I think the defense would get a much bigger lift going on the field with the lead, or even having Seattle pinned at their own 2, than they were getting 3 points, and that's what Tomlin said he wanted to do, send the defense out on a positive note.
So here's how it's looking now...
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I think the defense would get a much bigger lift going on the field with the lead, or even having Seattle pinned at their own 2, than they were getting 3 points, and that's what Tomlin said he wanted to do, send the defense out on a positive note.
Oh man, you're taking what Tomlin says at his press conference at face value? Seriously? Tomlin's objective at his press conference is to give the media as little as possible, the bare minimum. Throw them a bone but don't give them anything they can throw back into your face the next time you make a tough decision and it seems to contradict a previous decision. He made that **** up about putting the defense out there on a positive note 15 minutes before the presser started.
I can't believe you are that naïve. The only takeaway from a Tomlin presser is the injury updates. But I don't blame Tomlin for that; it's what I would do. His job is to win football games not to give the media a full explanation of what he does and why.
So him saying, we don't live in our fears, doesn't give them anything to throw back in his face???? Hey, he said it, so until anyone can prove he made that **** up, that's the reason he went with the FG. Ok how about the SD game, almost the exact same thing, only it's win or lose, and he went for it, so for some unknown reason he had faith in his defense here. Get the TD and you force Seattle to drive down and score, hell all we needed was a yard for a first, at worst Seattle has the ball at their own two and their playcalling has to be a little safe there. All that tells me he actually believed a FG would help his defense there.
I disagree with your analysis completely.
Just to set the record straight on Tomlin sound bites:
1) saying "I don't live in my fears" related to Antonio Brown returning kicks and the risk of him getting injured doing so --- it had nothing to do with going for it on 4th down, not kicking field goals etc.
2) when he talked about the 4th down decision in Seattle, the thing that he said that really mattered was "either way, the defense was going to have to make a stop". The stuff about putting the defense out there with positive momentum was pure bullcrap and if you can't smell that from a mile away then I can't help you.
So, about the Seattle decision: it was 4th and goal from the Seattle 3. So I have no idea where you are getting "we needed a yard for a first". If we get a TD, we are up by either 1 point or 3 points (obviously we would go for 2 since the TD put us up by 1 point).
But there is still 3 minutes to go either way. The only way we leave that stadium with a win is IF THE DEFENSE MAKES A STOP. So Tomlin's decision had nothing to do with trusting the defense or not.
But by kicking the field goal, he did make the situation easier on the defense. They only needed to stop the Seahawks 3 times to force a punt because the Seahawks had the lead...if we had the lead, they would be in 4-down territory and would probably throw the ball 4 times rather than giving us two conservative runs up the middle and giving us a chance to make a 3rd down stop and force a punt.
Lastly, I've said all along that this was a 50-50 decision. I would have been good either way, and I think focusing on this decision misses the point completely. We lost the Seattle game because our secondary was shredded by Russell Wilson. He made it look incredibly easy and his WRs were so open it was embarrassing. Blame Tomlin (plus Butler and Colbert) for the lack of talent in our secondary and failure to adjust on the fly.
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He's used the "we don't live in our Fears" for a lot of different things. He threw out the phrase Unleash Hell in 2009, that got thrown in his face as well.
I totally agree we lost because our secondary was ***, and I'm not blaming this call for costing us the game, but I think it was a bad call and it hurt our chances more than helped. Yes the defense needs one more stop either way, but I'd rather send them out with the lead and the pressure on Seattle and make them play a little more wide open, than kicking the 3 and putting the pressure on us and making our D play a little more wide open. And seeing how the D was getting torched, I think you help the D more if you put them on the field with Seattle at their own goal line, as opposed to at the 20.
I totally agree we lost because our secondary was ***, and I'm not blaming this call for costing us the game, but I think it was a bad call and it hurt our chances more than helped. Yes the defense needs one more stop either way, but I'd rather send them out with the lead and the pressure on Seattle and make them play a little more wide open, than kicking the 3 and putting the pressure on us and making our D play a little more wide open. And seeing how the D was getting torched, I think you help the D more if you put them on the field with Seattle at their own goal line, as opposed to at the 20.
On one hand you basically ASSUME we get the touchdown (I'd rather be winning than losing!)
On the other hand, you think the defense could somehow be in an easier position than having to make one stop on 3rd and long after two runs designed to use up our timeouts. With all the success that Russell Wilson was having, you think being on their own 3 (down by either 1 point or 3 points with 3 minutes to go and 2 timeouts) would make them turtle up and take their ball and go home? Again, they would have 4 downs to use, all the time in the world and need only a field goal to tie or win.
We should have stopped them. The 3rd and longs killed us that game, not just that last drive. The fake FG miss was an eye opener for us and swung the momentum when we were playing very well even though the offense had yet to break out. The margin of error v good teams shrinks. We couldn't afford to be reckless there and give away points that ultimately cost us the game with that point swing.
