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It's going to be tough but having the best QB does not guarantee a Super Bowl. What the Steelers are attempting to do with the running game is the best way to overcome that imo.
Steelers Hiring Arthur Smith as new OC
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And One of these guys might blossom in a new system. Who knows.
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My guess is the QB drama in Pittsburgh and Kenny Pickett made the Steeler OC job relatively undesirable. What up and coming OC or proven OC in their right mind wants to go in and potentially have to develop a QB that has been underwhelming to the point his own WR are taking to social media to voice support for his demotion?
These candidates have seen the tape with Pickett and to a lesser extent Najee underperforming for years. People love to make excuses for these guys but the numbers are the numbers. Pickett gets too much credit for his 4th quarter comebacks, comebacks mean you were losing up until that point?? Najee gets too much credit for the handfull of games he's actually looked the part of a good RB.
I see this as an upgrade for the run game but if you are Coordinating for an organization that refuses to even acknowledge who the best QB on the roster is, the point remains, as long as Pickett is in there it won't matter.
These candidates have seen the tape with Pickett and to a lesser extent Najee underperforming for years. People love to make excuses for these guys but the numbers are the numbers. Pickett gets too much credit for his 4th quarter comebacks, comebacks mean you were losing up until that point?? Najee gets too much credit for the handfull of games he's actually looked the part of a good RB.
I see this as an upgrade for the run game but if you are Coordinating for an organization that refuses to even acknowledge who the best QB on the roster is, the point remains, as long as Pickett is in there it won't matter.
No, but it really helps, having a bottom tier QB pretty much makes it impossible in this NFL.
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I'm not sure our guys are bottom tier especially playing within the system I think they're going for. It's tough for everyone. Ask Buffalo and Cincinnati or the Chargers.
Well Buffalo has won their division 4 straight seasons, and have won 5 playoff games in the past 4 seasons, made an AFCCG. Cincy has 5 playoff wins in the past 3 seasons, 2 AFCCG's and a Super Bowl, and they beat Mahomes.
I don't think I need to repeat this, but we have 0 playoff wins in 7 seasons and 3 playoff wins in the past 14 seasons.
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100% I wish that was the Steelers. But you and I both know from experience that if that was the Steelers, most of the people who are bitching and moaning about this hire (not you) would be complaining division championships and conference finals aren't good enough. At the end of the year only one team wins and that's extremely difficult.
Normally I would judge him mostly on his work as an OC, which was pretty good, but Smith also called the plays as the Falcons' head coach.
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Yeah I get that. Our only hope is that the play calling suffered due to him having too much on his plate with being a head coach.
Maybe, but that's what happens when you're supposed to be an elite franchise, we aren't Pirate fans, who just pray to finish above .500. Unfortunately that's exactly who we are turning into, finish around .500 and hope other teams help us get into the playoffs so we can get destroyed.
Dulac says Munchak not coming they are happy with Meyers. That is a really Bullshit mentality. Munchak is the only coach that Tomlin directly hired that I felt substantially elevated the group he coached. He had one guy who was out of box pro bowl player in Pouncey. Rest was pretty much the island of missfit toys. You do not need to fire Meyers to hire Munchak. Repurpose him. He is your employee.
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The greatest show on turf caused more teams to start passing more, so opposing defenses had to get lighter and faster to defend it. Now, we're seeing it swing back around to running on the lighter defenses so naturally defenses are now getting bigger to defend it. The Steelers have most of what it needs to have a very good running game, a few pieces on the offensive line, a good OL coach, and an offensive coordinator who can design a blocking scheme.
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I haven't seen Kenny fit a system yet. How do you know?
When they hired Omar it took forever. They got criticized for that as well. Who the hell knows anymore
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They have the running backs in Harris and Warren. This draft class is stacked with OTs to pair with Jones when he returns to the other side. Seamolu and Daniels are solid inside. Get Powers-Boothe, Van Pran, or Fraizer to replace Cole. I am reading Bebee from KSU or Barton from Duke can also play center. The TE room is solid with Washington, Friermuth, and Heyward. I haven't given up on Pickett. Not until I see him in a run-heavy, play-action pass offense that will open up the middle and two route options with a check-down. That is what Smith is going to run. It's what we are built for.
Agreed, never seen a QB have the OC/Offensive scheme used as an excuse as much as people do for Pickett. The OC and Scheme aren't telling him to miss wide open WR's, it isn't telling him not see wide open players, it isn't telling him to process the defense to slowly, it's not telling him to try to spin out of the pocket into pressure when there's a perfectly clean pocket to step up into.
This is the truth. Which is why I don’t mind this hire. I just don’t think they have the players to run a high flying offense. We are a few drafts and free agents away. This guy believes in using tight ends,used play action,obviously believed in a good running game,and supposedly is good at recognizing and developing the Oline. Which we have all been yelling for.
I am not sure about his play calling and feel for the game. A lot of Atlanta fans are laughing at the hire,which doesn’t thrill me.
but he might be the type of OC we need till we have some certainty of QB position.
