Russel Wilson

[Steelr4evr]

The last 3 weeks exposes your comment to be bullshit. I'll take the legs and rushing TDs to go with the passing arm.

Justin didn't turn the ball over like Russ and he didn't take as many sacks. Gotta evaluate it all.

While this was true. You have to look at the teams he played vs the last 3 weeks. I'm not certain the outcome would be any different.

He certainly doesn't change how the defense is played. I guess we will see if they play him vs the Bengals.

Which I'm more worried about the defense stopping that offense. They failed last time.

 

[Drink IRON City]

While this was true. You have to look at the teams he played vs the last 3 weeks. I'm not certain the outcome would be any different.

He certainly doesn't change how the defense is played. I guess we will see if they play him vs the Bengals.

Which I'm more worried about the defense stopping that offense. They failed last time.

Bungle defense is questionable at best, but it did stop a recently hot Denver offense today.

Bungle offense will hang 25 on our D, We will have to see what our O can hang on their D.


Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

Im paying darnold if im Kahn

I think the Vikings tag him but yeah he would be my choice if available. Which I think he won’t be.

 

[MT~Forged]

I like Frazier and McCormick, but I think you're assuming a lot regarding Jones and Fautanu.

Jones in particular has to prove he will be better at LT than he's been at RT.

I draft another OT early and the 2 best start, no matter who it is. Also look for a decent young G in FA.

 

[Troglodyte]

The last 3 weeks exposes your comment to be bullshit. I'll take the legs and rushing TDs to go with the passing arm.

Justin didn't turn the ball over like Russ and he didn't take as many sacks. Gotta evaluate it all.

Fields didn’t play against the last three opponents and was also out with an injury. Regardless, he didn’t play better than Wilson against lesser opponents, what makes you think he would’ve played better against the best teams in the league?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Fields didn’t play against the last three opponents and was also out with an injury. Regardless, he didn’t play better than Wilson against lesser opponents, what makes you think he would’ve played better against the best teams in the league?

He couldn't have played WORSE than Wilson. We should have been investing in Fields all year long, which would have made him a different player by now (more growth). Tomlin playing Russ to "win now" (when everyone with a set of functional eyes can see this team is a first round bounce) is typical Tomlin short-sighted ignorance.

And I'd be willing to gamble Fields may have won one of those games - against BAL. Russ cost us 14 points in that game.

We will never know now. But looking in the rear view mirror, we KNOW playing Russ is a failed experiment.

 

[Troglodyte]

He couldn't have played WORSE than Wilson. We should have been investing in Fields all year long, which would have made him a different player by now (more growth). Tomlin playing Russ to "win now" (when everyone with a set of functional eyes can see this team is a first round bounce) is typical Tomlin short-sighted ignorance.

And I'd be willing to gamble Fields may have won one of those games - against BAL. Russ cost us 14 points in that game.

We will never know now. But looking in the rear view mirror, we KNOW playing Russ is a failed experiment.

You sound like someone talking about a team that was 3-10 a few weeks ago, not 10-3 and 6-1 with Wilson starting. Fields is the experiment, not Wilson. The Steelers got him for a 6th round pick. Wilson threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs a little over a month ago, he can still play. A few games where the entire team played poorly doesn’t change that. You can’t place player development over winning when you’re headed to the playoffs.

 

[SteelerFan448]

You sound like someone talking about a team that was 3-10 a few weeks ago, not 10-3 and 6-1 with Wilson starting. Fields is the experiment, not Wilson. The Steelers got him for a 6th round pick. Wilson threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs a little over a month ago, he can still play. A few games where the entire team played poorly doesn’t change that. You can’t place player development over winning when you’re headed to the playoffs.

It's pure speculation, but I think the Steelers would be sweating it out needing some help Week 18 to make the playoffs if Fields started all year--and this is coming from someone who wanted Fields to start through at least the bye week.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He’s still the best option the Steelers have, he averages 50 more yards and 1TD per game more than Fields.

QBs are measured by wins
Lower winning percentage than Fields

Russ had the benefit of playing multiple absolute garbage teams, JF got 1

4-2 JF (and 2 saves to ice games where Russ was in doubt of being able to)
6-4 Russ

And Russ is old as dirt and declining
JF young and was progressing

Fields helped with long sustained drives, TOP, keeping the D fresh and fits the Tomlin super conservative shorten the game philosophy better.

And we’re stuck with Mike

 

[KentuckySteeler]

He couldn't have played WORSE than Wilson. We should have been investing in Fields all year long, which would have made him a different player by now (more growth). Tomlin playing Russ to "win now" (when everyone with a set of functional eyes can see this team is a first round bounce) is typical Tomlin short-sighted ignorance.

And I'd be willing to gamble Fields may have won one of those games - against BAL. Russ cost us 14 points in that game.

We will never know now. But looking in the rear view mirror, we KNOW playing Russ is a failed experiment.

Tomjack couldn't take that chance. He knew we'd get to 9+ wins with Russ and if we didn't, he would have been able to say he tried. Tomlin makes every decision to keep the paycheck coming in. I would not be surprised if he pulled the plug on Russ at halftime of the Bengals game or before this season is over and sell that he's going to develop Fields. That buys him at least 2 more years after this one. We are stuck in pergatory until this magic elixir salesman moves on.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Fields didn’t play against the last three opponents and was also out with an injury. Regardless, he didn’t play better than Wilson against lesser opponents, what makes you think he would’ve played better against the best teams in the league?

