Tomlin is not as dumb as many of you think

[Ike Kelly]

Yeah, I was just kidding with you, but with Lloyd, not sure F was an exaggeration.

I should have made a separate thread on this topic , taken everyone’s grade and calculated the mean, median, and mode.
That would be the scientific way to determine Tomlins true grade leaving no doubt!
Wouldn’t it?
Eh maybe not. Lol

Coach Lloyd would say F-.

 

[mightyguru]

Tomlin don't suck.

 

[stillwright]

You can't be serious.

Now read your third and fourth sentence and ask who actually put that team in place. Tomlin never HAD winning ability. This ****** went 31st against the pass in MN as defensive coordinator in 2006. Know why the success left? You just said it but forgot to add one component: Bill Cowher. Cowher's players left. Cowher's coaches left. So did Tomlin's playoff "success". The 2011-present is the REAL Mike Tomlin.

Meh....I gave Tomlin credit with his earlier winning. Always fought against the"he won with Cowher's players". Now that is all I see. He had a SB winning roster along with the Coaching staff that went with it. As the years have gone by my view has changed.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I know if he’d just stop with the absolutely dumb decisions of challenging the spot of the ball he’d instantly raise IQ points in my book.

Has he ever won a spot of the ball challenge? I’m sure it must have happened with as many as he’s made, I sure as hell cant remember one tho.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Yeah maybe, but what about that Coolie guy?

 

[BLITZ]

Yeah maybe, but what about that Coolie guy?

who?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

 

[jiminoh]

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You always seem to come up with the best pics ranging all over the place. Love it!

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

You always seem to come up with the best pics ranging all over the place. Love it!

Thank you, we try

 

[Steelmann]

Coach Lloyd would say F-.

But what would Coach Ike say?

Personally I’d give him a B. While we all know and talk about his disastrous playoff record since the GB SB, let us never forget that it takes those regular season wins in order to reach the playoffs. We can’t just dismiss those Never Had a Losing season accomplishments.

I also feel the same way Top does. The title of this is Tomlin is not as dumb as many of you think…anyone who parlays a NFL coaching career into 18 years and a salary of 16 million + whatever endorsements is certainly not dumb in life. I’d call that very successful. And you know exactly he will get a huge contract if he so chooses to go into TV broadcasting. Personally I think he should go into politics. I’ve never heard a person spew so much BS without ever having answered a question. He’s taking a page from their handbook.

Anyone that remembers school knows a B was satisfactory but definitely could be improved upon. Which to me has been Tomlin’s coaching career for the Steelers. There always seems to be a WTF moment. Even last game. Going for it on that 4th down when a FG puts us up by 3 scores. I definitely went WTF…..don’t know about you guys. He just doesn’t get us over the hump. It’s not like he hasn’t been given enough opportunities to get us there. 14 years since GB SB. Good lord. I just realized I was I’m my 40’s then. Seems like a long time ago.

 

[CoolieMan]

Yeah maybe, but what about that Coolie guy?

he sucks donkey balls

 

[BLITZ]

Thank you, we try

I like this pic better

 

[slashsteel]

I like this pic better

Let those puppies breathe.

 

[Ike Kelly]

But what would Coach Ike say?

Personally I’d give him a B. While we all know and talk about his disastrous playoff record since the GB SB, let us never forget that it takes those regular season wins in order to reach the playoffs. We can’t just dismiss those Never Had a Losing season accomplishments.

I also feel the same way Top does. The title of this is Tomlin is not as dumb as many of you think…anyone who parlays a NFL coaching career into 18 years and a salary of 16 million + whatever endorsements is certainly not dumb in life. I’d call that very successful. And you know exactly he will get a huge contract if he so chooses to go into TV broadcasting. Personally I think he should go into politics. I’ve never heard a person spew so much BS without ever having answered a question. He’s taking a page from their handbook.

Anyone that remembers school knows a B was satisfactory but definitely could be improved upon. Which to me has been Tomlin’s coaching career for the Steelers. There always seems to be a WTF moment. Even last game. Going for it on that 4th down when a FG puts us up by 3 scores. I definitely went WTF…..don’t know about you guys. He just doesn’t get us over the hump. It’s not like he hasn’t been given enough opportunities to get us there. 14 years since GB SB. Good lord. I just realized I was I’m my 40’s then. Seems like a long time ago.

