I didn't see the part where they banned Hungarian douchebags.
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I didn't see the part where they banned Hungarian douchebags.
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So, other countries have driven infection rates to near zero, but then they open up and bam! New cases. One thing that Trump is absolutely right about...we are testing more per capita than every other country now. So who's to say cases aren't rising more than we know in other countries too.
We can slow this with mask wearing but we can't stop it. What's the solution TIbs? Full vaccination will take years if it ever happens. What should Trump do? Stay at home orders forever? Do you think a national mask mandate is enforceable or will it just cause people to want to rebel even more?
We can slow this with mask wearing but we can't stop it. What's the solution TIbs? Full vaccination will take years if it ever happens. What should Trump do? Stay at home orders forever? Do you think a national mask mandate is enforceable or will it just cause people to want to rebel even more?
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If you want actual answers from Tibs you are barking up the wrong tree. He comes in, slings his blunt tipped arrows and ducks out before he actually has to answer any questions. It's what he has devolved into these days.
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Our national positivity rate is only slightly above many of the "success stories" and we are testing way more per capita than all of them. So while I'm not a fan of many dumb things Trump says I'm not sure what exactly he could be doing (beyond encouraging people to wear masks, which he has at least started to do in lukewarm fashion).
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison
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First and foremost, the disinformation campaign being waged by Trump and his associates has to stop. He's created widespread confusion and chaos with his anti-Science messaging. He regularly contradicts his own agencies, just adds fuel to the fire of distrust that's prevelant with the Trump base. And yes, what seems to have flattened the curve significantly in the EU has been mandatory mask wearing in public, in shops and on public transport, the use of santizer and disinfectant, readily available everywhere for free, and the public's willingness to abide by social distancing norms. This is a world-wide pandemic, with ebbs and flows. The struggle is real and will continue until a vaccine can be implemented. We are in for the long haul, and the sooner people can wrap their heads around it, the better the chances of dealing with it effectively. Businesses and schools need to take the utmost precaution while somehow continuing to function.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump to Fox: “I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in (mandate) No, and I don’t agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears ... and as you know masks cause problems, too. With that being said, I’m a believer in masks.” <a href="https://t.co/p77NcnjcP4">https://t.co/p77NcnjcP4</a></p>— Manu Raju (@mkraju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1285185232820473858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
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I think the problem here is that we are a free society. We don't want an overbearing government forcing things on us. We don't want to be tracked and traced and forced to stay in our homes.
While those virtues aren't ideal for controlling a pandemic, being the most free and prosperous nation on earth has probably saved many more lives than it has cost. I know that's no comfort to someone who lost grandma recently, but it is likely the big picture.
That said, wear your mask everyone! Let's slow these transmission rates to the extent possible.
While those virtues aren't ideal for controlling a pandemic, being the most free and prosperous nation on earth has probably saved many more lives than it has cost. I know that's no comfort to someone who lost grandma recently, but it is likely the big picture.
That said, wear your mask everyone! Let's slow these transmission rates to the extent possible.
Here's the truth about the incompetent Fauci.
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/07/19/is-anthony-fauci-just-a-partisan-hack-or-is-he-actually-an-idiot/
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/07/19/is-anthony-fauci-just-a-partisan-hack-or-is-he-actually-an-idiot/
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This should instill loads of trust and confidence in the notion that Trump is on top of this.
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“President Trump, aides say, no longer attends coronavirus task force meetings because he does not have time.” Lives are on the line, the economy is teetering on the brink, schools can’t reopen, and yet Trump “doesn’t have time.” <a href="https://t.co/QNXNNkEkNx">https://t.co/QNXNNkEkNx</a></p>— Michael Carpenter (@mikercarpenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikercarpenter/status/1285202147185963014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
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Well actually it does. I'm glad he's leaving it to the more qualified people.
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I hear ya, OFTB.
Not even close to a relevant analogy Tibs. This is a virus that kills less than 1% of people who get infected. Let's stop acting like catching it is an automatic death sentence.
I want to slow the spread so hospitals are not overwhelmed. But somehow in the minds of many it's gone from slowing the spread and flattening the curve to avoiding any new infections. That is not possible. In the US or anywhere else.
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It's interesting that the places where positive rates are highest right now, in terms of states and countries, are largely places that did not get hit hardest early on. Lowest rates in places that got crushed early and hard.
It's almost like some degree of immunity in the population slows the spread. Nah, that would make too much logical sense.
It's almost like some degree of immunity in the population slows the spread. Nah, that would make too much logical sense.
Yes, we should trust the EXPERTS like Dr. Fauci...he's been brilliant...riiigghhht? He has waffled on every single thing. But this...this is his most epic of epic stupid quotes, from April:
Think about the epic amount of stupid involved with this and his prior directives...
