Taliban 2, USA 1

[Steeltime]

All you need to know - seriously, the ONLY thing you need to know - about Tibilo, Floggy and 21IQ is this:

The three have not offered a single criticism of China about the Chinese flu, have called Trump a failure because the flu, say not a single ******* word of criticism of the Beijing Xiden, the Taliban Whipping Boy's, blundering ****-up relative to the Chinese flu, the economy, and Afghanistan, and laud the Beijing Lackey's work in Afghanistan. Seriously, think about those true points regarding those three and their brain-dead sheeple like-thinkers in the general public and 95% of the worthless media.

If any of you three bootlicking quisling (D)imbo ***** lackeys dispute what I wrote, prove it.

 

[Steelworth]

It began as "mostly peaceful" to "didn't leave much".

Unreal.

 

[Steelworth]

All you need to know - seriously, the ONLY thing you need to know - about Tibilo, Floggy and 21IQ is this:

The three have not offered a single criticism of China about the Chinese flu, have called Trump a failure because the flu, say not a single ******* word of criticism of the Beijing Xiden, the Taliban Whipping Boy's, blundering ****-up relative to the Chinese flu, the economy, and Afghanistan, and laud the Beijing Lackey's work in Afghanistan. Seriously, think about those true points regarding those three and their brain-dead sheeple like-thinkers in the general public and 95% of the worthless media.

If any of you three bootlicking quisling (D)imbo ***** lackeys dispute what I wrote, prove it.

They're all freeloading trolls with one objective - rile people up. They won't touch certain topics or debate in any logical way. They have absolutely nothing to offer other than continuing to stoke fires. Simple as that.

 

[Confluence]

They're all freeloading trolls with one objective - rile people up. They won't touch certain topics or debate in any logical way. They have absolutely nothing to offer other than continuing to stoke fires. Simple as that.

Unfortunately, Floggy has been learning how to respond in posts like Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, and so has gone from engaged once in a while to mindless response after mindless response. There never was actual hope with 21, moronic since inception.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Even when we were there the Taliban was killing people, our presence was merely propping up the inept Afghan government.

We actually didn't leave much of our firearms and equipment. We had few troops there, so there wasn't much left and what we did leave we disabled.
The US equipment the Taliban is acquiring was meant for the Afghan forces. Don't think we could take that unless we were going to admit our military
training of Afghan forces was a big failure.

You must be retarded. They are wearing our gear, donning our weapons, riding in our equipment.

 

[Steelr4evr]

You must be retarded. They are wearing our gear, donning our weapons, riding in our equipment.

Yeah 90 billion in weapons. I guess he missed the list of **** they now have. What a dingbat.

 

[Sarge]

You must be retarded. They are wearing our gear, donning our weapons, riding in our equipment.

He is not entirely incorrect. The weapons, uniforms and equipment the Taliban has was seized from the so-called Afghan Army as they cut and ran. The US equipped the Afghan Army. Do you think we equipped them with Chinese stuff? Were we supposed to take all that equipment back as we left?

Did the US leave stuff behind? Yes absolutely. Was it thousands of weapons? No. As I said in a previous post, if you believe the military left behind weapons and NVG's, you've never participated in "hands across America" because some idiot left his weapon in the ******* and it couldn't be found for four days. The US does not leave sensitive items behind, especially weapons and NVG's.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

He is not entirely incorrect. The weapons, uniforms and equipment the Taliban has was seized from the so-called Afghan Army as they cut and ran. The US equipped the Afghan Army. Do you think we equipped them with Chinese stuff? Were we supposed to take all that equipment back as we left?

Did the US leave stuff behind? Yes absolutely. Was it thousands of weapons? No. As I said in a previous post, if you believe the military left behind weapons and NVG's, you've never participated in "hands across America" because some idiot left his weapon in the ******* and it couldn't be found for four days. The US does not leave sensitive items behind, especially weapons and NVG's.

Get it. But did they get a huge upgrade in number and quality?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

He is not entirely incorrect. The weapons, uniforms and equipment the Taliban has was seized from the so-called Afghan Army as they cut and ran. The US equipped the Afghan Army. Do you think we equipped them with Chinese stuff? Were we supposed to take all that equipment back as we left?

Did the US leave stuff behind? Yes absolutely. Was it thousands of weapons? No. As I said in a previous post, if you believe the military left behind weapons and NVG's, you've never participated in "hands across America" because some idiot left his weapon in the ******* and it couldn't be found for four days. The US does not leave sensitive items behind, especially weapons and NVG's.

That's an interesting point Sarge, and I agree.. But having been there, does it surprise you that the Afgan Army caved so quickly? If not, then why was it a surprise to the White House?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

War crimes? This is pretty scary. See the tweets and investigative reporting inside.

