Things Mike Tomlin can do to fix the Steelers next season ( besides resign 🤣 )

[diver]

Ha. Right. I guess if you got a bunch of high IQ guys you could pull it off. Scouting teams practices unknowingly helps that a lot too.

I think on some level Tomlin has tried to be multidimensional with the Steelers on offense and defense, like what they were doing in NE. Problem is the Patriots were outstanding at certain things. They had a QB who just didn't make mistakes. Their defense was always assignment sound. When that's the case, you can do different things. The Steelers have not had those certain outstanding elements. So they have been multidimensional average, which isn't good. Maybe they should have focused on doing a few things great.

They also had Ernie Adams. But I digress.

 

[NoKap#7]

WTF gets a brown jacket? is he going to be a janitor or some ****?

I'll assume you mean gold jacket for a HOF induction, but ... not even you are that naively ignorant.

Let's just say HOF jacket and he's getting one.

 

[TimesAreChanged]

If that was a legit reason I would feel the need to go on further with the conversation. I guess you'll just be scoffing at his brown jacket when he gets one because it's a tell tale sign of someone who just stayed out of the way his whole career.

You're not going to get people who openly make DEI and hip-hop jokes about the Head Coach to change their mind about everything.

Baltimore ran jumbo sets all night and the D never adjusted. That's also Tomlins fault. Just ask them

 

[Superman]

You're not going to get people who openly make DEI and hip-hop jokes about the Head Coach to change their mind about everything.

Baltimore ran jumbo sets all night and the D never adjusted. That's also Tomlins fault. Just ask them

you're right. Tomlin was waiting for Baltimore to adjust their offense to one his defense could stop.

still. waiting.

 

[BLITZ]

man

We have already discussed why he went away from that scheme. Why are we circling back around? He went away from it because of what the league was transitioning to....passing league with more mobile QBs. He may have to switch back, but apparently you guys don't understand you typically have to be all in on one pattern or another. I don't know of any coaches that run a hybrid of multiple defenses. Basically its pick your poison. I would be curious to know now if there are any, but I've never heard of that and they be overly successful.

the Ravens and Browns drafted Lamar and Chubb in 2018. 6 years later the Steelers have not adjusted their defensive schemes to stop the run. one part of that adjustment could have been to draft a true nose tackle. they still have not done so. they prefer other players on defense.

I have always been told that the 1st goal of an NFL team is to win the division. since the Steelers are mostly in a run 1st division, they should probably address this before now.
2 down line man and 9 other hall of famers would have trouble stopping the run.

 

[NoKap#7]

I think on some level Tomlin has tried to be multidimensional with the Steelers on offense and defense, like what they were doing in NE. Problem is the Patriots were outstanding at certain things. They had a QB who just didn't make mistakes. Their defense was always assignment sound. When that's the case, you can do different things. The Steelers have not had those certain outstanding elements. So they have been multidimensional average, which isn't good. Maybe they should have focused on doing a few things great.

They also had Ernie Adams. But I digress.

I will say this. I do think a hybrid defense will be the next big thing. You cant go full on 3-4 or 4-3 anymore....especially if you're dealing with a backfield that consists of Jackson and Henry both. The Buccaneers did really good against the run yesterday running their 4-3, but when Jayden dropped back and then eventually scrambled getting away from that NT it shows the downside of running that scheme. Maybe you have an extra spy on the field if you're not running that defense.

Of course the 3-4 has its own limitations when teams can exploits points of weakness on the front line and then the lbs try and compensate by flocking to that area and end up abandoning their post like Elandon Robert's did when Henry ran the ball up the middle for the td.

Maybe tomlin should be checking around to disciples of these well run hybrid defenses who have been under Belicheck, Spagnuolo etc and maybe make them the DC.

 

[Lloyd]

Have to disagree on this point, they are two entirely different types of players. Cam is strong but he is a technician as well. He doesn't play the run the same way as Casey did. Casey just ate up space and people he didn't have great moves he just plain physically beat you straight ahead if tried to block him with one man. HE couldn't run down a back or QB laterally like Cam or chase down a QB. He would just take the center and or guard and shove them into the QB. He didn't shoot gaps or beat anyone with speed, he did one thing, and he did that one thing very well, but it did limit what you could while he was in. Every positive has a negative. It would be nice to have someone who could do what he did as effectively as he did it but I think it can be a liability if teams are creative and have two players on the field who can run the ball. That is hard to stop in the best of situations for the best of teams. Getting a lead and eating clock is the best way to stop it. Something we failed at utterly the last 5 games.

