Trubisky or Rudolph?

[slashsteel]

I think they have about an equal chance of winning with Mitch and Rudy (MT fared slightly better last year despite playing a much more difficult schedule). The fact that there is such little distinction in skill level between our #1, 2, 3 is a huge cause of concern.

For example, I am not quite sure the offense will look any better/worse if KP can't play this Sunday. Does that sound like the makings of a Franchise QB?

And yes, I agree that the story is still being written. But if you were a betting man, would you put $$ on KP becoming an upper echelon QB? And if so, why?

Do I think he will become one? Doesn't look like it now, but with all the mitigating factors it is hard to place a bet. Canada is road blocking for me a conclusion, the O-line coach is road blocking a conclusion. I guess I wouldn't put my money on either scenario as I really just don't know. I would lean towards of course no...but for me very much a wait and see.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Right Twix or left Twix?

 

[slashsteel]

I’m very sure if we traded up for Stroud or Young this year, not one thing would be different… I don’t think people understand how ****** our O is this year… unless either the oline gets a ton better as it gels, or we restructure our wr routes, we are pretty much doomed…

At this point they need to get an offense established before they worry about bringing in a big asset sink at QB… otherwise we are just going to be the Browns…

Damn good example. Browns ruined many of QBs. Steelers are following the same path with Kenny ... definitely a possible outcome.

 

[FordFairLane]

I think they have about an equal chance of winning with Mitch and Rudy (MT fared slightly better last year despite playing a much more difficult schedule). The fact that there is such little distinction in skill level between our #1, 2, 3 is a huge cause of concern.

For example, I am not quite sure the offense will look any better/worse if KP can't play this Sunday. Does that sound like the makings of a Franchise QB?

And yes, I agree that the story is still being written. But if you were a betting man, would you put $$ on KP becoming an upper echelon QB? And if so, why?

100%.

Some QB's do take longer to develop but as stated earlier Kenny was supposed to be a high floor guy so the fact his floor so far has been low is pretty concerning on how high his ceiling is. At this point if someone asked me what my ceiling for Kenny was I would have to say the best we might get is Marc Bulger. Now you put Kenny on a team with a running back like Steven Jackson and two receivers like Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt you might get a 4k season out of him one day. That isn't bad. Not great either.

But I will tell you right now if you bring Justin Herbert in here RIGHT NOW our offense is completely different. Maybe not top 5 but I would say top half for sure and top 10 wouldn't surprise me. But he is an elite QB and guys like that just don't fall of trees.

 

[slashsteel]

Hebert would get plummeted behind the Steeler O-line and have subpar results under Canada.

No way does a QB come here and thrive.

Remember the rocky year Mahomie had with a ****** O-line? That was the best QB in the NFL and one of the best OC/head coaches

But by all means continue with the next QB you shoot out of your arse.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Hebert would get plummeted behind the Steeler O-line and have subpar results under Canada.

No way does a QB come here and thrive.

Remember the rocky year Mahomie had with a ****** O-line? That was the best QB in the NFL and one of the best OC/head coaches

But by all means continue with the next QB you shoot out of your arse.

In Mahomes down year, with no O-Line or receivers, he had nearly 3x the TD's as KP has during his 17 game career. And Herbert's rookie year is equally as impressive.

A true franchise QB would make this O look infinitely better, because thats what they do- elevate the entire team around them. Their greatness doesn't depend on having a perfect environment.

Now would we be a 40+ point team? Absolutely not, given the playbook and talent. But KP left at least 14 points on the board on Sunday with his decision making, walking into sacks, etc. And that typically does not occur with Elite QB's, or QB's on their way to becoming elite (i.e. Stroud).

 

[Steel Reign]

So far we have seen a few QBs under the Canada system. I won't blame any QB playing in his system. If I were a new QB in the league and trying to make my mark and learned Canada would be my OC I would cry, dig a hole and bury myself.

Also, I am not defending Pickett. But holy crap did he get screwed with Canada as his OC and Tomlin as his head coach. Neither have any idea about offense or developing a QB.

 

[TDX27]

Damn good example. Browns ruined many of QBs. Steelers are following the same path with Kenny ... definitely a possible outcome.

I've been saying this for a while. Canaduh is going to ruin KP just as the Clowns ruined so many top QB's they drafted.