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[Steeltime]

Hey, remember that supposed drone strike that killed some member of ISIS-K or something 24 hours after the suicide bombing that killed 13 American troops and hundreds of Aghanis? Funny how not a single word - not a syllable, a peep - has come from the bumbling, incompetent imbecile liars in the White House since, and not a scintilla of evidence about that claimed drone strike. Huh. Almost as if they made it up, or perhaps killed the wrong guy and want the story to just go away.

"No way the geniuses in this military and this incredible military leadership, under General Woke and Colonel Equity, would kill the wrong person in a drone strike and then lie about it! No freaking way!!"

Uhhh, sorry. They did exactly that when they killed a longtime American ally, an engineer who helped the Americans and Afghanis for the past 15 years.

NY Times: The man killed in a drone strike was working with a US aid group

One of the things we were all told last month during the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan was that we didn’t need to be worried that leaving would compromise our counterterrorism efforts i...

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[Steeltime]

So let me sum up a few key points, which at this juncture seem unrefuted, about the Dementia-in-Chief and Afghanistan:

• He ordered Bagram air base - 30 miles north of Kabul, with a huge runway capable of landing the largest military planes and with a much more defensible perimeter and with defensive capabilities already in place - abandoned before Americans were brought out.
• He handed over Kabul to the Taliban.
• He handed over security outside Karzai International airport to the Taliban.
• His military leaders refused to authorize a drone strike on the suicide bomber.
• The suicide bomber then detonates a massive explosion, killing 13 American soldiers and sailors and hundreds of Aghani citizens.
• He left hundreds of Americans behind, in the hands of the Taliban.
• His State Department has actively interfered with efforts to get Americans out of the country in an effort to appease murderous crazy ********.
• No, not Antifa, the other murderous crazy ********, the Taliban.
• He then claims the air force used a drone to kill a key ISIS-K bomb specialist involved in the bombing just 24 hours later.
• He refused to name that mystery man.
• He has not provided a single whit of evidence in support of the claim.
• But three days after the bombing at Karzai International, his military droned an American ally who had worked with the Americans for 15 years.
• Where that drone strike also apparently killed the guy's family members - kids.
• He had the idiot Mark Milley claim that the drone strike brought about "secondary explosions," i.e., the guy was carrying bombs or bomb-making material.
• Photos show that claim is a lie.
• So the Potato abandoned Americans, interferes with Americans getting out of that place, armed the Taliban, will not provide any evidence of the mythical drone strike on the ISIS guy involved in the attack that killed Americans, will not even identify who the hell was supposedly killed, but that same defense leadership authorized killing a civilian who was an ally and numerous children.

The response by Tibilo, 21IQ and Floggy?

 

[hamster]

The response by Tibilo, 21IQ and Floggy?

Maybe because they have been exposed as usefull idiots?

 

[JMM]

One couldn't write fiction that is more ridiculous, inept and futile than our current reality.

 

[Sarge]

That's an interesting point Sarge, and I agree.. But having been there, does it surprise you that the Afgan Army caved so quickly? If not, then why was it a surprise to the White House?

No, I'm not surprised, as I'm sure anyone that served there isn't surprised. I mean, not REALLY surprised anyway.

The White House was likely surprised (if they actually really were) because we have senior commanders and senior leaders that are yes men, telling their seniors only what they want to hear. Seniors too worried about their annual rating and promotions to tell the hard truth because it could adversely affect their career progression. So what we are left with is this mess, this fiasco, and everyone kind of shrugging and acting like this was all unexpected and there is no accountability to ensure it doesn't happen again. They'll just go back to searching for their white supremacist boogeyman and everything will be forgotten.

 

[Sarge]

Get it. But did they get a huge upgrade in number and quality?

No doubt, but context is important. People blaming Biden for "leaving that stuff behind" or "Biden armed the Taliban" when that is not what happened in regards to the weapons, NVG's, aircraft and uniforms. Vehicles is debatable. Plenty to blame on Biden, I just hate seeing **** mischaracterized.

 

[Steelr4evr]

One couldn't write fiction that is more ridiculous, inept and futile than our current reality.

They really couldn't. They'd say it's to far fetched when it comes the the United States. Which are anything but united. You have maybe 20% of the country relentlessly trying to subject and impose its will on the other 80%. A great many in the democrat party are not leftist. They're old school that don't realize what their party has become.

 

[Confluence]

You could probably just cut out the internecine American bullshit and write that over the past 6 weeks The Taliban has gone from a notable concern in isolated regions, with some arms, to the best armed terrorist organization in the world, now empowered as the legitimate governing power of an entire country, armed and legitimized by US policy and actions.