-- Normal Americans should maintain 6 feet of distance and wear masks (after this whack said wearing masks was utterly ineffective)
-- But those dating should be able to so long as THEY are willing to assume risk..."If you wanna go throw down with some ho, that's up to you."
-- He goes further. You may be willing to assume personal risk, but it's also ok to risk the wellbeing of OTHERS if you need to get laid.
-- However...Americans who want to assume risks by going to church or seeing their hairdresser...Fauci says that is unsafe...
Dr. Fauci - it's ok to jump on Bumble and find a one night, ****-and-go during COVID.
Yeah, I've been done listening to this tool for some time. Michael Avenatti Fauci lost credibility quite some time back.
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Both Bill Nye and this lady are frauds because mask wearing is not about how much air or how many virus particles get through. It's about how far and wide droplets of saliva and mucus spread. But interestingly enough for people who say they can't breathe with a cloth mask on and CO2 can't get out, I guess this lady just disproved that theory.
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I think his point there was you are risking spreading it to each other but not risking spreading it to a large number of people who would then exponentially spread it to others.
Bill Nye is a fraud because he's a lying libtard.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci said Americans could meet people they matched with on dating apps if they were "willing to take a risk" with their health and the wellbeing of others."
You think it's ok for people to hook up, ****, contract COVID, and that won't affect the spread of the virus?? It won't lead to "large" spread so it's ok?
We don't know exactly how it's spread as we've been told all along...
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I wear a mask in stores and stuff. It's mandatory around here most places to get service anyway. I do find it silly that if you go into a restaurant you have to have a mask on, but once you are seated, you can take it off. Guess this virus takes dinner breaks too.
Just too much conflicting stuff for people not to question it. I mean, can't go to church, but I can riot with thousands of my closest friends. Can't go to the polls to vote, but I can hang out in the cesspool that is walmart with as many people and as long as I like. Add to that all the dishonest **** the government has pulled on it's people in recent years and you expect people are going trust anything that is coming from the government? Even when it is from health experts, who, coincidentally, continue to put out conflicting information almost daily. You want Americans to trust those people? I'd rather eat the *** out of a dead skunk.
Just too much conflicting stuff for people not to question it. I mean, can't go to church, but I can riot with thousands of my closest friends. Can't go to the polls to vote, but I can hang out in the cesspool that is walmart with as many people and as long as I like. Add to that all the dishonest **** the government has pulled on it's people in recent years and you expect people are going trust anything that is coming from the government? Even when it is from health experts, who, coincidentally, continue to put out conflicting information almost daily. You want Americans to trust those people? I'd rather eat the *** out of a dead skunk.
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What he actually said:
"You know, that's tough. Because it's what's called relative risk," Dr. Fauci said. "If you really feel that you don't want to have any part of this virus, will you maintain six feet away, wear a mask, do all the things that we talk about in the guidelines?
If you're willing to take a risk—and you know, everybody has their own tolerance for risks—you could figure out if you want to meet somebody. And it depends on the level of the interaction that you want to have.
If you're looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that's your choice regarding a risk.
If everybody transmitted would only transmit when they're sick, that would be much easier," Dr. Fauci said. "But what we're seeing... is that there's a considerable amount of transmission from an asymptomatic person."
I was 100% with you till this part. Yer on your own.
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I agree the lack of consistency is a huge problem.
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I just illustrating how very little I trust our government.
You quoted the important phrase yourself...in BOLD above.
Fauci said people should weigh the pros and cons of hooking up with the risk of becoming infected and consider that they could be asymptomatic carriers. - https://www.insider.com/fauci-hooking-up-with-asymptomatic-tinder-match-doable-but-risky-2020-4
You said "I think his point there was you are risking spreading it to each other but not risking spreading it to a large number of people who would then exponentially spread it to others."
If someone meets for a hook up, contracts COVID, does that form of COVID not spread to others mysteriously? Is this form of "Hook Up COVID" not contagious? Of course it is. He said, you risk becoming an asymptomatic carrier. Thus a spreader.
Fauci: ""Even though there's a lot of asymptomatic infections, that's one of the things that's really troublesome. That if everybody transmitted would only transmit when they're sick, that would be much easier," Fauci said. "But what we're seeing, which becomes really problematic, is that there's a considerable amount of transmission from an asymptomatic person. And we've got well-documented now, you know, that situation on the nuclear carrier, the Roosevelt, USS Roosevelt, where hundreds of sailors have gotten infected from people that were not sick. That's tough.""
Regardless, we should be able to agree that his suggestion that hookups in April was fine but attending church or a hair salon was not is absolutely, utterly inconsistent.
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