Trade ben now!!!!

[topseed]

No no no, don't you GET IT? Because our just passed for 500 yards or more for the second time in his career, just threw for 6 touchdowns for two consecutive games quarterback MIGHT not be playing at this level FIVE years from now, we NEED to DEAL him NOW, while we can! You people really don't understand football. You see, you wait till your quarterback is having the best several game stretch he has ever had, and THAT is when you try to trade him, nevermind that you've been putting wr's, a good Oline, and running backs on team for years now trying to get to this point, this is EXACTLY when you want to nullify all that talent by picking up a journeyman quarterback, or an unknown quality from the draft so you can spend the next 10 years or so getting the absolute least out of all that talent.

After all, we'll have DRAFT PICKS!

Woo hoo!

Joe

A good Oline. Really?

LOL. Yes, you sure do understand football.

 

[insaniti]

Interesting that you feel compelled to tell me what I can and can't do particularly when I just did.

Whatever floats your boat, just expect that no one will take you seriously as that as your argument.

First of all, it's kind of hard to give you examples of whom the Steelers might sign in the year 2016. Difficult to know who'll be available two years from now.

Um, again, no, it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever. Of course the Colts were able to give Manning a big contract IN HIS PRIME and they were able to compete. No ****. Franchise quarterbacks IN THEIR PRIME are fundamental to success. Once more, I don't have any problem with Ben's current contract, because he signed it IN HIS PRIME, and is still performing.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. Ben's future deal will reward a great career; however, for its majority, he will NOT BE IN HIS PRIME. He'll be 34 when it starts, and the glory days of 12 touchdowns in 2 games will be faded memories by 36 or 37, and his performance will suffer because of his age and the beating he's taken...yet they will still be paying him like he's IN HIS PRIME.

What dream scenario of mine are you talking about? I'm hopeful (but doubtful) that Ben takes a hometown discount. Your "real life logic" is based on a hope and a prayer that a guy who has already been sacked over 400 times, been absolutely crushed on a countless number of big hits behind mostly questionable offensive lines for ten years and counting, and already been concussed in a motorcycle accident is somehow going to be able to perform at the same level in his mid to late thirties as he is now. Good luck with that dream.

Why is the motorcycle accident even being brought up? That was 9 years ago, any effects that would have shortened his career are well over with. Eli Manning has taken shots as big as Ben, hasn't missed a game. Brett Favre, as I already mentioned was hit a TON over 20 years, he was just fine until his final year in the league. You THINK it's a given, that is your opinion, that Ben will decline. It's not based on facts, it's based on pure conjecture. And calling others idiots when they don't agree with your opinionated guess is about as dumb as you claiming it IS a fact.

 

[t-man]

A good Oline. Really?

LOL. Yes, you sure do understand football.

3 sacks in the last two games. But of course you're right, plenty of quarterbacks throw for 6td games two weeks in a row behind a ****** oline.

Joe

 

[t-man]

Last time we won a Superbowl, our offensive line consisted of-

Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Darnell Stapleton
Willie Colon

That group was good enough to get us a ring, although we had a better defense that year.

And you do realize, if you're actually arguing that our line sucks, putting a new quarterback behind it who doesn't have the escapability that Ben does is a bad idea, right?

So if you're right, you're wrong, and if you're wrong, you're wrong.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

3 sacks in the last two games. But of course you're right, plenty of quarterbacks throw for 6td games two weeks in a row behind a ****** oline.

Joe

Still, I think one would be hard-pressed to call our o-line good - YET. We've got big holes at LG and RT, an inconsistent C and RG, and a LT who has played well but is stretched physically at the position. I don't consider our line to be a top-20 unit when I consider how shaky they are on a week-to-week basis.

 

[t-man]

Still, I think one would be hard-pressed to call our o-line good - YET. We've got big holes at LG and RT, an inconsistent C and RG, and a LT who has played well but is stretched physically at the position. I don't consider our line to be a top-20 unit when I consider how shaky they are on a week-to-week basis.

I don't know how much I agree with this, Pouncey and DeCastro are pretty damn stellar, Beechum has been doing well, though no, I don't think he's the long term answer there, he's keeping Ben upright, the two question marks are Gilbert and Foster. We are averaging 4.3 YPC as a team, which is in the top half of the NFL, and our passing game is currently in 2nd place at 2600 plus yards. I know we haven't had our bye yet, so we will drop, but that just doesn't happen in the NFL if you have a piss poor line.

Joe

 

[t-man]

After last nights performance, we could most likely trade Ben for Dalton even up contracts and all before the game this Sunday. Just putting it out there.

Joe

 

[antdrewjosh]

If anybody thinks our OLine hasnt improved then you havent been watching the games

 

[Idioteque]

If anybody thinks our OLine hasnt improved then you havent been watching the games

They've played pretty well for two games. I'm not quite ready to say they're a "good" line yet, since I've been watching for several years. Just like I don't call Antwon Blake a "good" CB yet.

