Tomlin is not as dumb as many of you think

[Badcat]

I think Tomlin checks a lot of boxes as a coach (for the players) until game day - then she a f......... moron! The coaches he hires are mostly morons. He has had only one good coach since Munchack left - Flores, but that was short lived. Player personnel issues (square peg, round hole) abound on the O side of the ball. He's just dumb on offence and should shut up and never touch it at all!!! He's a D in my book all day long as the list of his deficiencies go on and on!

Tomlin isn't "Dumb" on offense, he wants to implement a ground and pound offense relying on defense to win the game. He drafted Najee in the first round and hired an OC who loves to run the ball, it's obvious. Many people find his mindset "old fashioned", and I would agree personally, as I've been an OC at a HS level and love a good air raid offense. But Tomlin isn't "dumb", that is a simple-minded determinate for your point.

 

[bigben]

A lot of people fixate on mistakes, like his issues with correctly throwing a challenge flag, but those people all miss his game to game consistency in time management, player preparation (especially in injury, next man up situations), and succeeding through difficult team situations that would absolutely turn a winning team into a basement dweller. He navigates the locker room, eliminates selfish players quickly, and helps to recruit NFL talent that wants to play for him.

You have every right to not like a coach for whatever reason you want, but you don't consistently win this long in the league by being a bad coach.

I have no personal problem with Tomlin, Out of all the head coaches in the NFL he is the one I'd most likely want to have a beer with. Seems like a cool charismatic guy.
I can give him credit when credit is due, like him Putting Russ in over fields for example.
I get it, at 5-2 everyone is on the Tomlin train. I'm thrilled too, but I'm not delusional, this feels alot like the year we started 11-0 or whatever it was?

I just cannot ignore the big picture, no losing seasons is an accomplishment. When no losing seasons becomes the biggest defense against criticism, At that point it's like bragging about getting a diet coke with you're fast food. Diet coke will save you some calories but it really means zero.


Since 2011 Tomlin is 3-8 in the playoffs with a Hall of fame QB and the NFL #1WR and #1RB. Brown and Bell were not just #1 they were historically good.

Bell averaged 128+ yards from scrimmage per game for his entire career as a Steeler. Most in nfl history 2013-2017

Brown was #1 in Receptions 821, Receiving yards 11,400, and TD 74 from 2011-2018
837 rec, the second most receptions in league history through his first 9 seasons as a Steeler.
The second fastest WR in history to hit 11,000 yds (129 games)
The first and only player to have 100 receptions in six straight seasons
1 of 5 WR in history to have 100 rec and 15 TD in a season



Tomlin's Steelers have given up the most points in NFL history over the last 5 playoff losses. average of 40.5

What other coach can say they lost a playoff game to Tebow, Bortles and Mayfield?

Tomlins "next man up" is a good buzzword for the press. In reality the Steelers are 1-10 without TJ Watt

He's won nothing in 15+ years with historically good players, While laying the biggest playoff eggs that have ever been laid.

Tomlin is an above average coach with some real gifts, but winning when it counts is not his strong suit. Nothing personal, just the facts.

 

[Badcat]

I have no personal problem with Tomlin, Out of all the head coaches in the NFL he is the one I'd most likely want to have a beer with. Seems like a cool charismatic guy.
I can give him credit when credit is due, like him Putting Russ in over fields for example.
I get it, at 5-2 everyone is on the Tomlin train. I'm thrilled too, but I'm not delusional, this feels alot like the year we started 11-0 or whatever it was?

I just cannot ignore the big picture, no losing seasons is an accomplishment. When no losing seasons becomes the biggest defense against criticism, At that point it's like bragging about getting a diet coke with you're fast food. Diet coke will save you some calories but it really means zero.


Since 2011 Tomlin is 3-8 in the playoffs with a Hall of fame QB and the NFL #1WR and #1RB. Brown and Bell were not just #1 they were historically good.