Shades is just obsessed with the time of possession thing, he's just overkill with it. And it fails him and he doesn't know what he's left with.

 

[NoKap#7]

man

the Ravens and Browns drafted Lamar and Chubb in 2018. 6 years later the Steelers have not adjusted their defensive schemes to stop the run. one part of that adjustment could have been to draft a true nose tackle. they still have not done so. they prefer other players on defense.

I have always been told that the 1st goal of an NFL team is to win the division. since the Steelers are mostly in a run 1st division, they should probably address this before now.
2 down line man and 9 other hall of famers would have trouble stopping the run.

That would be fine if Lamar was just an effective runner and not a great passer also. He's both. The Browns counted on Deshaun Watson being every bit as good as Lamar. You're seeing now how lethal Lamar is with a great Rb behind him. No form of 4-3 or 3- 4 is stopping him and the Ravens solely using one or the other scheme by itself. Not when it's on point. The only way they lose from now on is if they beat themselves or their defense totally lays a egg. You might can expect the same from the Browns in the future depending on who they draft although they are likely to screw it up and Chubb may not be who he was prior to his injury. The Bengals are basically there even though JB isn't as fleet footed. He's still above avg mobile though.

 

[SteelerSask2]

All the venom of the last few days should be written down and re posted next July. When next year's shitshow is fully germinated.

 

[NoKap#7]

Shades is just obsessed with he time of possession thing, he's just overkill with it. And it fails him and he doesn't know what he's left with.

He's the coach of the team. he knows the team is limited personnel wise. Did you forget the WR core is one of the worst in the league? Of course he's going to focus on ball possession because he has QBs and a WR core that do not have the ability to play from behind on a consistent basis. RW has to be near perfect and you can forget about it period with JF. Its not happening. You would be in the same position if you were coach, if not worse. How would it be any different for any other coach?? Oh yeah I forgot to mention the OL is just avg at this point so against the better teams the pass and run struggle period. He just doesn't have the horses to compete on the same level the upper echelon teams are at...either that or the coaching, or both.

 

[keslerclan]

We ALL know regardless that HCMT isn’t going anywhere SO WHAT may be a few solutions?
On defense, Tomlin favors 5 DBs as a base. That, in itself is a problem against dominant running teams. He wants pressure to alleviate the time those DBs need to hold their coverage responsibilities. The answer is pretty basic. Change personnel based on the offensive groupings…like every team does to us. They line up w a RB and either two TEs or a 300# H-back, we SHOULD be in a “base” 3-4 w a NT and 4 DBs. We don’t even do that.

Another fix (against Baltimore in particular) is that we typically “contain” Jackson. We don’t have our OLBs trying to tackle the RB against an RPO style QB. We HIT the QB EVERY FREAKIN TIME! Maybe we get it right and cause a fumble/sack/injury forcing them to do something different? In the first half, our OLBs tried to do too much and we got burned. In the past, we didn’t play as “desperate”, contained Jackson so he couldn’t kill us w his legs and forced him to throw. He succeeded in throwing because we don’t know that TEs can also catch passes BUT every once in a while we got to him forcing a turnover.
Stopping the run is just matching personnel to theirs. They have a great scheme where they dedicate more blockers than we have defenders near the LOS. Greg Roman had a good scheme but Monken’s is better. They use a 300# H-back to lead block and/or pulling OLs to clear a path which overwhelms our numbers. The only fix is to scheme the personnel to match and force Jackson to stay in the pocket and pass. He will sometimes succeed BUT he was without his #1 WR which common sense would tell you that your defense is better playing against run stopping/contain in this last game. We didn't adjust and they won.

We have the rest of the off-season to discuss all our other shortcomings and potential solutions BUT UNTIL the Deuce sees fit to direct HCMT to be a HC, not a defacto OC/DC, we won't improve.

 

[DBS1970]

All the venom of the last few days should be written down and re posted next July. When next year's shitshow is fully germinated.

This is comical to me.