 

[t-man]

They've played pretty well for two games. I'm not quite ready to say they're a "good" line yet, since I've been watching for several years. Just like I don't call Antwon Blake a "good" CB yet.

Eh, it only takes 3 wins, sometimes 4 to win a SuperBowl. That's it, that's all the "good" games ya need to stack. Now, those wins are usually against pretty good teams, and you do need to play well enough during the season to get to play those games, but in reality, that's how the Superbowl is won. Put it together at the right time, and you're crowned the best in the NFL.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

Eh, it only takes 3 wins, sometimes 4 to win a SuperBowl. That's it, that's all the "good" games ya need to stack. Now, those wins are usually against pretty good teams, and you do need to play well enough during the season to get to play those games, but in reality, that's how the Superbowl is won. Put it together at the right time, and you're crowned the best in the NFL.

Joe

Good point. All I'm saying is that for me two good games doesn't erase 7 awful years of line play. I've seen our line perk up and get dominant for a game or two here and there only to slink back down immediately.

 

[t-man]

Good point. All I'm saying is that for me two good games doesn't erase 7 awful years of line play. I've seen our line perk up and get dominant for a game or two here and there only to slink back down immediately.

Mike Munchak.

Joe

 

[Wingman]

Eh, it only takes 3 wins, sometimes 4 to win a SuperBowl. That's it, that's all the "good" games ya need to stack. Now, those wins are usually against pretty good teams, and you do need to play well enough during the season to get to play those games, but in reality, that's how the Superbowl is won. Put it together at the right time, and you're crowned the best in the NFL.

Joe

I would disagree a great deal with this one and say it takes much more the 3 or 4 wins. It takes 3 or 4 wins against other playoff teams, after you have strung together likely more than ten wins against other good teams and some that are playing bad. It requires a lot to make the play offs most teams do not. I do get your point about the wins in the play offs but feel the route to those games is under emphasized by your post.

 

[Hines57]

Good point. All I'm saying is that for me two good games doesn't erase 7 awful years of line play. I've seen our line perk up and get dominant for a game or two here and there only to slink back down immediately.

Those 7 years of awful line play don't include any current OL though. Yes we had some bleak offensive (keyword offensive) lines in front of Ben and we still have question marks at time with both tackle positions and at LG. Only with a healthy Pouncey and DeCastro finally and an actual solid running game, Bell is outstanding at being patient and picking his spots where Mendenhall and Parker ran right into the backs of linemen. Now Ben can mix and match the run and passing game where before we couldn't and Ben had to run for his life to make plays.

Having tools at WR, Brown evolving into one of the best in the game and now other downfield threats does our offense become this multi-faceted. None of us are going to give this team a pass. We've all seen too often where we play well against good teams and **** the bed against teams like NYJ or the Raiders, the Titans last year. It happens far too often. Those are the teams we should always beat and that bumps our record up into top seed contendership.

We win these next two against teams with poor records and it just gets us that closer to meaningful December football games, staring January football right in the face. That's where we need to be, that and getting Shazier, Troy, Jarvis and Ike back healthy for a run at another trophy.

 

[Vader]

If you listen to Tunch this past week he talked about the OL. He said they are leaving up to 8 guys in to block on some plays. They are using 2 TEs and a RB to block the initial rush then allowing them to leak out on certain plays. Both Gilbert and Beachum are getting help from the TEs especially on longer pass plays.

 

[Idioteque]

Those 7 years of awful line play don't include any current OL though.

Foster and Gilbert have been garbage for 4+ years. This is Adams' third year. Those guys have sucked from the start.

 

[Superman]

something to consider...
if our OL is as atrocious as some of us believe, and even worse as others want to believe, then there must be some god-awful OLs out there.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/10/08/offensive-line-rankings-2/4/

4. Pittsburgh Steelers (15th)
PB:4th , RB: 9th, PEN: 30th

Stud: After a slow start Marcus Gilbert has really started to justify that new contract. He’s playing as well as any right tackle in the league these past three weeks, with just three hurries allowed and some impressive run blocking.

Dud: Filling in for Ramon Foster proved hard work for Cody Wallace who had his issues. Still when your backup guard fills in and is below average, you can handle that.

Summary: It’s taken a while for this group to come together, but they’ve really started to this year. Devoid of significant injuries, David DeCastro and Maurkice Pouncey are playing as well as ever, while Kelvin Beachum has developed into a more than serviceable talent.

they have our OL as the 4th BEST in the league. WTF?
I'm finding it hard to believe, but this is assumingly an unbiased source.

Or maybe we're a bit "spoiled" with previous Steelers OLs and revisionist history doesn't let us remember some of the bad games/plays.

 

[Superman]

If you listen to Tunch this past week he talked about the OL. He said they are leaving up to 8 guys in to block on some plays. They are using 2 TEs and a RB to block the initial rush then allowing them to leak out on certain plays. Both Gilbert and Beachum are getting help from the TEs especially on longer pass plays.

that's interesting, isn't it?
by doing that, the LBs must come in, but also maintain some space since the TE/RB will be leaking out. Thus creating some huge holes in the secondary.

