Tomlin is not as dumb as many of you think

[Drink IRON City]

Yeah for Noll, it’s tough replacing your All-Pros when they were all retiring around the same time. Cowher’s rough patch was pre determined by his game philosophy; run the ball, play great defense, when you get the lead, chew up the clock with game managing QB. The two outliers to that philosophy, Kordell, to an extent Maddox, and Ben.

With all that said, Cowher didn’t have the drought Coach Tomlin has had.



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[Drink IRON City]

Out of curiosity who really thinks a NFL head coach is dumb? Even the worst NFL coach ever whomever you think that might be. Is probs super smart

Agree, that coach would know more about football than most people ever.


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[madinsomniac]

But the dumbest coach is probs still a very smart person

Absolutely untrue. There are some really brilliant coaches, but for the most part, professional sport coaches are not hired for intelligence traits.

If that were true, few former players would ever become coaches.
The biggest factors in coaching are organizational skills, motivational skills, and teaching skills. Most schemes these guys follow are legacy schemes concocted by other coaches..
there rarely is more than one or two coaches in any sport at one given time with any high end Strategic abilities.

I dont think they are stupid, by any means.. but i wouldnt call them smart.. they are average to slightly above average. You get one or two really smart ones who can actually do the other coaching things once or twice a decade at best...

They should have a separate college class or developmental program for Coaching.. much like the military has a separate program for officers... then you could get really smart, creative, and strategically adept person who understands how to team build and motivate...

I think Tomlin has been a top 5 or 10 head coach every year... but Id bet his IQ is between average or maybe a few points above that... his big picture vision ability is meh.. he mostly plagiarizes tactics.

Coaching in the NFL isn't great... but it isn't meant to be... homogenized tactics lead to parity.. and that's great for entertainment..

 

[BLITZ]

Absolutely untrue. There are some really brilliant coaches, but for the most part, professional sport coaches are not hired for intelligence traits.

If that were true, few former players would ever become coaches.
The biggest factors in coaching are organizational skills, motivational skills, and teaching skills. Most schemes these guys follow are legacy schemes concocted by other coaches..
there rarely is more than one or two coaches in any sport at one given time with any high end Strategic abilities.

I dont think they are stupid, by any means.. but i wouldnt call them smart.. they are average to slightly above average. You get one or two really smart ones who can actually do the other coaching things once or twice a decade at best...

They should have a separate college class or developmental program for Coaching.. much like the military has a separate program for officers... then you could get really smart, creative, and strategically adept person who understands how to team build and motivate...

I think Tomlin has been a top 5 or 10 head coach every year... but Id bet his IQ is between average or maybe a few points above that... his big picture vision ability is meh.. he mostly plagiarizes tactics.

Coaching in the NFL isn't great... but it isn't meant to be... homogenized tactics lead to parity.. and that's great for entertainment..

I disagree. you will not find a dumb head coach in the NFL.

 

[madinsomniac]

I disagree. you will not find a dumb head coach in the NFL.

I specifically said they weren't stupid, but between stupid and smart there is a whole lot of average.. and that's where most coaches come from.. smart would be Marv Levy... most coaches are just subject matter experts... they arent " intelligent smart" they know things about a singular subject...

a person can have a low or middling IQ and be great at their job because while they may be average at the rate they learn or their ability to visualize concepts and expand on known methods.. they can learn predetermined methods and repeat them at a high efficiency.

I guess you can say they are Knowledgeable about Football.. but that doesnt make them smart..

But a fortune 500 company isnt offering one of these guys a job as a ceo or anything...

 

[BLITZ]

I specifically said they weren't stupid, but between stupid and smart there is a whole lot of average.. and that's where most coaches come from.. smart would be Marv Levy... most coaches are just subject matter experts... they arent " intelligent smart" they know things about a singular subject...

a person can have a low or middling IQ and be great at their job because while they may be average at the rate they learn or their ability to visualize concepts and expand on known methods.. they can learn predetermined methods and repeat them at a high efficiency.