The last drive of the game, hard to say we should have went for it because we ended up not being able to get the stop we needed to even get the ball back. Maybe we get a rematch with them in February. Gotta beat the Bungles on Sunday to get headed in that direction.
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Over many years, I have seen the Steelers give up third and long. I often wondered why opposing offenses didn't just take a knee on 1st and 2nd down, get in a third and long which the D seemed happy to give up a 1st on.
Let's just hope the Cheatriots beat the piss out of the Jets this weekend and we beat the Bungholes. That will go a long way on flushing this out.
The Steelers are definitely better than the Chiefs and Jets. But, this year, it might not matter. We shall see.
The Steelers are definitely better than the Chiefs and Jets. But, this year, it might not matter. We shall see.
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Yeah who would have thought, of all teams, the Chiefs would be the biggest beneficiaries of Ben's injury
PS - Cheats play the Texans this week.. Jets are playing the mighty Titans at home
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I had no problem with them going for it on the fake fg play. You have a chance to punch Seattle in the face early, you better do it. My problem is using a fake. If you're confident enough to be lining up and going for 2 all the time, line up with your best and go for it. Love going for it, hate the fake. Coaches are always trying to get cute with the trickery. Even Belicheat did some dumb *** trick **** on Sunday that turned around and bit him in the ***. Damn Mike Mularkey type bullshit.
it looks like they better win out.
Ummmmm, no. This has been beaten to death, but going 10-6 will get the Steelers into the playoffs in all likelihood.
Wow, you've watched more than one Colts game? Congratulations. Hasselbeck has beaten three 6-6 teams, two of which were road games. Tell me, oh intelligent one, what teams have Ben's wins "come from"? Your inane arguments make no sense.
Realistic my ***. You keep playing with your Tomlin doll, and I'll continue to show how stupid you look.
Of course you would. Never mind that Luck is 30th in the league in passer rating, right ahead of Nick Foles, at a horrendous 74.9 (his 90-year-old replacement's rating is nearly 15 points higher), and he's not playing whatsoever like a franchise quarterback this season, let's just blame everybody else around him...and by God you've watched 2 of their games this year, so you ought to know!
Gee, sounds like you might have an Andrew Luck doll in your room too. Don't hurt yourself.
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I love how you disappear for months, you should just stay away.
I never claimed that Luck was playing great football, but he has one of THE WORST OL in the league. Worse than the worst line Ben has played behind. They have no running game to speak of, their WR's are weak, and their D has more holes than swiss cheese. Since drafting Luck, the only reason they even make it INTO the playoffs is because they are undefeated within their own division, their very weak, pathetic division. When the GM goes out and signs not one, but TWO over the hill FA's to fill prominent roles on the team, when they claim to have Super Bowl aspirations, is absolutely pathetic. They don't draft well, they make horrible trades, their FA signings are a joke, their owner is in the news more for his actions and outlandish quotes...if you didn't know we were talking about the Colts, you'd claim I was talking about the Redskins or the Cowboys.
You obviously don't know much about the Colts (or really football in general) as I'm not "blaming everyone else". I'm simply pointing out how bad the team is, this has nothing to do with how badly Luck was playing. This is simply pointing out that they have done nothing to help him out either. The year they drafted luck, they drafted well. In the three years following that draft, it's a who's who of who?!?! Nothing has panned out, no one has stepped up. Their FA signings are the definition of journeymen or over the hill former stars.
The Colts are not a good team, the AFC south doesn't have ANY good teams, it's why the 5th seed will be so desirable for the Wild Card teams.
Two posts in a row and you try to use the same joke twice. I gave FOOTBALL answers as to why we lost the games we lost, the decisions that Tomlin made that ACTUALLY directly lead to a loss, my arguments make plenty of sense to anyone with an ounce of intelligence, something you clearly do not have. You're so negative and biased AGAINST Tomlin, you have no true arguments. You use insults and "I'm better than you" attitude to try and win arguments.
Yeah who would have thought, of all teams, the Chiefs would be the biggest beneficiaries of Ben's injury
PS - Cheats play the Texans this week.. Jets are playing the mighty Titans at home
Thought the Jets played the Cheats this weekend. They play them in week 16. Hopefully, Gronk will be back and the Cheats will still be playing for a bye. If that's the case, the Cheats should beat them even in NY. The Jets finish the season in Buffalo. That should be a challenge also. They should beat the **** this weekend and the Cowgirls next weekend.
That I can live with. No reason to use a fake FG with an end of quarter timeout. If Tomlin wanted to go for it he should have put the special teams unit on the field during the timeout and then ran the offense on with a play call ready to go. He has no problem going for 2 with the offense. The ensuing turnover still was a point swing that ultimately cost us the football game.
