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The Coronavirus thread

Badcat said:
This **** is insane...NY issues a DNR order. I'm sure every heart attack death will be attributed to this Corona virus.

https://wreg.com/news/coronavirus/h...scitate-situations-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/
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“There’s been these rumors that there were these blanket do-not-resuscitate orders. Hospitals that we’ve talked to said that that’s not necessarily the case but they are having conversations with families early on,” he said. “All of that is being discussed much earlier.”
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Like you would and always have with any very elderly patient who becomes seriously ill without much chance of recovery. Do you put them on a ventilator? Shock their heart back on? No, you do not. I posted about this weeks ago. The idea that it's something unique to coronavirus is ridiculous.

Fear-mongering.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Trog you know I have butted heads with some on this as well, BUT, if it is true that countrywide the virus is much more widespread than we guessed, it would be evidence of two things.
One we have acquired more herd immunity progress than previously thought and two it will not overwhelm our system as quickly as was feared. As long as we have enough PPE coming for our healthcare workers and maintain social distancing and more important go hygienic practices we should not see a big spike in cases that overwhelm us. That was my biggest fear all along and as long as it is in hand we need to start opening everywhere we can safely. Safely doesn't mean with zero risk as that is impossible but with reasonable mitigation of risks while allowing for the maximum freedoms possible.
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Herd immunity is wishful thinking as the low end means at least 40% of the population needs to have been infected, and more likely means 80%+ infected. It doesn’t suggest the healthcare system wouldn't be overwhelmed. Again, if it’s more widespread than thought, it’s more contagious than thought. Left unmitigated, we’d see a proportionate increase in hospitalizations.
 
Troglodyte said:
Herd immunity is wishful thinking as the low end means at least 40% of the population needs to have been infected, and more likely means 80%+ infected. It doesn’t suggest the healthcare system wouldn't be overwhelmed. Again, if it’s more widespread than thought, it’s more contagious than thought. Left unmitigated, we’d see a proportionate increase in hospitalizations.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/cor...EP7dLGpJAsiQE2yOVV0jMuLQf1tFCExYBLqbgNr-fBuNU

The Covid-19 outbreak in Los Angeles County could be up to 55 times bigger than the number of confirmed cases, according to new research from the University of Southern California and the LA Department of Public Health.
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still waiting on your analytical detailed date of when the country should re-open.
 
Troglodyte said:
Left unmitigated, we’d see a proportionate increase in hospitalizations.
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Who, exactly, has suggested no mitigation at all? Who? Nobody, that's who.

The elderly and those with pre-existing morbidities that trigger risk (diabetes, hypertension, immuno-suppressed) should be quarantined; the healthy should not.

And for at least the third time in this thread, we ask - how much longer? Until when do you say the lockdown should continue?

After answering that, then tell us how much permanent economic harm that approach causes and how many it kills. If you cannot answer all of those questions, then you are simply propagating a solution that is less tested and known than the Hydroxychloroquine+ so many have dismissed.
 
Flog's ideal society:

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Stoney said:
Please explain how increased testing or tracking will prevent infections. All that would do is who is tell us who is already infected and how they possibly got infected. If they've come into contact with the virus in the past 14 days, then they haven't been quarantined, so by the time they test positive they would/could have infected too many people to trace. its all nonsense.
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Well, health officials disagree and they’re hiring people to do it.

If you’ve been social distancing, it shouldn’t be hard at all to trace.
 
scraps said:
Hot mic catches reporters discussing the actual low mortality rates and saying 'so it was all a hoax?'


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, what do we have here? <a href="https://t.co/6HKGEsRDSK">pic.twitter.com/6HKGEsRDSK</a></p>— ✭ Wayne Dupree �� (@WayneDupreeShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1252428599686131714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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sounds like it was a tongue-in-cheek comment where he was trying to be a smartass. i wouldn't take it seriously.
 
Troglodyte said:
Herd immunity is wishful thinking as the low end means at least 40% of the population needs to have been infected, and more likely means 80%+ infected. It doesn’t suggest the healthcare system wouldn't be overwhelmed. Again, if it’s more widespread than thought, it’s more contagious than thought. Left unmitigated, we’d see a proportionate increase in hospitalizations.
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I would agree, but that is not what we are seeing in the numbers so far. As widespread as it appears to be in parts of CA the hospitals system should have been overrun if true. They are not, so either the testing was flawed, which is possible, or it has a lower hospitalization rate than we thought and the problems in NYC and Detroit stem from the sheer volume of cases in a very densely populated area with poverty issue and bad air quality. While we are seeing some deaths and severe cases in all age groups it is not widespread with severity until you hit the higher age brackets and those with comorbidities. My only fear with more cases personally is the resulting exposure of healthcare workers who seem to get this and get it worse than other segments of the population possibly due to intensity and frequency of exposure. Aside from that we should be able to get things going in a lot of the US with minimal increased risk.
 
Steeltime said:
Who, exactly, has suggested no mitigation at all? Who? Nobody, that's who.

The elderly and those with pre-existing morbidities that trigger risk (diabetes, hypertension, immuno-suppressed) should be quarantined.
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Fine with me if it works. But we’ve seen outbreaks in nursing homes and prisons.
 
Troglodyte said:
55 times? That’s leaves us about 100 million shy of the low end of herd immunity. Again, wishful thinking.

It don’t decide when to reopen, I’m siding with the experts, not the morons playing army at the Capitol buildings.
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You don't have to hit total herd immunity for it to slow down the spread even at lower percentages. The higher you go obviously the better but as you increase even a little you put roadblocks in the way of the spread. Have you not watched one of the videos using bouncing dots as an analogy. We don't need to reach full herd immunity to get open with this disease behaving as it is in most places now. The very arguments we used for the lockdown now work against it continuing with the data available.
 
Troglodyte said:
Fine with me if it works. But we’ve seen outbreaks in nursing homes and prisons.
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Government thinking 101: Lock up the elderly, free the prisoners.

And you wonder why I don't trust government to know which part of an envelope to lick??
 
oneforthebus said:
Like you would and always have with any very elderly patient who becomes seriously ill without much chance of recovery. Do you put them on a ventilator? Shock their heart back on? No, you do not.
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Well that depends. If you are this woman, you resuscitate ... of course

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Troglodyte said:
55 times? That’s leaves us about 100 million shy of the low end of herd immunity. Again, wishful thinking.

It don’t decide when to reopen, I’m siding with the experts, not the morons playing army at the Capitol buildings.
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my goodness. what an amazing cop-out - even for you. you'll side with "experts".

So, for instance, you'll take the word of one Greta (who calls herself an expert) about climate change than what you can see, learn and know yourself.

holy ****, flog. and you wonder why you get beat down in here with such reckless abandon.
 
rodney will be along soon to take his swings at flog
 
Superman said:
rodney will be along soon to take his swings at flog
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Well he's dead, so that is ONE fight Trog will win.

The only fight Trog will ever win I daresay.
 
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