 

[SojournerSteel]

You could probably just cut out the internecine American bullshit and write that over the past 6 weeks The Taliban has gone from a notable concern in isolated regions, with some arms, to the best armed terrorist organization in the world, now empowered as the legitimate governing power of an entire country, armed and legitimized by US policy and actions.

and add "because this is the outcome TPTB wanted."

 

[madinsomniac]

I get that the Taliban getting all of those weapons angers a lot of people… but at least this long standing policy should comfort you a bit… since the first world war our policy is to not use state of the art weapons in the field unless necessary…. We literally use weaponry that is just a notch above or equal to what is already saturated worldwide… there is nothing that we would have goven to the afghans tgat we don’t have a counter to and a better upgrade waiting in the wings….

doesnt make it right or great, but that’s literally why we have that inane policy… we anticipate losing weapons to the enemy… we plan for fuckups

 

[Steelr4evr]

I get that the Taliban getting all of those weapons angers a lot of people… but at least this long standing policy should comfort you a bit… since the first world war our policy is to not use state of the art weapons in the field unless necessary…. We literally use weaponry that is just a notch above or equal to what is already saturated worldwide… there is nothing that we would have goven to the afghans tgat we don’t have a counter to and a better upgrade waiting in the wings….

doesnt make it right or great, but that’s literally why we have that inane policy… we anticipate losing weapons to the enemy… we plan for fuckups

The mere fact that they would love to disarm every American of semi automatic rifles and hand guns is what grieves me the most.

They have over 300,000 rifles and machine guns of ours. We literally armed the shitbags we've been fighting for 20 years. Didn't destroy ****. All i hear is them minimizing everything.


They can all burn in hell.

 

[wig]

I think Sarge's point, if I understand it correctly, is that they didn't "leave weapons to the Taliban" per se. They (We, I guess) supplied the Afghan military with weapons and equipment, but like any gift, once you give it, it aint yours no more. Those were THEIR weapons and gear.

One can argue, I suppose, that we didn't have the authority to attempt to destroy or confiscate the very equipment and weaponry the Afghan military would desperately need to cover our surrender and retreat. Sadly, the Afghan army could see the writing on the wall and they didn't feel they owed the U.S. military enough loyalty to hang behind and be slowly, methodically murdered just to cover US while we snuck out the back door.

For me, it isn't the weapons, although at this point, Joe's going to have a hard time convincing any undecideds that he has any right whatsoever to disarm the American people when he indirectly lead to the massive arming of an enemy force. For me, it's the fact that he knowingly, willingly left behind hundreds of Americans and thousands of Afghan supporters who are in grave danger.

While the WH makes hay talking about how they are "negotiating" with the Taliban to free our prisoners, they are doing everything in their power to obfuscate the fact that they are absolutely involved in hostage negotiations with known terrorists.

If we had any kind of "professional" relationship with the ******* Taliban, we'd tell them, YOU go out, find THIS list of Americans and YOU put them on a plane by Saturday, unharmed and under YOUR direct protection." Once we get every single ******* American home, THEN we can talk about professional relationships and possible diplomatic opportunities. (And that doesn't do ****-all for the thousands of Afghans left to be tortured and killed because they were stupid enough to aid the Americans over the last 20 years.

Basically, Joe has told ANY foreign country and its citizens to NEVER cooperate with the U.S. or its military because we WILL cut and run and leave you holding the bag.

 

[Badcat]

He is not entirely incorrect. The weapons, uniforms and equipment the Taliban has was seized from the so-called Afghan Army as they cut and ran. The US equipped the Afghan Army. Do you think we equipped them with Chinese stuff? Were we supposed to take all that equipment back as we left?

Did the US leave stuff behind? Yes absolutely. Was it thousands of weapons? No. As I said in a previous post, if you believe the military left behind weapons and NVG's, you've never participated in "hands across America" because some idiot left his weapon in the ******* and it couldn't be found for four days. The US does not leave sensitive items behind, especially weapons and NVG's.

Exactly, In all of the videos shown on the internet of the chaches, not one ******* PT belt to be seen.

 

[SanDiegoSteeler]

Sarge and Badcat... fake news or?

 

[Badcat]

Sarge and Badcat... fake news or?

There is a lot to digest there and to be honest, what she is saying is feasible and her assessment of Pakistan and their involvement is spot on but who the Hell knows if it's true. This is no longer the US Government or US Foreign policy, but "The Establishment" calling the shots, and Lord knows what the plan is for that region.

I'll tell you this...we just flooded our streets with non-registered Afghanis and our Southern border is flooding in undocumented, unvetted, people and we're even bussing/Flying them all over the country. Terrorism is now a very real possibility in our communities.