Bell averaged 128+ yards from scrimmage per game for his entire career as a Steeler. Most in nfl history 2013-2017

Brown was #1 in Receptions 821, Receiving yards 11,400, and TD 74 from 2011-2018
837 rec, the second most receptions in league history through his first 9 seasons as a Steeler.
The second fastest WR in history to hit 11,000 yds (129 games)
The first and only player to have 100 receptions in six straight seasons
1 of 5 WR in history to have 100 rec and 15 TD in a season



Tomlin's Steelers have given up the most points in NFL history over the last 5 playoff losses. average of 40.5

What other coach can say they lost a playoff game to Tebow, Bortles and Mayfield?

Tomlins "next man up" is a good buzzword for the press. In reality the Steelers are 1-10 without TJ Watt

He's won nothing in 15+ years with historically good players, While laying the biggest playoff eggs that have ever been laid.

Tomlin is an above average coach with some real gifts, but winning when it counts is not his strong suit. Nothing personal, just the facts.

Now THAT is a great post. Thanks for all of that information supporting your point. I wasn't aware of a lot of that.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Yet he keeps on winning.

Looking at our history, once Noll lost Bradshaw, the Steelers went through a rough rough time.
Cowher had a rough patch.
Tomlin keeps figuring out ways to keep the Steelers winning

Yeah for Noll, it’s tough replacing your All-Pros when they were all retiring around the same time. Cowher’s rough patch was pre determined by his game philosophy; run the ball, play great defense, when you get the lead, chew up the clock with game managing QB. The two outliers to that philosophy, Kordell, to an extent Maddox, and Ben.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Yeah for Noll, it’s tough replacing your All-Pros when they were all retiring around the same time. Cowher’s rough patch was pre determined by his game philosophy; run the ball, play great defense, when you get the lead, chew up the clock with game managing QB. The two outliers to that philosophy, Kordell, to an extent Maddox, and Ben.

That's the philosphy Tomlin would LOVE to use. I think having Smith as his coordinator and having a comfort level with Russ let's him feel a little better about using play action and passing a "little" more. But, deep down, he's a defense guy and ball control offense based on running the ball coupled with playing great defense seems to be their M.O.

 

[BLITZ]

Yeah for Noll, it’s tough replacing your All-Pros when they were all retiring around the same time. Cowher’s rough patch was pre determined by his game philosophy; run the ball, play great defense, when you get the lead, chew up the clock with game managing QB. The two outliers to that philosophy, Kordell, to an extent Maddox, and Ben.

Yep. I am a total optimist. Maybe Tomlin is banking on that strategy working.
And who knows maybe this is our year!

 

[MT~Forged]

Each week he tries to prove that yes he is

 

[MT~Forged]

I have no personal problem with Tomlin, Out of all the head coaches in the NFL he is the one I'd most likely want to have a beer with. Seems like a cool charismatic guy.
I can give him credit when credit is due, like him Putting Russ in over fields for example.
I get it, at 5-2 everyone is on the Tomlin train. I'm thrilled too, but I'm not delusional, this feels alot like the year we started 11-0 or whatever it was?

I just cannot ignore the big picture, no losing seasons is an accomplishment. When no losing seasons becomes the biggest defense against criticism, At that point it's like bragging about getting a diet coke with you're fast food. Diet coke will save you some calories but it really means zero.


Since 2011 Tomlin is 3-8 in the playoffs with a Hall of fame QB and the NFL #1WR and #1RB. Brown and Bell were not just #1 they were historically good.

Bell averaged 128+ yards from scrimmage per game for his entire career as a Steeler. Most in nfl history 2013-2017

Brown was #1 in Receptions 821, Receiving yards 11,400, and TD 74 from 2011-2018
837 rec, the second most receptions in league history through his first 9 seasons as a Steeler.
The second fastest WR in history to hit 11,000 yds (129 games)
The first and only player to have 100 receptions in six straight seasons
1 of 5 WR in history to have 100 rec and 15 TD in a season



Tomlin's Steelers have given up the most points in NFL history over the last 5 playoff losses. average of 40.5

What other coach can say they lost a playoff game to Tebow, Bortles and Mayfield?