 

[Steel Reign]

In Mahomes down year, with no O-Line or receivers, he had nearly 3x the TD's as KP has during his 17 game career. And Herbert's rookie year is equally as impressive.

A true franchise QB would make this O look infinitely better, because thats what they do- elevate the entire team around them. Their greatness doesn't depend on having a perfect environment.

Now would we be a 40+ point team? Absolutely not, given the playbook and talent. But KP left at least 14 points on the board on Sunday with his decision making, walking into sacks, etc. And that typically does not occur with Elite QB's, or QB's on their way to becoming elite (i.e. Stroud).

Stroud played great. Did you notice how his OC and HC used a smart gameplan to embarrass Tomlin (the D coordinator) and Canada (the very offensive coordinator)? Also, being focused on true franchise QBs (i.e., top 3-5 in the league) then every team not having that should just pack up and go home. You don't need a top 1-5 QB to win. You can't have a 32 but this nonstop focus by people on "we have to have the best of the best or we have ****) gets tiring.

 

[xjx]

I think Kenny will always be what we see right now. I think we need to draft a qb next year and shake Rudy loose.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Stroud played great. Did you notice how his OC and HC used a smart gameplan to embarrass Tomlin (the D coordinator) and Canada (the very offensive coordinator)? Also, being focused on true franchise QBs (i.e., top 3-5 in the league) then every team not having that should just pack up and go home. You don't need a top 1-5 QB to win. You can't have a 32 but this nonstop focus by people on "we have to have the best of the best or we have ****) gets tiring.

Did you also see how comfortable Stroud was in the pockett? How he went through his progression? How he didnt spin around and turn his back to the play and right into a sack?

I agree with the top-5 thing. I consider a Franchise QB to be comfortably in the top-10 conversation. If you don't have one of those (i.e. Titans with Tannehill) then you need things to be absolutely perfect. You need a great defense, a great line, a great RB, and a creative OC. The margin of error is incredibly tight and the championship window is miniscule. I personally think its simply easier to look for a top-10 guy.

Also, this is a moot point because right now we would be lucky if KP turns out to be a Tannehill level talent (Top 15-20).

 

[FordFairLane]

https://x.com/blitz_burgh/status/1709355457117069645?s=46&t=ZuxQqtEnM9ItmlxOIWOy9A

The difference between elite and average.

 

[FordFairLane]

You know what I want everyone to do. Watch these two videos. Now that the Big Ben Shadow has faded a little.



24 years old 5-3 176/283 62.2% 1,765 yards 13td 9int



24 years old 7-5 245/389 63% 2,404 yards 7td 9int

Now looking back was Mason that bad or perhaps the expectations were a little higher for him coming in for Ben who the year before lead the league with 5,129 yards and 34 tds.

 

[slashsteel]

In Mahomes down year, with no O-Line or receivers, he had nearly 3x the TD's as KP has during his 17 game career. And Herbert's rookie year is equally as impressive.

A true franchise QB would make this O look infinitely better, because thats what they do- elevate the entire team around them. Their greatness doesn't depend on having a perfect environment.

Now would we be a 40+ point team? Absolutely not, given the playbook and talent. But KP left at least 14 points on the board on Sunday with his decision making, walking into sacks, etc. And that typically does not occur with Elite QB's, or QB's on their way to becoming elite (i.e. Stroud).

We don't have a Andy to add into the equation. You would need Reid here then I would agree.

 

[Steel Reign]

Did you also see how comfortable Stroud was in the pockett? How he went through his progression? How he didnt spin around and turn his back to the play and right into a sack?

Again, the OC was calling a lot of quick to semi-quick passes. Did exactly what our OC refuses (quick passes, utilizing the middle and near middle). Kept our D off of him because the passes came out quick. Made it easy on Stroud because he knew he had 1-2 guys on quick plays each time. He barely needed to read. Our D sucks covering the middle, particularly in zone.

Game literally may have been different if we flipped OCs with them.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Again, the OC was calling a lot of quick to semi-quick passes. Did exactly what our OC refuses (quick passes, utilizing the middle and near middle). Kept our D off of him because the passes came out quick. Made it easy on Stroud because he knew he had 1-2 guys on quick plays each time. He barely needed to read. Our D sucks covering the middle, particularly in zone.