 

[BLITZ]

All the venom of the last few days should be written down and re posted next July. When next year's shitshow is fully germinated.

I gaurentee you I will be super positive next year. Still will want Tomlin gone. But will cheer them on

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Tomlin s a good NFL coach. He is good enough to not have a losing season. not good enough to get back to a super bowl.
He is to stuck in his ways. best example of that would be the Ravens game 300 yards rushing and how many times do you see 2 down linemen? one would think that after giving up so many yards in the 1st half you might adjust.

He is a good regular season coach as long as the schedule isn’t too tough

He’s good against the D,C and B grade teams in the regular season…iffy against the F teams and weak against the A competition

But in the playoffs he would have to see much improvement to get to mediocre. When the games count, really count, he sucks out loud.

 

[SteelerSask2]

This is comical to me.

Really. All the super positive it's gonna be awesome and come January 12 we are right back where we are

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He's the coach of the team. he knows the team is limited personnel wise. Did you forget the WR core is one of the worst in the league? Of course he's going to focus on ball possession because he has QBs and a WR core that do not have the ability to play from behind on a consistent basis. RW has to be near perfect and you can forget about it period with JF. Its not happening. You would be in the same position if you were coach, if not worse. How would it be any different for any other coach?? Oh yeah I forgot to mention the OL is just avg at this point so against the better teams the pass and run struggle period. He just doesn't have the horses to compete on the same level the upper echelon teams are at.

When dippy plays Van Jefferson all year when he has Mike Williams that is a Tomlin issue.

When in a playoff game the three being sent out are VJ, CA3 and Skowronek that is a Tomlin isssue.

When there’s zero 5 wide *******!!! All year!!!
That is a Tomlin issue

An “other coach” would be smart enough to have key personnel on the field in key situations…not Mike, cuz well…that is a Tomlin issue

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Well then I think we're all agreeing on the same thing. This narrative that Tomlin doesn't like NT is false. It's the scheme that's the issue, not that he doesn't like NTs.

If that’s your assertion then we are all definitely not agreeing on the same thing cuz many people are pointing out that he obviously doesn’t like NT…as in his scheme he won’t even roster one.

It is not a false narrative

He doesn’t believe in NT
He doesn’t believe in FBs
He doesn’t believe that games are won in the trenches

For ***** sake, he’s the inventor of you don’t need an OL if you have weapons.

He’s a moron that doesn’t understand the value of BIGS

 

[NoKap#7]

When dippy plays Van Jefferson all year when he has Mike Williams that is a Tomlin issue.

When in a playoff game the three being sent out are VJ, CA3 and Skowronek that is a Tomlin isssue.

When there’s zero 5 wide *******!!! All year!!!
That is a Tomlin issue

An “other coach” would be smart enough to have key personnel on the field in key situations…not Mike, cuz well…that is a Tomlin issue

Yeah, I don't know for sure what was going on with a lot of these personnel packages. I'm really curious about the facts behind that also. I'm genuinely curious to know why Mike Williams didn't see the field more and wasn't playing opposite GP more. He had enough time to learn most play calls at least by the time this past playoff game was played.

The only thing I could think of is that MW has never been known as a route tree runner so it would almost be way too obvious that his route is a go route and maybe that relieves the secondary of any guesswork concerning his role. Idk. It is what it is now.

 

[Gildong Sack]

1. Hire a legitimate DC who runs a better pass rush scheme and who can maximize the man press CBs you have in stock right now... the entire front 7 scheme is a mess that overly relies on individual effort... the pass D is too predictable... then stay the **** out of the defense...

2. Add the best DT you can find ... honestly it is the biggest hole on D...

3. Replace Pat Meyers with a experienced OL coach.. but first decide what your young line does best and get a guy whose style fits that... dont have road graders trying to play finesse styles... dont have guys who best play with simple techniques trying complex, unorthadox stuff...

4. Add a true assistant head coach to the staff. Get more input on staff hires and Pawn off the stuff you dont want to do or just suck at... he could be the disciplinarian and in game strategist

5. And this will be the one everyone hates...
hire Antonio Brown to mentor Pickens..
I dont know why, but sometimes blending old crazy with new crazy works counter how people think...
and no one, not Ward, not Swann, not Stallworth.. no one has ever had the work ethic Brown did... he may simply relate better and get him to focus on what he needs to do to be great...

