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Slash we full confidence you will flush him out like a soft turd.Bob will be back under a different username he just can't help himself.
Slash we full confidence you will flush him out like a soft turd.Bob will be back under a different username he just can't help himself.
Dollars to donuts Lunar found some kick-*** way to incorporate clamato or tomato juice into some rum.
Actually, that sounds so disgusting I don't think even he could pull that one off.
Bob will be back under a different username he just can't help himself.
That's how I do podcasts in the RV!!!Bob in the Arena went bye bye from Justin according to Coolie. Coolie was going to tell Bobās mother heās been stealing Wi-Fi access from Walmart parking lots.
I can make **** up too and then write a book about it. I am sure some dumb *** like you will buy it.7 years later, Deflategate is in the news again: Report suggests NFL covered up facts that might have exonerated Tom Brady, Patriots
Deflategate is the gift that keeps on giving. The NFL-manufactured scandal that accused the New England Patriots and quarterback Tom Brady of illegally tampering with the air pressure inside footballs to gain a competitive advantage ā an accusation that was later disproven by basic science ā dominated news cycles throughout 2015 and 2016.
Now, it is back. A new book by Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk shines a light on the league officeās role in the scandal and how it actively worked against the Patriots.
Two pieces of information were recently shared in a quasi-excerpt from the book: who was responsible for the erroneous tweet by ESPNās Chris Mortensen claiming that 11 of 12 Patriots footballs were two pound per square inch (PSI) below the leagueās air pressure range (12.5-13.5), and how the NFL handled measurements conducted during the 2015 season.
As for Mortensenās tweet, its source reportedly was NFL vice president of football operations Troy Vincent:
Vincent played a key role in the whole Deflategate affair, being present during measurements at halftime of the 2014 AFC Championship Game between the Patriots and the visiting Indianapolis Colts. The Colts had alerted the league about a rumor originating with the Baltimore Ravens that New England would tamper with the footballs; the NFL tried to catch the Patriots in the act and measured the footballs at the half.
New Englandās balls were measured first, and only one of the twelve was more than 2 PSI below the threshold; the others ranged from 1.8 to 0.2 PSI below but still within a scientifically explainable range. Yet, Mortensenās tweet remained online and the basis of much of the talk about Deflategate.
Obviously, the leagueās field study conducted during the 2015 season would have helped exonerate the Patriots and their quarterback after their were heavily penalized for their alleged involvement. However, NFL hid the numbers, reportedly at the behest of league counsel Jeff Pash:
The fact that the NFL league office built an expensive case against New England and eventually conspired to keep unfavorable evidence hidden is nothing new. The league never releasing the testing numbers after the 2015 season was sufficient proof of that already.
Now, however, we know who played a key role in the process that eventually cost the Patriots two draft picks ā a first- and a fourth-rounder ā and led to the NFL suspending Tom Brady for four games: Troy Vincent either knowingly or not feeding wrong numbers to a receptive journalist, and Jeff Pash covering up facts that would have proven the NFLās case to be based in fiction rather than fact.
Ultimately, however, none of it matters. Those who believe the Patriots have been guilty of whatnot will still do so, while their two stripped draft will not return. Likewise, this serves as further proof that Vincent and Pash tried to hold onto the conclusions that were drawn in the Gillette Stadium locker room in January 2015.
At the end of the day, Deflategate remains a full success for the NFL as Pats Pulpitās own Alec Shane wrote in 2016:
Florioās new book will not change any of that.
Report: NFL covered up facts that might have exonerated Tom Brady, Patriots in Deflategate
Seven years after it first happened, one of the weirdest scandals in league history is back.www.patspulpit.com
Looking at those PFT comments the cheat fans sure buy into the bullshit easily. They cheated.... them out of a draft pick yada yada. NFL is out to get them. I guess that is better than their reality that they repeatably cheated was repeatably warned, caught, and punished. Forever asterisks New England deal with it.I can make **** up too and then write a book about it. I am sure some dumb *** like you will buy it.
Looking at those PFT comments the cheat fans sure buy into the bullshit easily. They cheated.... them out of a draft pick yada yada. NFL is out to get them. I guess that is better than their reality that they repeatably cheated was repeatably warned, caught, and punished. Forever asterisks New England deal with it.
Yes. No one can find the tapes anymore! Why? RG had a bonfireJP -
Are you able to provide a citation which shows specific examples of this supposed cheating that the Pats did and the NFL swept under the rug?
Just today there was more than one person here trying to claim that the sanctions against the Pats was "evidence" that they cheated.
Eh. Itās a win at all cost league. Depending on how bad the franchises want to win. Itās no different than the shady ethics a bunch of our corporations do to keep business going.People really donāt understand the entire history of why belicheat cheatsā¦ billy the cheater was Bill Parcells right hand toolā¦ Bill the greater was always suspected of shady tacticsā¦ there was a reason he specifically took certain players from team to teamā¦ the story goes back in the 80ās he caught Walsh cheating with headsets ( sound familiar) and confronted him about itā¦ walsh gave him some bs about gamesmanship and the league refused to act on it so he adopted a bunch of the tactics and BB just perfected them and expanded it way past gamesmanship to actually spyingā¦
I mean basically everything rumored about parcells, walsh, davis and a dozen others all are things that the pats are rumored to have doneā¦ if the nfl pulled on that thread too hard, a lot of hof people are going to be found with no clothesā¦
But its hard to discuss because many of these rumors predate the internet saturation so they were localized to the nfl camp towns and betting establishmentsā¦
Something finally came out about this a few years back but the national media ignored it like the plagueā¦.