I guess you can say they are Knowledgeable about Football.. but that doesnt make them smart..

But a fortune 500 company isnt offering one of these guys a job as a ceo or anything...

I resemble that remark.

you are probs right. I am not passionate enough about it to research.

 

[madinsomniac]

I resemble that remark.

you are probs right. I am not passionate enough about it to research.

I just think people use "dumb" and "smart" as a binary concept... dumb means your intelligence is below average.. smart means its above average.., there is a whole lot of average in there that is ignored..
just like people confuse "Smart" with " Genius"... especially in sports... a smart coach who does the basic logical things gets called a genius all the time... Genius level is extrapolating and innovating at a higher function...

 

[xjx]

I have summed up all that has been written on this subject and concluded that Tomlin is just average or slightly below. His jabberwocky talk trait is cover up for his below average intelligence.

 

[SteveA]

I have summed up all that has been written on this subject and concluded that Tomlin is just average or slightly below.

FIRST PLACE COACH IN THE AFC NORTH...

Your take & timing sucks...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I resemble that remark.

you are probs right. I am not passionate enough about it to research.

Just for fun let’s have all the coaches get scored on the Wonderlic

I’m guessing many are in the average range give or take.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Just for fun let’s have all the coaches get scored on the Wonderlic

I’m guessing many are in the average range give or take.

A long time ago, myself and a friend of mine put together this NFL Coach Death Match tournament together. It resembled “Celebrity Death Match” if you can remember that.

We wrote skits for each match and they battled down until only two remained. It was Coach Cowher and Jack Delrio. It was a classic brutal match, but Coach Cowher did come out of it victorious………………

I’d be more in favor of this, than the wonderlic. I’m talking actual death matches, in the arena with hand to hand & weapons.

I could be called a “sick Bast-ard”, but I’m betting many here would agree and enjoy the matches, if for real.



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[Litos]

A long time ago, myself and a friend of mine put together this NFL Coach Death Match tournament together. It resembled “Celebrity Death Match” if you can remember that.

We wrote skits for each match and they battled down until only two remained. It was Coach Cowher and Jack Delrio. It was a classic brutal match, but Coach Cowher did come out of it victorious………………

I’d be more in favor of this, than the wonderlic. I’m talking actual death matches, in the arena with hand to hand & weapons.

I could be called a “sick Bast-ard”, but I’m betting many here would agree and enjoy the matches, if for real.



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You'd fit well in ancient Rome.

Don't know if you'd get quality bacon though

 

[stillwright]

Agree, that coach would know more about football than most people ever.


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Agreed....yet....there were times over these last few seasons we knew what we would be doing on offense by our formations. So if we knew as stupid fans.....what did the other smart coaches in this league know? Yet we didn't change anything. Week in and week out. For seasons.

 

[stillwright]

FIRST PLACE COACH IN THE AFC NORTH...

Your take & timing sucks...

So close to getting that non-losing season again....that I can taste it. Can't wait.

 

[Steelmann]

Moving Watt around has been genius...DABO just said BECAUSE the Steelers moved Watt around more than usual it confused Daniel Jones as they were "supposed" to have a TE cover....

Tomlins D making adjustments and an opposing coach saying it totally changed the outcome of the game as he admits they were unprepared for that..

FIRE TOMLIN...

I will add something to this. I mean,I definitely think we give him to much **** and some give him too much credit. Moving your all world star player around is “ genius “? Really? I mean what coach doesn’t move their star player that attacks QB around? I would hardly use the word “ genius “ for that.
While I’m at it…..genius…”a lone wolf” for putting Russ in? The media is so full of it. Your #1 QB from the minute he was acquired.
I doubt there is a person on here that thought Russ would sit on the bench for the whole season. Justin did fine. But you knew Russ was going in.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

A long time ago, myself and a friend of mine put together this NFL Coach Death Match tournament together. It resembled “Celebrity Death Match” if you can remember that.