6. Draft another impact WR, then draft another guy late just to be safe

7. Sit down with every offensive mind you can find to get better concepts for O than just "eat clock and dont turn it over"
Set the direction the O needs to go then stay the **** out of the O

8. hire Danny smith an assistant STC who concentrates on returns... he does well on blocks, and usually good on coverages, but his return game is always subpar..
also whoever is calling for the short kickoffs trying to get great coverages, just tell them to stfu and kick it into the end zone... that burns us enough it isnt worth it...

AB would help if he could, but he's busy fighting the empire. He offered to join the Steelers for free, but hey the galaxy comes first.

 

[diver]

All the venom of the last few days should be written down and re posted next July. When next year's shitshow is fully germinated.

Aw, hell. I'll be there, hoping. The pain of now will be forgotten. I don't regret the hope I have in July because of the pain I feel in January.

 

[NoKap#7]

If that’s your assertion then we are all definitely not agreeing on the same thing cuz many people are pointing out that he obviously doesn’t like NT…as in his scheme he won’t even roster one.

It is not a false narrative

He doesn’t believe in NT
He doesn’t believe in FBs
He doesn’t believe that games are won in the trenches

For ***** sake, he’s the inventor of you don’t need an OL if you have weapons.

He’s a moron that doesn’t understand the value of BIGS

I still don't agree about the NT. You cant center everything around the NT when you know the game has trended to make the NT relatively ineffective. You especially can't say he doesn't like the NT when multiple of your comrades have even stated he played a guy out of position to fill that position. That doesn't make sense to me that he doesn't like NT. That's flat out false.

If the game was trending back towards rbs being the key to the offenses again and getting away from passing I could see Tomlin switching back to 4-3 with no problem, but everybody knows the NFL and owners don't want to see that so the game will continue towards helping the QB to prosper.

You could very well be right on the fb, but a lot of teams dont use a fb and are just fine running the ball. Nonetheless, I got no issue with what you stated. I think they just don't draft a fb, or roster one because they could just as easily use a TE to do the same thing and not waste that roster spot.

"He doesn't believe games are won in the trenches" this is another foolish and unfounded statement. Not sure where this is coming from but perhaps you need to take a deep breath and get some perspective on what you're typing out on your keyboard. As a matter of fact there was even one person on here that pointed out Coach tomlins issue is trying to establish the run every game, but not having any go to once the run game fails and they fall behind.

I'm like this. There's enough ammo as it is to paint Tomlin in a negative light w/o having to sensationalize or flat out lie about what he likes and doesn't like, or what he's done or hasnt done...especially when his past reflects otherwise. When people start doing that it reflects a deeper issue then anything that has to do with football.

 

[diver]

I still don't agree about the NT. You cant center everything around the NT when you know the game has trended to make the NT relatively ineffective. You especially can't say he doesn't like the NT when multiple of your comrades have even stated he played a guy out of position to fill that position. That doesn't make sense to me that he doesn't like NT. That's flat out false.

If the game was trending back towards rbs being the key to the offenses again and getting away from passing I could see Tomlin switching back to 4-3 with no problem, but everybody knows the NFL and owners don't want to see that so the game will continue towards helping the QB to prosper.

You could very well be right on the fb, but a lot of teams dont use a fb and are just fine running the ball. Nonetheless, I got no issue with what you stated. I think they just don't draft a fb, or roster one because they could just as easily use a TE to do the same thing and not waste that roster spot.

"He doesn't believe games are won in the trenches" this is another foolish and unfounded statement. Not sure where this is coming from but perhaps you need to take a deep breath and get some perspective on what you're typing out on your keyboard. As a matter of fact there was even one person on here that pointed out Coach tomlins issue is trying to establish the run every game, but not having any go to once the run game fails and they fall behind.

I'm like this. There's enough ammo as it is to paint Tomlin in a negative light w/o having to sensationalize or flat out lie about what he likes and doesn't like, or what he's done or hasnt done...especially when his past reflects otherwise. When people start doing it reflects a deeper issue then anything that has to do with football.

He doesn't seem to like the more traditional type NT is what everyone is trying to say. The players he has chosen to play that position post Casey Hampton seem to bare that out.