 

[Vader]

Or maybe we're a bit "spoiled" with previous Steelers OLs and revisionist history doesn't let us remember some of the bad games/plays.

Or maybe profootballfocus.com is full of ****? Maybe people want to believe so badly that they will make up stuff like the Steeler OL is better than the Dallas OL? Look at this gem:

Stud: After a slow start Marcus Gilbert has really started to justify that new contract. He’s playing as well as any right tackle in the league these past three weeks, with just three hurries allowed and some impressive run blocking.

They don't even know that Gilbert was hurt in the Houston game and didn't even play against the Colts. But he's the best RT in the league these past three week???? BAHAHAAHA What a joke.

 

[Wingman]

something to consider...
if our OL is as atrocious as some of us believe, and even worse as others want to believe, then there must be some god-awful OLs out there.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/10/08/offensive-line-rankings-2/4/


they have our OL as the 4th BEST in the league. WTF?
I'm finding it hard to believe, but this is assumingly an unbiased source.

Or maybe we're a bit "spoiled" with previous Steelers OLs and revisionist history doesn't let us remember some of the bad games/plays.

Khaled Elsayed | October 8, 2014 This is the guy writing this stuff and it is for sale. Not sure he is that reliable a source, not sure he is not either. It does not seem to address from that little bit how he comes up with his rankings. What happened to the guy that was the zar of the playbook last year?,I have not seen any of his stuff this year. Sometimes I think those guys are just guys on message boards that have done a better job on marketing their opinions than some of the guys on here. There are some guys on here that go to great lengths and put in lots of effort to crunch numbers for things they post on here. I think they are likely just as good.

 

[Vader]

Khaled Elsayed | October 8, 2014 This is the guy writing this stuff and it is for sale. Not sure he is that reliable a source, not sure he is not either. It does not seem to address from that little bit how he comes up with his rankings. What happened to the guy that was the zar of the playbook last year?,I have not seen any of his stuff this year. Sometimes I think those guys are just guys on message boards that have done a better job on marketing their opinions than some of the guys on here. There are some guys on here that go to great lengths and put in lots of effort to crunch numbers for things they post on here. I think they are likely just as good.

I didn't even see the date. That's over a month old when the Steelers just beat the powerful Jags and right before they lost to the clowns.

 

[Wingman]

I didn't even see the date. That's over a month old when the Steelers just beat the powerful Jags and right before they lost to the clowns.

Thus my post above we have guys on here that do much better evals than that.

 

[topseed]

Whatever floats your boat, just expect that no one will take you seriously as that as your argument.



Why is the motorcycle accident even being brought up? That was 9 years ago, any effects that would have shortened his career are well over with. Eli Manning has taken shots as big as Ben, hasn't missed a game. Brett Favre, as I already mentioned was hit a TON over 20 years, he was just fine until his final year in the league. You THINK it's a given, that is your opinion, that Ben will decline. It's not based on facts, it's based on pure conjecture. And calling others idiots when they don't agree with your opinionated guess is about as dumb as you claiming it IS a fact.

Glad to see you finally can comprehend the difference between Manning's Colts contract and Ben's future contract, since you failed to mention it again.

As far as the motorcycle accident no longer having any effects, the AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) might disagree with you. In a 2013 report, their research clearly indicated that damage to the brain caused by concussion can last for decades after the original head trauma. But thanks for your input anyway, doc.

You keep on bringing up Eli Manning, but although he came in the league at the same time as Ben, he's been sacked 140 less times. Not really the same, is it? And Brett Favre, good as he was, won his only championship at the age of 27. It is not my opinion, it's the nature of the human body. Your opinionated guess that Ben will be performing just as well at 37 as he did at 27 is much further away from the reality of what happens to the vast majority of NFL quarterbacks.

And I only call other people idiots after they've done so to me.

 

[topseed]

3 sacks in the last two games. But of course you're right, plenty of quarterbacks throw for 6td games two weeks in a row behind a ****** oline.

Joe

Wow, a two game sample size. Nice work. By God, the line is awesome!

I guess the other 406 sacks don't count.

 

[topseed]

Last time we won a Superbowl, our offensive line consisted of-

Max Starks
Chris Kemoeatu
Justin Hartwig
Darnell Stapleton
Willie Colon

That group was good enough to get us a ring, although we had a better defense that year.

And you do realize, if you're actually arguing that our line sucks, putting a new quarterback behind it who doesn't have the escapability that Ben does is a bad idea, right?

So if you're right, you're wrong, and if you're wrong, you're wrong.

Joe

I'm arguing that Ben hasn't played behind a good line for most of his career, which is evidenced by the fact that he's already on the top ten list of getting sacked after only 10+ years in the league. Eli Manning and Philip Rivers are 50th and 53rd on that list, btw.

Using examples like Chris Kemoeatu and Darnell Stapleton as highlights doesn't particularly strengthen your argument.

I'm not saying it's a good idea to put anybody behind the current line. It will be a good idea to have the resources available to make it better. Although it is the defense that is my main concern with this team.