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Senior Bowl Thread

Pickett will likely reap the benefits of Joe Burrow. He's a safe pick that a team can talk themselves into being Joe Burrow. You look at Mac Jones and figured Pickett will at least be that and if a coach or GM are on the hot seat, Pickett likely plays well enough immediately that you get a few more years.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Howell had an up and down career but you can see why he’s a top prospect. He’s the most physically talented QB in the draft in terms of size, arm strength, mobility and exposure to a more pro style passing game. Maybe not size, but he’s tall enough and is the best combo of upside and ability to play immediately
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What ?He played in a simplistic high school binary offense has a mediocre Armand is slow as hell runs a 5.04 40. In other words Tomlin will and has fallen in love with him..
 
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bermudasteel said:
I didn't see that but I'm not getting paid to evaluate or pick these kids. He made some nice reads I just don't see what everyone else sees---not longterm that is...
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He has that Jimmy G vibe to me. But that might be the top of the heap in comparison to the other motley crew. It is like if I throw you in a room for a few days without eats then throw you a saltine cracker. Num num num that would be the best cracker you ever had. 😁
 
I see Ridder threw 2 Td's, how did he look? I wouldn't pass on him after the first and definitely the second if he is still there and we haven't drafted someone.
 
slashsteel said:
He has that Jimmy G vibe to me. But that might be the top of the heap in comparison to the other motley crew. It is like if I throw you in a room for a few days without eats then throw you a saltine cracker. Num num num that would be the best cracker you ever had. 😁
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Isn't that an old Eddie Murphy bit?

 
SteelerSask2 said:
I understand you support Cougar players Coolie but you aren't suggesting the Steelers go edge in the second are you? They have a superstar and a budding pro bowl there.
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I think it's possible. You need depth to have a rotation. With the big money paid to Watt, would they be able to keep Highsmith if he has a big season? He may have to leave like Dupree.

If Pass rusher is the best player available in rd 2, i can definitely see it being the pick. Same with WR. If they go QB in rd 1 then you have to think rd 2 must be OL. If they get OL in rd 1 then rd 2 is more open.
 
JP1977 said:
What ?He played in a simplistic high school binary offense has a mediocre Armand is slow as hell runs a 5.04 40. In other words Tomlin will and has fallen in love with him..
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Canada is trying to use a simplistic high school offense and so are others. I don't know Howell's 40. He's not Lamar Jackson but he's very mobile. A QB doesn't need a fast 40 to be an effective runner.

I'm not pimping Howell. He'd scare the **** out of me if the steelers pick him. Just pointing on why he's highly touted in the weak class.
 
Luketa from Penn State had a strong game but he will have a hard time finding a position. He started as an off ball LB for PSU but then transitioned to DE. He's a hard worker but not a great athlete. He doesn't have the length to be an edge rusher. He'll probably be a great special teamer and could be a 3-4 ILB if you want a thumper.

His best bet may be to hit the weights and try to be a James Harrison style bull rusher and edge setter.
 
bermudasteel said:
For those that took the time to look at the highlights from Haskins (find it on YouTube if you want)---I'm going to say it---I don't see much difference in Haskin's game vs. Willis'.

Maybe one has better intangibles but skills-wise, I don't see a difference...

Thoughts???
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I think you are reaching… both have strong arms, but willis is far faster and quicker and is a run first type while fields is a pocket passer type

Haskins runs a 5.08 40 and willis ran a 4.37 a couple years ago…

Both struggle with complex reads and force passes… so there is that

I mean he completed two passes, threw two away… ran a bunch and got that one PI… he averaged like 2.8 ypa… nothing much to go off really
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Pickett will likely reap the benefits of Joe Burrow. He's a safe pick that a team can talk themselves into being Joe Burrow. You look at Mac Jones and figured Pickett will at least be that and if a coach or GM are on the hot seat, Pickett likely plays well enough immediately that you get a few more years.
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Yes Pickett is safe… if a guy with an arm like willis were to put it all together his upside would be amazing, but there is probably what? A 5% chance of that…. Pickett will run what he is supposed to… though im not sure the guy will ever carry an offense like Ben could….
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
so he reminds you of mayfiled who was the #1 overall pick. In most years he'd be an afterthought but in this draft, he's probably the top guy due to upside. Josh Allen was pretty erratic even in his first year in Buffalo. All teams want the run threat QB. Ridder and Willis are mobile but Howell is ahead of them as a pocket passer.

I'm not going to feel great if any of these guys are the steelers 1st rounder. They all have flaws. Picket is the surest bet but in some ways he could also be the worst pick. I would much rather draft a guy and he turn out to be a bust and you move on rather than get a guy who is just good enough to get you to the playoffs but no further.

Picket could be good but may also top out as a Dalton or Cousins or Garopolo. In other words, you may waste 5 or more seasons on a guy like that before you realize he's not the guy. That's what worries me most in the next QB. Not a bust, a mediocrity.
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Being the #1 overall pick doesn't guarantee that you're going to be good, let alone great at the NFL level. It could just mean that some team made a mistake. For example, if someone said a QB reminded them of JaMarcus Russell, would that mean it's a good pick? I mean JaMarcus was the #1 overall pick from his draft class.