Tomlins "next man up" is a good buzzword for the press. In reality the Steelers are 1-10 without TJ Watt

He's won nothing in 15+ years with historically good players, While laying the biggest playoff eggs that have ever been laid.

Tomlin is an above average coach with some real gifts, but winning when it counts is not his strong suit. Nothing personal, just the facts.

If his EGO would just allow him to let his coordinators run things he might grade out better. He has all the qualities you want in a HC except hiring quality coaches and the decent ones he does get, he handcuffs them.

 

[MT~Forged]

That's the philosphy Tomlin would LOVE to use. I think having Smith as his coordinator and having a comfort level with Russ let's him feel a little better about using play action and passing a "little" more. But, deep down, he's a defense guy and ball control offense based on running the ball coupled with playing great defense seems to be their M.O.

Tomlin’s philosophy isn’t really that different than Cowher’s was.

Two big differences though:
1. Cowher was a great defensive minded coach that had the skills to recognize coaching talent, and didn’t micro manage them
2. That ws a different era of football. The D you need to run to counter offensive strategies, has been outlawed. This era also requires a great offensive mind, which Tomlin is soooooooooo far from being

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I get it, at 5-2 everyone is on the Tomlin train. I'm thrilled too, but I'm not delusional, this feels alot like the year we started 11-0 or whatever it was?

That was 2020, the Covid year. Our opponents all had several starters out with the 'Rona every week while the Steelers remained relatively healthy.
The Pittsburgh area in general was not hit as bad as other parts of the country.
When the rest of the league got healthy and over the 'Rona then the Steelers lost 5 of their last 6.

Also to your point, we have not played any division games yet. The Stains aren't that good so that could be two wins but it is easily likely that we split with the Rats and Bungles.

 

[SteveA]

Moving Watt around has been genius...DABO just said BECAUSE the Steelers moved Watt around more than usual it confused Daniel Jones as they were "supposed" to have a TE cover....

Tomlins D making adjustments and an opposing coach saying it totally changed the outcome of the game as he admits they were unprepared for that..

FIRE TOMLIN...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Well DABO has been underwhelming and looking surprised for a couple years now, I’m not gonna anoint Mike some sort of genius for do something every coach in the league has been doing (stumping Dabo) and something many posters here have suggested for years…moving Watt around

17 years in he’d better have an advantage over a poor coach or THAT would be surprising.

Also surprised a 17 year coach didn’t know he couldn’t challenge a previously reviewed play or that he couldn’t control the clock to end a half with only 1 timeout cuz he pissed the other away.

2 sides to every coin

EXTEND TOMLIN, SBWHCNHALS
We’re truly witnessing greatness
17 straight Tomlinships
Gonna need a new trophy case soon

 

[slashsteel]

Moving Watt around has been genius...DABO just said BECAUSE the Steelers moved Watt around more than usual it confused Daniel Jones as they were "supposed" to have a TE cover....

Tomlins D making adjustments and an opposing coach saying it totally changed the outcome of the game as he admits they were unprepared for that..

FIRE TOMLIN...

Think it was Mike’s idea?

 

[SteveA]

Think it was Mike’s idea?

He’s the head coach. He’s responsible for everything. It doesn’t matter whose idea it is.

But since everyone always says Tomlin is all in the defense maybe it was his idea, but it doesn’t really matter

Tomlin kicks asss and people can’t stand it

I’m just loving how all the Tomlin haters just can’t ******* go away

But they all look stupid

Not a good time to be a Tomlin hater…

 

[stillwright]

He’s the head coach. He’s responsible for everything. It doesn’t matter whose idea it is.

But since everyone always says Tomlin is all in the defense maybe it was his idea, but it doesn’t really matter

Tomlin kicks asss and people can’t stand it

I’m just loving how all the Tomlin haters just can’t ******* go away

But they all look stupid

Not a good time to be a Tomlin hater…

Agreed....until the playoffs arrive that is.

I am sure this year will be different though. At least hopefully it will be. Get it done Mike!!!

 

[SteveA]

Agreed....until the playoffs arrive that is.