Well first, I wouldn’t call myself “Coach” since I have knowledge/confidence of the game and my ego doesn’t need it. Second, a letter grade of an 18 year career with almost 180 wins and a .635 W/L %? Thats third behind Belicheat and Andy (active coaches with at least 15 years). He will eclipse Noll’s record and reach 200 wins well before he decides to retire. Has a SB, been to two. Most likely a HOF….a letter grade would be kind of superfluous. Now letter grades in aspects of his coaching, that is a more reliable measurement. Historical Win/Loss rate, is probably an A. Defense has always been strong, but he’s had the right players for the scheme which routinely rated in the top of the league. I’d say a B+. Offensively, you have to separate it from “Ben/After Ben”. They were prolific with Ben during Arians and Haley’s reign, had the players that complemented Ben. A with Ben, a D without (Oh’ Canada, of which he hired is the cause), which makes his W/L% during that period amazing. Playoffs he’s has a D and that’s because he’s been to two SB. Without them it’s an F. Plain and simple. He’s got to start winning to conference championships and SBs. Challenges, well it was subjective until Riveron was canned. But Tomlin’s average is 42% when the league has been between 40-49% since the challenge rule was instituted. Of course this is all subjective regardless, because 75% of games are decided by players the other 25% a mixture of coaching/preparation and of course officiating.

What I find hilarious is the comment regarding Tomlin’s “coach speak”. Every, and I mean EVERY coach speaks a lot, but says nothing. Thats part of not giving anything away to your opponent in order to win games. Have you never listened to Belichick? Hell, Cowher was worse with his coach speak. Dulac, Bouchette, Pruista and Savran all used to comment on the amount of “useless” rather than useful statements of his conferences. Plus Cowher had gag orders on players regarding their injuries, they were exclusively forbidden to discuss them with the press, until Goodell required all players to be available to media, except in certain circumstances.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Well first, I wouldn’t call myself “Coach” since I have knowledge/confidence of the game and my ego doesn’t need it. Second, a letter grade of an 18 year career with almost 180 wins and a .635 W/L %? Thats third behind Belicheat and Andy (active coaches with at least 15 years). He will eclipse Noll’s record and reach 200 wins well before he decides to retire. Has a SB, been to two. Most likely a HOF….a letter grade would be kind of superfluous. Now letter grades in aspects of his coaching, that is a more reliable measurement. Historical Win/Loss rate, is probably an A. Defense has always been strong, but he’s had the right players for the scheme which routinely rated in the top of the league. I’d say a B+. Offensively, you have to separate it from “Ben/After Ben”. They were prolific with Ben during Arians and Haley’s reign, had the players that complemented Ben. A with Ben, a D without (Oh’ Canada, of which he hired is the cause), which makes his W/L% during that period amazing. Playoffs he’s has a D and that’s because he’s been to two SB. Without them it’s an F. Plain and simple. He’s got to start winning to conference championships and SBs. Challenges, well it was subjective until Riveron was canned. But Tomlin’s average is 42% when the league has been between 40-49% since the challenge rule was instituted. Of course this is all subjective regardless, because 75% of games are decided by players the other 25% a mixture of coaching/preparation and of course officiating.

What I find hilarious is the comment regarding Tomlin’s “coach speak”. Every, and I mean EVERY coach speaks a lot, but says nothing. Thats part of not giving anything away to your opponent in order to win games. Have you never listened to Belichick? Hell, Cowher was worse with his coach speak. Dulac, Bouchette, Pruista and Savran all used to comment on the amount of “useless” rather than useful statements of his conferences. Plus Cowher had gag orders on players regarding their injuries, they were exclusively forbidden to discuss them with the press, until Goodell required all players to be available to media, except in certain circumstances.

EXCELLENT Post Ike, thank you and keep them coming along the way.


I think the negative of Coach Tomlin is post season success, especially the last few years of being blown out.

Are is definitely NOT a stupid man or coach. Just the combination of Tomlinisms and coming up short of what the Best Fan-base in the NFL want.



Salute the nation

 

[Steelmann]

Well first, I wouldn’t call myself “Coach” since I have knowledge/confidence of the game and my ego doesn’t need it. Second, a letter grade of an 18 year career with almost 180 wins and a .635 W/L %? Thats third behind Belicheat and Andy (active coaches with at least 15 years). He will eclipse Noll’s record and reach 200 wins well before he decides to retire. Has a SB, been to two. Most likely a HOF….a letter grade would be kind of superfluous. Now letter grades in aspects of his coaching, that is a more reliable measurement. Historical Win/Loss rate, is probably an A. Defense has always been strong, but he’s had the right players for the scheme which routinely rated in the top of the league. I’d say a B+. Offensively, you have to separate it from “Ben/After Ben”. They were prolific with Ben during Arians and Haley’s reign, had the players that complemented Ben. A with Ben, a D without (Oh’ Canada, of which he hired is the cause), which makes his W/L% during that period amazing. Playoffs he’s has a D and that’s because he’s been to two SB. Without them it’s an F. Plain and simple. He’s got to start winning to conference championships and SBs. Challenges, well it was subjective until Riveron was canned. But Tomlin’s average is 42% when the league has been between 40-49% since the challenge rule was instituted. Of course this is all subjective regardless, because 75% of games are decided by players the other 25% a mixture of coaching/preparation and of course officiating.