We agree that neither of us would feel great if any of this year's crop of QBs are the Steelers 1st rounder. We also agree on mediocrity being a serious worry. We just don't agree on Howell. I see him as a Baker clone ... and that smells like all over mediocrity to me.
 
madinsomniac said:
Yes Pickett is safe… if a guy with an arm like willis were to put it all together his upside would be amazing, but there is probably what? A 5% chance of that…. Pickett will run what he is supposed to… though im not sure the guy will ever carry an offense like Ben could….
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That's why i'd rather roll the dice on a guy like Willis who could be great. When Ben came out I wanted him over Rivers and even Eli. Because Ben had huge upside and Rivers and Eli looked like high level game managers. I want the QB that elevates others , not a QB that needs others to carry him.

People are down on Rudolph, and Haskins is still unknown but i think both are guys who can win if they are on a good team. NOt win the SB, but get to the playoffs. Rudolph can be a game manager so I'd rather not draft another one. Swing for the fences. The rookie cap means drafting a bust QB in the 1st no longer kills you for year on the cap.

Are any of these QBs better than Rudlolph? Rudolph had a better college career than most of them. Do any have more arm talent than Haskins? They don't. That's the problem with this QB class, i'm not sure any of them are great. I'm not sure any of them have more upside than Rudolph or Haskins.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Being the #1 overall pick doesn't guarantee that you're going to be good, let alone great at the NFL level. It could just mean that some team made a mistake. For example, if someone said a QB reminded them of JaMarcus Russell, would that mean it's a good pick? I mean JaMarcus was the #1 overall pick from his draft class.

We agree that neither of us would feel great if any of this year's crop of QBs are the Steelers 1st rounder. We also agree on mediocrity being a serious worry. We just don't agree on Howell. I see him as a Baker clone ... and that smells like all over mediocrity to me.
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To be clear, i'm just explaining why Howel is so highly rated in the crappy class. I was always disappointed when i saw him play. I liked Baker more coming out. Baker seemed to have the killer instinct and gave his team juice. The browns run first system takes away Baker's best attributes. Baker should get the hell out of there. I actually think Arians could do well with Baker in Tampa and those WRs.

I never saw that killer instinct with Howell or any of these QBs really.

Right now i don't want any of these guys in Rd 1.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Being the #1 overall pick doesn't guarantee that you're going to be good, let alone great at the NFL level. It could just mean that some team made a mistake. For example, if someone said a QB reminded them of JaMarcus Russell, would that mean it's a good pick? I mean JaMarcus was the #1 overall pick from his draft class.

We agree that neither of us would feel great if any of this year's crop of QBs are the Steelers 1st rounder. We also agree on mediocrity being a serious worry. We just don't agree on Howell. I see him as a Baker clone ... and that smells like all over mediocrity to me.
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I am actually ok with Ridder in 2. I think he has some to put together but I think the capability is there.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
To be clear, i'm just explaining why Howel is so highly rated in the crappy class. I was always disappointed when i saw him play. I liked Baker more coming out. Baker seemed to have the killer instinct and gave his team juice. The browns run first system takes away Baker's best attributes. Baker should get the hell out of there. I actually think Arians could do well with Baker in Tampa and those WRs.

I never saw that killer instinct with Howell or any of these QBs really.

Right now i don't want any of these guys in Rd 1.
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The browns put the game against the Steelers in Mayfields arm instead of the power running game and look how that went.
He is overrated
 
slashsteel said:
I am actually ok with Ridder in 2. I think he has some to put together but I think the capability is there.
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He is technically mature and thats always a plus… he sometimes has some brain fart throws high and wide but hey thats not killer… i think he will probably be good
 
Litos said:
The browns put the game against the Steelers in Mayfields arm instead of the power running game and look how that went.
He is overrated
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But that's still within a limited passing game. If he was on a more wide open system similar to what he did in college where he could run some hurry up and throw lots of quick passes with occasional deep shots, he'd look a lot better. Part of why Murray has had success in Arizona is because he's in a stystem similar to what he did in college. If they switched places I think Baker would look better than Murray.

Plus the browns screwed up trading OBJ. Once he was gone, they had ZERO threats. Peoples-Jones was decent as long as OBJ was getting the attention. Once he was gone, just watch People Jones deep and let Jarvis Landry have his 12 catches for 60 yards and that offense was not hard to stop.

I think Baker could be good in the right offense.
 
madinsomniac said:
He is technically mature and thats always a plus… he sometimes has some brain fart throws high and wide but hey thats not killer… i think he will probably be good
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He checks off a lot of boxes. Just a little green around the edges. I would still bring in a free agent QB but wouldn't hurt to tweak that position. Draft the BPA of Oline/Dline. While attacking the Oline in free agency. C, QB and CB would be my first moves. I might bring back Chukes I don't think he breaks the bank. Still think there would be enough there to upgrade Turner.
 
I know eagle fans who are frustrated that they have 3 first round picks and there's no sure QB. In most years they'd easily trade up and get their pick of QBs. This year it's not worth it. I won't be surprised if the eagles trade out of at least 1 of the picks to get an extra 1 next year, go with HUrts for 2022 and then move up next year in a better QB draft if Hurts flames out. That's what they should do.
 
Like many here, we need trench help but it wouldn't surprise me for us to reach a little using a high rnd draft to get a second tier QB.




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