We wrote skits for each match and they battled down until only two remained. It was Coach Cowher and Jack Delrio. It was a classic brutal match, but Coach Cowher did come out of it victorious………………

I’d be more in favor of this, than the wonderlic. I’m talking actual death matches, in the arena with hand to hand & weapons.

I could be called a “sick Bast-ard”, but I’m betting many here would agree and enjoy the matches, if for real.



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Would Tomlin be too hip hop for the tourney?
As in the one of the only ones who passes through a metal detector??

Imma put my money on DeMeco Ryans or Dan Campbell of the current coaches

Who you got?

 

[Ike Kelly]

That’s when a wise man would use his words and simply ask the ref he’s been standing next to for 5 minutes before dropping the red challenge flag like a rookie HC

I thought Aikman stated Tomlin asked Novak if he could challenge the original call and he said yes, which is why he threw the flag. Novak didn’t tell him that RA had been used after the call was made. Been trying to find the press pool conference with the referees and it hasn’t been released or discussed in any reports online. Would like to know how the convo went.

 

[Litos]

Would Tomlin be too hip hop for the tourney?
As in the one of the only ones who passes through a metal detector??

Imma put my money on DeMeco Ryans or Dan Campbell of the current coaches

Who you got?

Regarding hip hop coaches:
McVay looks pretty fly, for a white guy

 

[Ike Kelly]

With all that said, Cowher didn’t have the drought Coach Tomlin has had.

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That’s definitely true there Drink, but I remember folks back in the late 90’s on the original board basically demanding someone truck Cowher out of town having back to back subpar seasons. Then again, he had been fighting Donahoe regarding the players being drafted.

 

[Ike Kelly]

….just like people confuse "Smart" with " Genius"... especially in sports... a smart coach who does the basic logical things gets called a genius all the time... Genius level is extrapolating and innovating at a higher function...

Just like Coach, Coach Lloyd or whatever he/she is calling “their” self now.

 

[Ike Kelly]

A long time ago, myself and a friend of mine put together this NFL Coach Death Match tournament together. It resembled “Celebrity Death Match” if you can remember that.

We wrote skits for each match and they battled down until only two remained. It was Coach Cowher and Jack Delrio. It was a classic brutal match, but Coach Cowher did come out of it victorious………………

I’d be more in favor of this, than the wonderlic. I’m talking actual death matches, in the arena with hand to hand & weapons.

I could be called a “sick Bast-ard”, but I’m betting many here would agree and enjoy the matches, if for real.

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That would be interesting, but base it on how many player careers the participants had ended. We know Cowher ended Jeff Fisher’s playing career on the field of play.

 

[Drink IRON City]

That’s definitely true there Drink, but I remember folks back in the late 90’s on the original board basically demanding someone truck Cowher out of town having back to back subpar seasons. Then again, he had been fighting Donahoe regarding the players being drafted.

I remember that as well, it was how adamant the fans were and demanded wins. Similar to today’s fans, except todays fans are accepting the non-losing season scenario.

With Cowhere, I didn’t feel like we would never come out of it, whereas with Coach Tomlin,…….. it’s been way too long that Groundhog Day has taken aver to a degree.

Don’t get me wrong, I always want and will be a STEELERS fan. I just want the mediocracy gone and back to the good O’l days of a PO win or many along the way.


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[Drink IRON City]

Just like Coach, Coach Lloyd or whatever he/she is calling “their” self now.

I don’t think anyone here is confusing Coach Lloyd with being smart or a genius……………. Just sayiN


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[Ike Kelly]

I don’t think anyone here is confusing Coach Lloyd with being smart or a genius……………. Just sayiN

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Oh but he is a GENIUS! In a Wile E. Coyote sort of way, that is.

 

[BLITZ]

I just think people use "dumb" and "smart" as a binary concept... dumb means your intelligence is below average.. smart means its above average.., there is a whole lot of average in there that is ignored..
just like people confuse "Smart" with " Genius"... especially in sports... a smart coach who does the basic logical things gets called a genius all the time... Genius level is extrapolating and innovating at a higher function..

Oh but he is a GENIUS! In a Wile E. Coyote sort of way, that is.

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