Its not like BB woke up one day and thought hey lets cheatā¦ he was groomed into the mindset
There is some truth to this, definitely. However, there are still ambassadors of the sport and league who give a damn. A different era no doubt, but Vince Lombardi would laugh at those who felt that they had to cheat to win. He himself would say, āhere is our playbook, we will still beat you based on our executionā. Tony Dungy learned from Chuck about having pride in teaching players how to execute successfully. Who did Chuck learn from? Paul Brown, one of the zeniths of the game itself. Tom Landry? Dick Vermeil? Those were ambassadors of the game.Eh. Itās a win at all cost league. Depending on how bad the franchises want to win. Itās no different than the shady ethics a bunch of our corporations do to keep business going.
Honestly not shocked. Itās a cut throat league. They got caught. But I think every team does advantageous tactics. Iāll leave the cheating debate up to you guys.
It all comes down to money. The bigger something becomes the more tactics are used to keep it raking in the cash.There is some truth to this, definitely. However, there are still ambassadors of the sport and league who give a damn. A different era no doubt, but Vince Lombardi would laugh at those who felt that they had to cheat to win. He himself would say, āhere is our playbook, we will still beat you based on our executionā. Tony Dungy learned from Chuck about having pride in teaching players how to execute successfully. Who did Chuck learn from? Paul Brown, one of the zeniths of the game itself. Tom Landry? Dick Vermeil? Those were ambassadors of the game.
Yeah to an extent though MTC. There is revenue sharing so the money is balanced out (except by what franchises take in thatās not game related). Egos is the driving force. Primarily Coaches and Owners. Jones and Snyder obviously the owners with issues. As for coaches, Belichickās $500k has been a deterrence for most coaches who think trying to bend beyond the spirit of the rules. Plus some of the younger coaches have used Belichickās own BS gamesmanship knocks against him (Vrabel for one).It all comes down to money. The bigger something becomes the more tactics are used to keep it raking in the cash.
Different times for sure
I think itās practiced even by the ones we think are pure for the sport. The nfl is a powerful corporation now than what it was in 50ās, 60ās, 70ās etc.Yeah to an extent though MTC. There is revenue sharing so the money is balanced out (except by what franchises take in thatās not game related). Egos is the driving force. Primarily Coaches and Owners. Jones and Snyder obviously the owners with issues. As for coaches, Belichickās $500k has been a deterrence for most coaches who think trying to bend beyond the spirit of the rules. Plus some of the younger coaches have used Belichickās own BS gamesmanship knocks against him (Vrabel for one).
And one photographic memory has retired. That was one weapon that was at their disposal yearly. Now he is gone and I enjoy their mediocrity when it matters the most. No sports should have room for hardcore cheaters. Baseball is nasty with their reaction to it. Some of how it should be. Not that they are perfect in their approach. Cheats master thief lost his safe cracker.I think itās practiced even by the ones we think are pure for the sport. The nfl is a powerful corporation now than what it was in 50ās, 60ās, 70ās etc.
And that said I am not bothered. I wonāt hold a franchise over the fire going with the win at all cost mentality. The patriots got caught and have to deal with whatever consequences come down the line. I think the patriots will be a mediocre team now as the league and sideline communications have become advanced
Yepā¦you know Ernie said when he retired and left pointing at Billā¦āIām not a freak. Heās the freak,ā¦ā¦Iām a Gādamn good looking man!!And one photographic memory has retired. That was one weapon that was at their disposal yearly. Now he is gone and I enjoy their mediocrity when it matters the most. No sports should have room for hardcore cheaters. Baseball is nasty with their reaction to it. Some of how it should be. Not that they are perfect in their approach. Cheats master thief lost his safe cracker.
And yes ohhhhh ho ho..
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Yepā¦you know Ernie said when he retired and left pointing at Billā¦āIām not a freak. Heās the freak,ā¦ā¦Iām a Gādamn good looking man!!
There is a difference between a misdemeanor offense and a felonyā¦Eh. Itās a win at all cost league. Depending on how bad the franchises want to win. Itās no different than the shady ethics a bunch of our corporations do to keep business going.
Honestly not shocked. Itās a cut throat league. They got caught. But I think every team does advantageous tactics. Iāll leave the cheating debate up to you guys.
Eh let the teams do whatever. Itās just a kids game.There is a difference between a misdemeanor offense and a felonyā¦
Gamesmanship was BB ( or tomlin) playing head games with injury reports, or a wr faking a catch that hit the ground hoping to trick the refsā¦ sure basically itās lying and morally its wrongā¦ but its minute and not really punishableā¦ or the olinemen and dbs holding every play knowing the human nature of the refs would allow muchbof it to go byeā¦. That all falls under the gamesmanship label
Stealing playbooks, stealing plays, taping practices, bugging locker rooms, intercepting private communications, rigging some of your guys with radios that were against the ruleā¦ thats just blatent cheatingā¦ some of it potentially falls into corporate espionage levels that are actually real crimesā¦ that **** was over the lineā¦
But it really isntā¦ its a multi billion dollar industry with another multibillion dollar industry in sports gambling tied to itā¦Eh let the teams do whatever. Itās just a kids game.
Yeah some irony with gambling being thrust into the picture now. NFL has those pockets spread open and it isn't going to fill itself.But it really isn'tā¦ its a multi billion dollar industry with another multi billion dollar industry in sports gambling tied to itā¦
So if itās corporate espionage and a real crime; whereās the punishment? They were caught werenāt they?But it really isntā¦ its a multi billion dollar industry with another multibillion dollar industry in sports gambling tied to itā¦
And magically the tapes were burned and tge audio equipment disappearedā¦ plus the nfl pushed hard to get congress to back off their investigationā¦So if itās corporate espionage and a real crime; whereās the punishment? They were caught werenāt they?
Iāll agree with you. Itās a big corporation much like any big corporation they have their shady practices. Aside from that it serves no real value other than entertainment