.

 

[Coryea]

Year - Steelers Pick - QB drafted after Steelers pick
1992 - 1.11 Leon Searcy - Tommy Maddox at 25
1993 - 1.23 Deon Figures - Billy Joe Hobert at 58
1994 - 1.17 Charles Johnson - Perry Klein at 111
1995 - 1.27 Mark Bruener - Todd Collins at 45 (Kordell Stewart selected at 60)
1996 - 1.29 Jamain Stephens - Tony Banks at 42
1997 - 1.24 Chad Scott - Jim Druckenmiller at 26 (note: Jake Plummer at 42)
1998 - 1.26 Alan Faneca - Charlie Batch at 60
1999 - 1.13 Troy Edwards - Shaun King at 50 (note: Dante Culpepper 1.11 and Cade McNown at 1.12)
2000 - 1.8 Plaxico Burress - Chad Pennington at 18 (note: thank goodness they didn't take CP)
2001 - 1.19 Casey Hampton - Drew Brees at 32
2002 - 1.30 Kendall Simmons - Patrick Ramsey at 32
2003 - Troy Polamalu - Kyle Boller at 19 (note: Rex Grossman at 1.22)

Not exactly a lot of great options available QBs unless they made a huge trade up.

Yeah when I went back and looked at those drafts, I was shocked at the lack of talent at QB then.

 

[Badcat]

You make it sound like the box wasn't stacked when Najee was in the game and the entire league knew it was a run play... **** even a few teams this past year said they knew we were going to run the ball, even if it didn't work.

not what I meant at all. The box was stacked against them both, one with a run defense (Bettis) and one with a nickel package is what I was saying.

 

[Coryea]

not what I meant at all. The box was stacked against them both, one with a run defense (Bettis) and one with a nickel package is what I was saying.

Yeah, Najee wasn't running into Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa or Ted Washington and Richard Seymour