Well ain’t you just a cute lil’ Debby Downer….

 

[BLITZ]

Out of curiosity who really thinks a NFL head coach is dumb? Even the worst NFL coach ever whomever you think that might be. Is probs super smart

 

[stillwright]

Out of curiosity who really thinks a NFL head coach is dumb? Even the worst NFL coach ever whomever you think that might be. Is probs super smart

Well, there has to be the dumbest coach ever and of course the smartest coach ever......Tomlin is somewhere in between I am guessing..

 

[BLITZ]

Well, there has to be the dumbest coach ever and of course the smartest coach ever......Tomlin is somewhere in between I am guessing..

But the dumbest coach is probs still a very smart person

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Agreed....until the playoffs arrive that is.

I am sure this year will be different though. At least hopefully it will be. Get it done Mike!!!

Right there with ya bro…

Hope like hell that we ain’t drinking the kool aid again just to find out it’s still Groundhogs Day…but of course we’re all drinking the kool aid right now cuz we’re some thirsty *******.

I’m loving the ride, but been down this path before year after year after year after year after year after year after year as we all have…get your hopes up in the season and than wham bam one and done…happy Groundhogs day!

Until Tomlin proves capable of not going ultra conservative in the playoffs we’re simply on pace to locking up another Tomlinship earlier than usual. drinking that kool aid only to find out he forgot to put the sugar in it again!!!

I’ll believe this year is different when proven it’s different, how’s the sayin go? Fool me once shame on you, fool me eight times in a row shame on the moron that got fooled eight times in a row.

Please make this the year I get some crow served up and some sugar in my kool aid to wash it down Mike

 

[slashsteel]

He’s the head coach. He’s responsible for everything. It doesn’t matter whose idea it is.

But since everyone always says Tomlin is all in the defense maybe it was his idea, but it doesn’t really matter

Tomlin kicks asss and people can’t stand it

I’m just loving how all the Tomlin haters just can’t ******* go away

But they all look stupid

Not a good time to be a Tomlin hater…

Who is this directed at? Thinking it is a possibility that the D coach came up with the idea isn’t equal to hating on Mike. Just because he signs off on everything doesn’t mean he gets credit for every idea. If it was idea yeah he gets credit.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Also surprised a 17 year coach didn’t know he couldn’t challenge a previously reviewed play or that he couldn’t control the clock to end a half with only 1 timeout cuz he pissed the other away.

2 sides to every coin

EXTEND TOMLIN, SBWHCNHALS
We’re truly witnessing greatness
17 straight Tomlinships
Gonna need a new trophy case soon

Already addressed this in another thread, but during his presser after the game Tomlin said he didn’t know the play was reviewed. In fact, only those watching/listening to the broadcast knew Replay Assist had been used to confirm the call. RA isn’t triggered by anyone in the stadium, it’s done in NY, like a silent Sky Judge. Had the official told him it had been reviewed by RA he wouldn’t have challenged the call.

 

[Badcat]

He’s the head coach. He’s responsible for everything. It doesn’t matter whose idea it is.

But since everyone always says Tomlin is all in the defense maybe it was his idea, but it doesn’t really matter

Tomlin kicks asss and people can’t stand it

I’m just loving how all the Tomlin haters just can’t ******* go away

But they all look stupid

Not a good time to be a Tomlin hater…

look at you slurping that choad.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Already addressed this in another thread, but during his presser after the game Tomlin said he didn’t know the play was reviewed. In fact, only those watching/listening to the broadcast knew Replay Assist had been used to confirm the call. RA isn’t triggered by anyone in the stadium, it’s done in NY, like a silent Sky Judge. Had the official told him it had been reviewed by RA he wouldn’t have challenged the call.

That’s when a wise man would use his words and simply ask the ref he’s been standing next to for 5 minutes before dropping the red challenge flag like a rookie HC

 

[fedderone]

Tomlin can handle things. He's smaht. Not like everyone says... like dumb. He's smaht and deserves respect.

Booted - You're my brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with Tomlin against the family again.