The game may be trending more that way. 4 of the 5 playoff winners this week so far had running backs going over 100.

The Steelers have had more success with a true fullback, not a hybrid. I'm thinking guys like John L., Tim Lester, Dan Kreider.

The Steelers drafts of the last two years seem to point to the fact that Tomlin does know the importance of the trenches.

What is the deeper issue?

 

[NoKap#7]

He doesn't seem to like the more traditional type NT is what everyone is trying to say. The players he has chosen to play that position post Casey Hampton seem to bare that out.

The game may be trending more that way. 4 of the 5 playoff winners this week so far had running backs going over 100.

The Steelers have had more success with a true fullback, not a hybrid. I'm thinking guys like John L., Tim Lester, Dan Kreider.

The Steelers drafts of the last two years seem to point to the fact that Tomlin does know the importance of the trenches.

What is the deeper issue?

I still don't know what you mean when you say traditional type NT? I asked somebody this before and they never responded? Are we talking body type or what?

I also expect it to trend toward hybrid defenses...which means it still won't be about the NT, it will be about hybrid defenders.

If you're going to throw Tim Lester into the mix then I genuinely can't see what difference there would be between using him or a TE. A prime John L Williams might be a different story.

Steelers took 2 OL and one DL in 2023 and 3 OL and 1 DL in 2024 draft. Not sure what you mean when you say he doesn't know the importance of trenches? Out of 13 draft picks more then half were lineman. The first pics in both drafts were lineman. Your math isn't mathing and your statement isn't making sense.

I mean there could possibly be people who have a problem with Tomlin from day 1 because of the color of his skin....and regardless of what kind of coach he turned out to be or could have been they were never going to accept him. I hope i made that plain.

 

[slashsteel]

If that’s your assertion then we are all definitely not agreeing on the same thing cuz many people are pointing out that he obviously doesn’t like NT…as in his scheme he won’t even roster one.

It is not a false narrative

He doesn’t believe in NT
He doesn’t believe in FBs
He doesn’t believe that games are won in the trenches

For ***** sake, he’s the inventor of you don’t need an OL if you have weapons.

He’s a moron that doesn’t understand the value of BIGS

He fields broken schemes.
He has no clue on how to make game adjustments.
He doesn’t know X and Os.
He is highly predicable.
His players are highly confused even late in the season.

I could respect Rooney if he said we will look at it.

But when you give him a pass without even gluing in on the problems?

You want the fans to follow a broken product blindly? Knowing there is absolutely no way the Steelers will advance in the playoffs?

I have always watched knowing they would put their best foot forward.

This business man refuses to put his best foot forward.

Why should fans watch knowing he won’t at least give us that?

I will answer for yinz you shouldn’t and I shouldn’t and won’t.

If you don’t care I don’t care enough to watch.

When you care enough again I will care enough again.

It is an insult for an owner not to at least entertain the possibility to improve. If it was a stock I would sell.

I won’t remove the tat from my arm but I damn sure won’t waste my television time with a team that tells us to just deal with mediocre or less than that.

I mean that is the worst approach to not review the state of the team you own.

Says a lot about what the newest Rooney thinks of fans. He could care less.

 

[BLITZ]

I still don't know what you mean when you say traditional type NT? I asked somebody this before and they never responded? Are we talking body type or what?

I also expect it to trend toward hybrid defenses...which means it still won't be about the NT, it will be about hybrid defenders.

If you're going to throw Tim Lester into the mix then I genuinely can't see what difference there would be between using him or a TE. A prime John L Williams might be a different story.

Steelers took 2 OL and one DL in 2023 and 3 OL and 1 DL in 2024 draft. Not sure what you mean when you say he doesn't know the importance of trenches? Out of 13 draft picks more then half were lineman. The first pics in both drafts were lineman. Your math isn't mathing and your statement isn't making sense.

I mean there could possibly be people who have a problem with Tomlin from day 1 because of the color of his skin....and regardless of what kind of coach he turned out to be or could have been they were never going to accept him. I hope i made that plain.

99.9999999999999999% of steeler fans do not care if Tomlin is a blackish yellow with a bit of red guy/gal, gay transvestite carnivore who identifies as a they vegetarian (they don't eat BACON)
if he could when a playoff game on a regular basis.

Any Steeler fans knows this common fact.