Russ got NYJ, NYG, CLE twice and the **** Cincy D…played Bal twice, PHI, WAS and KC (

JF played DEN, LAC, ATL, all playoff contenders
IND and Dal both outter fringe playoff bubble teams
1 layup in LV

Pretty similar win percentages on teams faced

Russ faced a few of the top tier teams and got absolutely smoked
Also faced several tomato cans and went 3-1 vs them
JF faced more of the mid tier playoff contenders and 1 tomato can

Would’ve been hard for JF to fare much worse than Russ did the last 3 weeks and his mobility likely would’ve made them more competitive

 

[Confluence]

It's pure speculation, but I think the Steelers would be sweating it out needing some help Week 18 to make the playoffs if Fields started all year--and this is coming from someone who wanted Fields to start through at least the bye week.

And the team would be better able to evaluate the younger Fields while the older Russ gets even further past his peak performance.

 

[Troglodyte]

QBs are measured by wins
Lower winning percentage than Fields

No, just no. By that logic, they’re both better than Joe Burrow.

Russ had the benefit of playing multiple absolute garbage teams, JF got 1

Fields lost to the Colts and Cowboys

4-2 JF (and 2 saves to ice games where Russ was in doubt of being able to)
6-4 Russ

It was Fields that needed to be bailed out when he slid before the first down marker.

 

[KentuckySteeler]

Tomlick was on Shark Tank ??!!

 

[Troglodyte]

Russ got NYJ, NYG, CLE twice and the **** Cincy D…played Bal twice, PHI, WAS and KC (

NYJ, PHI and WAS are Top 5 in Pass Defense. NYG 7th.

And wilson didn’t get absolutely smoked the last three weeks. He had a passer rating >90 in 2/3 games.

 

[stillwright]

Fields didn’t play against the last three opponents and was also out with an injury. Regardless, he didn’t play better than Wilson against lesser opponents, what makes you think he would’ve played better against the best teams in the league?

I don't think Fields had as much freedom as Wilson has.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You sound like someone talking about a team that was 3-10 a few weeks ago, not 10-3 and 6-1 with Wilson starting.

A rational person knew that 10-3 was against the easy part of our schedule. 10-3 was no way indicative of the mettle of this team. The eye test told anyone that.

Fields is the experiment, not Wilson.

Wilson absolutely is an experiment, along with Fields. One is young, with potential to develop. One has proven historical prowess, but is fighting Father Time. Can he still perform they way he used to? So far the experiment says no.

The Steelers got him for a 6th round pick. Wilson threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs a little over a month ago, he can still play.

Yah, one game against a lesser opponent does not a season define.

A few games where the entire team played poorly doesn’t change that. You can’t place player development over winning when you’re headed to the playoffs.

Over winning? Is that what we've been doing, winning? Put down the crack pipe you're hitting.

 

[Troglodyte]

A rational person knew that 10-3 was against the easy part of our schedule. 10-3 was no way indicative of the mettle of this team. The eye test told anyone that.

10-3 included wins against the Ravens and Washington. 2/3 losses were with Fields starting.

Wilson absolutely is an experiment, along with Fields. One is young, with potential to develop. One has proven historical prowess, but is fighting Father Time. Can he still perform they way he used to? So far the experiment says no.

Proven Prowess and a CURRENT 97.4 passer rating is experimental?

Yah, one game against a lesser opponent does not a season define.

Wilson also had good games and wins against several of the leagues best pass defenses albeit not the best teams that I already posted.

Over winning? Is that what we've been doing, winning?

Not against 7-9 Dallas and Indianapolis, no.

 

[FordFairLane]

Does he not know how to climb a pocket. I have really been paying attention to this the last few weeks, It's like he refuses to climb the pocket. Ben use to be a master of this, climb the pocket and go downfield. He doesn't seem to be seeing the field and there seems to be no clock in his head. some of these sacks he is taking are inexcusable.

I agree with what someone said earlier. he seems to be turning into the Denver Russel Wilson

5-10 vs 6-5.

Wilson has a tough time seeing over the line so getting outside helps his vision. Brees was the only short QB I can think of who effectively climbed the pocket without losing sight downfield.

 

[topseed]

10-3 included wins against the Ravens and Washington. 2/3 losses were with Fields starting.

The Steelers beat the Ravens 18-16 with Russ at quarterback. A game in which Boswell kicked 6 field goals, including FOUR from 50+. Wilson was 23-36 for 205 yards, obviously no touchdowns, and an INT, for a QB rating of 67.5. He was sacked four times and had one yard rushing on four carries.

You don't think Fields wins that game?

 

[warriors42]

5-10 vs 6-5.

Wilson has a tough time seeing over the line so getting outside helps his vision. Brees was the only short QB I can think of who effectively climbed the pocket without losing sight downfield.

After three *** kickings in a row from good teams, getting outside the pocket doesn't seem to be working all that well for him either. I am a definitely hard pass on resigning him after this year.

Russ needs to move on with his lifes work. As this team is playing the last three weeks I fear the Bengals are gonna put a monster *** beating on us, and Russ will have been a big part of the reason why.

 

[Troglodyte]

The Steelers beat the Ravens 18-16 with Russ at quarterback. A game in which Boswell kicked 6 field goals, including FOUR from 50+. Wilson was 23-36 for 205 yards, obviously no touchdowns, and an INT, for a QB rating of 67.5. He was sacked four times and had one yard rushing on four carries.

You don't think Fields wins that game?

Who knows? I do know the offense has been more productive with Wilson.

 

[topseed]

Who knows? I do know the offense has been more productive with Wilson.

Yes, very productive. 40 points in the last three games.

 

[Troglodyte]

Yes, very productive. 40 points in the last three games.

The grass is always greener but it wasn’t with Fields.

 

[topseed]

The grass is always greener but it wasn’t with Fields.

The grass with Russ right now is dead-of-winter shlt-brown.