What I find hilarious is the comment regarding Tomlin’s “coach speak”. Every, and I mean EVERY coach speaks a lot, but says nothing. Thats part of not giving anything away to your opponent in order to win games. Have you never listened to Belichick? Hell, Cowher was worse with his coach speak. Dulac, Bouchette, Pruista and Savran all used to comment on the amount of “useless” rather than useful statements of his conferences. Plus Cowher had gag orders on players regarding their injuries, they were exclusively forbidden to discuss them with the press, until Goodell required all players to be available to media, except in certain circumstances.

I would think it was quite obvious that I used “coach Ike”because you used it for “coach Lloyd”. A little bit of humor.

You found my “ coach speaks “ comment hilarious? About as hilarious as you separating a letter grade as “ before Ben/after Ben”.

 

[CoolieMan]

What I find hilarious is the comment regarding Tomlin’s “coach speak”. Every, and I mean EVERY coach speaks a lot, but says nothing. Thats part of not giving anything away to your opponent in order to win games. Have you never listened to Belichick? Hell, Cowher was worse with his coach speak. Dulac, Bouchette, Pruista and Savran all used to comment on the amount of “useless” rather than useful statements of his conferences. Plus Cowher had gag orders on players regarding their injuries, they were exclusively forbidden to discuss them with the press, until Goodell required all players to be available to media, except in certain circumstances.

exactly...what the **** do you expect Tomlin to say in interviews? his real game plan? or yeah our qb ****** us today....******* OL couldn't block a bunch of high schoolers??

they say a lot without saying a damn thing really meaningful

 

[madinsomniac]

exactly...what the **** do you expect Tomlin to say in interviews? his real game plan? or yeah our qb ****** us today....******* OL couldn't block a bunch of high schoolers??

they say a lot without saying a damn thing really meaningful

Bill Cowher was dickish and combative in most press conferences.. said little to nothing but coachspeak... its what they do

 

[Ike Kelly]

I would think it was quite obvious that I used “coach Ike”because you used it for “coach Lloyd”. A little bit of humor.

You found my “ coach speaks “ comment hilarious? About as hilarious as you separating a letter grade as “ before Ben/after Ben”.

Really? What’s Andy Reid’s letter grade before Mahomes/after Mahomes? Belichick’s before/after Marsha? How hilarious is that?

 

[Ike Kelly]

Bill Cowher was dickish and combative in most press conferences.. said little to nothing but coachspeak... its what they do

Yeah Mad, he got pretty testy the last few years, but really didn’t blame him. After the rumor about he and his wife splitting up came up during one of his pressers, when she had actually been diagnosed with cancer and it wasn’t public yet, I’d be pretty standoffish myself.

 

[madinsomniac]

D

Yeah Mad, he got pretty testy the last few years, but really didn’t blame him. After the rumor about he and his wife splitting up came up during one of his pressers, when she had actually been diagnosed with cancer and it wasn’t public yet, I’d be pretty standoffish myself.

Im just saying... I travel ... I see and hear a zillion coaches pressers from all over... and its tge same no calorie coachspeak ...and head coaches have egos...

Ill be tge first to say that Tomlin has a huge ego... and yeah, occasionally its an issue.. but ill also recognize its part of tge psych makeup of that level of coach more often than not...

 

[Drink IRON City]

Really? What’s Andy Reid’s letter grade before Mahomes/after Mahomes? Belichick’s before/after Marsha? How hilarious is that?

Pre-cheat, Post-cheat……….


Salute the nation

 

[alancac98]

I think Tomlin checks a lot of boxes as a coach (for the players) until game day - then she a f......... moron! The coaches he hires are mostly morons. He has had only one good coach since Munchack left - Flores, but that was short lived. Player personnel issues (square peg, round hole) abound on the O side of the ball. He's just dumb on offence and should shut up and never touch it at all!!! He's a D in my book all day long as the list of his deficiencies go on and on!

 

[BLITZ]

I think Tomlin checks a lot of boxes as a coach (for the players) until game day - then she a f......... moron! The coaches he hires are mostly morons. He has had only one good coach since Munchack left - Flores, but that was short lived. Player personnel issues (square peg, round hole) abound on the O side of the ball. He's just dumb on offence and should shut up and never touch it at all!!! He's a D in my book all day long as the list of his deficiencies go on and on!

Yet he keeps on winning.

Looking at our history, once Noll lost Bradshaw, the Steelers went through a rough rough time.
Cowher had a rough patch.
Tomlin keeps figuring out ways to keep the Steelers winning

 

[bermudasteel]

I think Tomlin checks a lot of boxes as a coach (for the players) until game day - then she a f......... moron! The coaches he hires are mostly morons. He has had only one good coach since Munchack left - Flores, but that was short lived. Player personnel issues (square peg, round hole) abound on the O side of the ball. He's just dumb on offence and should shut up and never touch it at all!!! He's a D in my book all day long as the list of his deficiencies go on and on!

I'm calling BS on this...