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For me this hire is red flag. Instead of doing an extensive “soul” search where you really sit down and look at the sate of the game as a whole, state of the organization as a whole, and develop a process as to how to compete in this era, the Steelers just rolled over, farted, and went back to sleep. As a Steelers fan, we all know, we are guaranteed one thing, to be middle of the pack, in the “safe“ zone. You don't lose but you don‘t win either. The biggest red flag for me is the fact Arthur Smith is out of the Ken Whisenhunt school of offense which means the front office is of the belief the “system“ just needs a few tweaks and like magic the team is fixed!
The state of the game as such, if you look at the up coming Super Bowl, Pittsburgh still has a huge influence on the nfl and how the game is played to win. In the upcoming game both teams play their own version the “west coast offense“. The “WCO” was developed by Bill Walsh and Paul Brown, two of the greatest football coaches in the history of the nfl, as an offense that could defeat the Pittsburgh “Steel Curtain“ defense. The “Steel Curtain” was developed by a former player of Brown's, Chuck Noll and his assistant, Dan Radakovich. Radakovich was known as the ”father of linebacker u” as the time Noll hired him away from Joe Patero and Penn State. In fact, the defense, “the Steel Curtain”, or “Tampa two” as delveloped by Noll disciple Tony Dungy, they developed has had as much of an impact on the game of football as the WCO has had, the offense developed to attack it!!! Both teams in the upcoming SB both play their own versions of the Steel Curtain and the WCO.
The odd thing though is the Steelers themselves don’t really play any versions of either on offense or defense. In fact, when they changed coaches from Noll to Cowher they totally changed their idea as to how football should be played. The Cowher era has produced 4 superbowls two Lombardi’s to Noll’s 4 lombardi’s, but has taken an extra decade to do it. Though they use elements of both, it pretty obvious they don’t want a connection to the past. On offense the Steelers offense is more related to the “Air Coryell” on defense it’s more of 3-4 “Oklahoma” defense with elements of cover 2 or split safeties. Though I wouldn’t have hired Smith, I would have fired Tomlin a long ago. But now that they have hired Smith, it’s Go Steelers!! But do I expect more than .500 football? No I don’t… i believe we’ll be right back here next year arguing over should we draft another offensive lineman and what out of work middle linebacker should we sign off the free agent list because again, we couldn’t stop the run!
The state of the game as such, if you look at the up coming Super Bowl, Pittsburgh still has a huge influence on the nfl and how the game is played to win. In the upcoming game both teams play their own version the “west coast offense“. The “WCO” was developed by Bill Walsh and Paul Brown, two of the greatest football coaches in the history of the nfl, as an offense that could defeat the Pittsburgh “Steel Curtain“ defense. The “Steel Curtain” was developed by a former player of Brown's, Chuck Noll and his assistant, Dan Radakovich. Radakovich was known as the ”father of linebacker u” as the time Noll hired him away from Joe Patero and Penn State. In fact, the defense, “the Steel Curtain”, or “Tampa two” as delveloped by Noll disciple Tony Dungy, they developed has had as much of an impact on the game of football as the WCO has had, the offense developed to attack it!!! Both teams in the upcoming SB both play their own versions of the Steel Curtain and the WCO.
The odd thing though is the Steelers themselves don’t really play any versions of either on offense or defense. In fact, when they changed coaches from Noll to Cowher they totally changed their idea as to how football should be played. The Cowher era has produced 4 superbowls two Lombardi’s to Noll’s 4 lombardi’s, but has taken an extra decade to do it. Though they use elements of both, it pretty obvious they don’t want a connection to the past. On offense the Steelers offense is more related to the “Air Coryell” on defense it’s more of 3-4 “Oklahoma” defense with elements of cover 2 or split safeties. Though I wouldn’t have hired Smith, I would have fired Tomlin a long ago. But now that they have hired Smith, it’s Go Steelers!! But do I expect more than .500 football? No I don’t… i believe we’ll be right back here next year arguing over should we draft another offensive lineman and what out of work middle linebacker should we sign off the free agent list because again, we couldn’t stop the run!
So we'll just wallow in mediocrity again for years, pick around #20 and never get a QB.
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No way Shades has a run like that in him here with the culture he’s built
good lawd if he did the nut huggers would find a way to spin it like it was the 70s all over again.
And alot of fans are calling for McDermott to be fired, and fans in Pittsburgh get crushed for even suggesting that about Tomlin.
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It does not "guarantee" it but in case you missed it, KC is doing pretty OK having Mahomes at QB. I haven't seen a running game trip him up yet.
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But less and less these days; I have never seen our fan base so low about its head coach in my life. Never.
Best we can hope for is to be a little better, win a playoff game, and not suck.
The Chefs, Bills, Bungles, Ratbirds, Jags, and Texans are going to be better than us for a long time to come.
The Chefs, Bills, Bungles, Ratbirds, Jags, and Texans are going to be better than us for a long time to come.