I didn't agree with the call of the fake at all should of just left the offense out there. But the Steelers recovered from that and had 21-14 lead when Ben was picked off. Not blaming Ben either just don't know how you can say one is bigger then the other??? Or any other plays that contributed to the loss such as the noncall on Sherman
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So, how does Ben perform against bad teams ? As he goes, We go, right ?
Quick look at his TD/INT count in wins v losses over the last 25 games
In our wins this season: 12TDs - 3 INTs
In our losses this season: 3TDs - 6 INTs
Last years numbers
In our wins: 25 TDs - 3 INTs
In our losses: 8TDs - 8 INTs
So, in your expert analysis, tell me how Tomlins coaching decisions effect giveaways/takeaways and precisely how his coaching affects Bens performance. Because to blame the losses on coaching then there has to be a correlating effect on Bens ****** play in these losses. Because the bottom line is, and the numbers confirm this, when Ben has a 1:1 TD/INT ratio or worse, its usually a loss. There was only one game last season where he threw 3 TDs 0 INTs and we still lost (TB)
So while you all want to harp on how Tomlin loses to ****** teams, youre completely ignorning the QB play against those same ****** teams. Ben often gets the pass on subpar performances while coach usually gets all the blame. ALL THE BLAME. Theres enough (blame) to go around..........dispense blame to those who've earned it.
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In those games with low TD's, high INTs, were the Steelers behind and basically in "desperation mode"? IE was Ben forced to chuck the ball deep and often to try to come back in games that better game planning or preparation could have had the Steelers well ahead from the get go?
As you know, when stuff starts to go bad, it goes worse quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those poor games were simply results of desperation where the team was trying to make something happen. In fairness, the same can be said of the coaching staff. When you're getting your *** kicked, for whatever reason - injury, poor play from your players whatever, you may be forced to change up your gameplan and go with something a bit more extreme (read desperate). Sometimes those gambles pay off, but more often they simply don't and disaster ensues.
So... I would suggest your GOING to see lots of ints and turnovers in losses, that's a big part of losses, but unfortunately they don't necessarily tell the whole story. But I appreciate what you're getting at. Here's the simple truth. Tomlin very regularly does a poor job of getting the team ready to play well "right out of the gate." Too often they start slowly and seem to need time to work up steam in order to learn an opponent's strengths and tendencies rather than simply dominating from the first snap. I would very much like to see other teams more regularly forced to adjust to the STEELERS rather than the other way around.
I understand it is not Tomlin's sole responsibility to create gameplans and script opening drives. However it IS his job to recognize the clear and ongoing deficiencies in this aspect of his team's performance. He doesn't do too well here. On the other hand, the Steelers DO seem to be peaking near the right time. That's not a bad thing. If they can get in the playoffs, I'd say the same thing I said for SB 40. Pittsburgh would be the best 6th seed that ever made the field.
As you know, when stuff starts to go bad, it goes worse quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those poor games were simply results of desperation where the team was trying to make something happen. In fairness, the same can be said of the coaching staff. When you're getting your *** kicked, for whatever reason - injury, poor play from your players whatever, you may be forced to change up your gameplan and go with something a bit more extreme (read desperate). Sometimes those gambles pay off, but more often they simply don't and disaster ensues.
So... I would suggest your GOING to see lots of ints and turnovers in losses, that's a big part of losses, but unfortunately they don't necessarily tell the whole story. But I appreciate what you're getting at. Here's the simple truth. Tomlin very regularly does a poor job of getting the team ready to play well "right out of the gate." Too often they start slowly and seem to need time to work up steam in order to learn an opponent's strengths and tendencies rather than simply dominating from the first snap. I would very much like to see other teams more regularly forced to adjust to the STEELERS rather than the other way around.
I understand it is not Tomlin's sole responsibility to create gameplans and script opening drives. However it IS his job to recognize the clear and ongoing deficiencies in this aspect of his team's performance. He doesn't do too well here. On the other hand, the Steelers DO seem to be peaking near the right time. That's not a bad thing. If they can get in the playoffs, I'd say the same thing I said for SB 40. Pittsburgh would be the best 6th seed that ever made the field.
The next two games are against, what, the No. 1 and No. 2 scoring defenses in the NFL. Should be interesting, especially if we can put up 30+ on them like we did to the Seachickens even when the Seachickens were allowed to maul our WR's all the way down the field.
We go from theoretically kicking a FG to go +3 points to giving up a touchdown after the turnover. That's a 10 point swing. We lost the game by 9. It absolutely factored into the final score no matter what happened after.
The Colts game was all business, no fake *** **** just football. I hope Tomlin learned his lesson about monkeying around with fake FG dumb *** plays that end up benefitting the other team.
I can't believe they lost the Seahags game but WTF, turnovers.
