Then Tomlin was playing him out of position. Tomlin seems to not like the traditional nose. It's just a fact, by the players he brings in. Look at what he does.
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If you have a good nose, like a Casey Hampton, you are committing more than one guy to him. Maybe going to the left isn't as easy then.
What is the traditional nose exactly? Are you basing this off of weight, or what? He put him there because he could see the field more in that position rather then the defensive end position which if I'm not mistaken was already solidified. Who would you take out and put him in??
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Yeah, that's assuming Casey is that much better then a player like Cam? How much better do you think Casey is then Cam??, because I'm assuming the same effort it took to avoid Cam in the run game is the same effort it would take to get around Casey
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Have to disagree on this point, they are two entirely different types of players. Cam is strong but he is a technician as well. He doesn't play the run the same way as Casey did. Casey just ate up space and people he didn't have great moves he just plain physically beat you straight ahead if tried to block him with one man. HE couldn't run down a back or QB laterally like Cam or chase down a QB. He would just take the center and or guard and shove them into the QB. He didn't shoot gaps or beat anyone with speed, he did one thing, and he did that one thing very well, but it did limit what you could while he was in. Every positive has a negative. It would be nice to have someone who could do what he did as effectively as he did it but I think it can be a liability if teams are creative and have two players on the field who can run the ball. That is hard to stop in the best of situations for the best of teams. Getting a lead and eating clock is the best way to stop it. Something we failed at utterly the last 5 games.
It's not about which player is better, it's about having more size on your Dline when you're going against a great running team. Like I said before a group of grade school kids can tell you that if you have 5 300lbs guys pushing against 2 300lb guys, they know the 5 guys are going to win. Yeah sounds basic, but when you're using 2 DL, then 4 245lb LB's behind that, you're going to get blown off the LOS
Shades has always had something against traditional noses, no idea why. But facts are facts.
Fair point. I would have secured a more traditional nose and used him in rotation with Heyward and Tuitt.
Nothing you said changes whether they have a player like Casey on the line or not. What you're referring to is scheme whether it's 3-4, 4-3 etc. If you think the scheme needs to change that's one thing. I personally just thought it was more about who was the more physical team the other night. Nobody really wanted to tackle. That's not going to get fixed whether you have a Casey Hampton in the middle or not.
Different players, different roles. Part of this discussion, let's not forget, is Tomlin's insistence on playing this 2 DL thing. Maybe a traditional nose would not be such a big deal if he got a way from that.
Well I agree with everything you just said which basically should put this "Tomlin dislikes NT" business to rest, because I just feel you're not going to have much different results you had the other day with Casey in there.
yeah our two D lineman werent physical enough to best their 5 O linemen
When people say have a Casey Hampton they're referring to a scheme change, Hampton took up the C and an OG every play allowing LB's to flow to the ball more easily, not we're seeing Tomlin lame excuse for a Tampa 2 using primarily only 2 DL, well now there is no occupying two Olinemen, now the OL are getting to the second level with ease.
How are you going to be more physical when you're trying to stop a 250lb running back with only 2 DL? The running back is bigger than our LB's, you need more size in the trenches, that's Tomlin's idiotic stubborness again, we can stop them with just 2 DL, " WE DO WHAT WE DO", same damn thing he tried vs Cleveland in the playoffs, they averaged almost 5ypc in that game.
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carried to two Super Bowls.
tell me two magnificent coaching moves he made to lead those teams to both.
I'll help with one:
1. Stayed TF outta the way.
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hes a troll tom. Either that or just not very smart.
Well then I think we're all agreeing on the same thing. This narrative that Tomlin doesn't like NT is false. It's the scheme that's the issue, not that he doesn't like NTs.
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did you just say that with a straight face?
If he did like a traditional nose, wouldn't he change the scheme to accommodate one?
If that was a legit reason I would feel the need to go on further with the conversation. I guess you'll just be scoffing at his brown jacket when he gets one because it's a tell tale sign of someone who just stayed out of the way his whole career.
We have already discussed why he went away from that scheme. Why are we circling back around? He went away from it because of what the league was transitioning to....passing league with more mobile QBs. He may have to switch back, but apparently you guys don't understand you typically have to be all in on one pattern or another. I don't know of any coaches that run a hybrid of multiple defenses. Basically its pick your poison. I would be curious to know now if there are any, but I've never heard of that and they be overly successful.
Bill Belechick? The guy would adapt and adjust his defenses depending on the offense he was facing. At least that is what all the "experts" would say as they were kissing his a@@,
Ha. Right. I guess if you got a bunch of high IQ guys you could pull it off. Scouting teams practices unknowingly helps that a lot too. It's supposed to be a copycat league though and it looks like three coaches do it and are pretty good. Not sure why then it's not being done by way more teams. The only reason I can think of is the influence of coaching trees. This is how I learned and it's hard to go away from using what I've been taught.
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WTF gets a brown jacket? is he going to be a janitor or some ****?
I'll assume you mean gold jacket for a HOF induction, but ... not even you are that naively ignorant.