Game literally may have been different if we flipped OCs with them.

So you are blaming this on the OC?





Notice that there are several open men, but KP's lack of pocket presence and lack of arm strength cause him to bail (in the wrong direction mind you)

 

[FordFairLane]

Again, the OC was calling a lot of quick to semi-quick passes. Did exactly what our OC refuses (quick passes, utilizing the middle and near middle). Kept our D off of him because the passes came out quick. Made it easy on Stroud because he knew he had 1-2 guys on quick plays each time. He barely needed to read. Our D sucks covering the middle, particularly in zone.

Game literally may have been different if we flipped OCs with them.

Stroud also stood in the pocket and made some deep throws. As seen above Kenny ran out of a clean pockets moments before his receiver came open. That is on him. I get it. Canada isn't good. But a better QB would make more plays. It's a perfect storm. Everyone is mediocre from the HC, OC, DC, to QB and RB. Just a bunch of average on this team.

 

[slashsteel]

So you are blaming this on the OC?





Notice that there are several open men, but KP's lack of pocket presence and lack of arm strength cause him to bail (in the wrong direction mind you)

I don't think it is a lack of arm strength. It is happy feet from being pocket scared. Then it is old college habits that aren't being corrected. That would be his positional coach.

So to recap. ****** OC, ****** O-line coach, ****** QB coach,****** WR coach and a QB not erasing bad habits plus dealing with bad coaching & scheme.

That is lot for a green QB to overcome.

Perhaps a decent vet could come with less bad habits, but still would face the rest of the problems.

So the right one would what squeeze out a few more victories and the Steelers would still be captain mediocre?

Yeah that might just prolong the process of cleaning house.

 

[Steelmann]

So far we have seen a few QBs under the Canada system. I won't blame any QB playing in his system. If I were a new QB in the league and trying to make my mark and learned Canada would be my OC I would cry, dig a hole and bury myself.

Also, I am not defending Pickett. But holy crap did he get screwed with Canada as his OC and Tomlin as his head coach. Neither have any idea about offense or developing a QB.

I thought about this also with our WR’s and TE’s. Can you imagine what this costs these guys when it comes to contract time. Having our subpar schemes and our subpar QB play. Who in their right mind would want to come here as a FA or draft choice until this **** is fixed? I was very surprised when DJ signed to be honest with you. Poor Pat. Getting thrown to a couple times a game. Darnell never even being targeted. It’s costing these guys a fortune.

 

[FordFairLane]

So you are blaming this on the OC?





Notice that there are several open men, but KP's lack of pocket presence and lack of arm strength cause him to bail (in the wrong direction mind you)

When you have Kenny Obsession you look at that and say it's every and anyone's fault but Kenny Boy. He is infallible.

 

[slashsteel]

Nobody has a Kenny obsession but you patch. Your dislike for KP runs deep ever since your Red nosed third stringer didn't get the accolades you desired.

Actually most posters again it won't sink in but again are taking a wait and see approach and aren't happy with Kenny overall. But grasp that he has a lot on his plate.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

They all need to go. The whole offense system is an unmitigated disaster and they do not have the people (those aged under 12) to run this sad system. Mason is a statue and is unable to move before the pocket collapses in on him. Trubisky is mobile but is an abject failure when it comes to reading a defense and passing the ball. Pickett has been ruined by Canada and his WTF playcalls. Tomlin is responsible for allowing the installation this architectural mess sketched out by the likes of Escher and Salvador Dali on a bad acid trip.

That said, I think Mason has the best chance of success at QB until the year is mercifully over and a new scapegoat is annointed. This is only because opposing teams will not be so inclined to stack the box when he is in at QB, since he can on occasion launch a deep ball successfully. The threat of the deep pass will cause the safeties to stay back to defend the deep ball, thus, allowing the run game a chance to work.

 

[Litos]

So you are blaming this on the OC?





Notice that there are several open men, but KP's lack of pocket presence and lack of arm strength cause him to bail (in the wrong direction mind you)

There's no open receiver any ******* where, the playcall is absolute bullshit in that video

 

[slashsteel]

There's no open receiver any ******* where, the playcall is absolute bullshit in that video

Looked like Kenny drifted towards the pressure as well. But yeah some ****** route concepts...

 

[FordFairLane]

There's no open receiver any ******* where, the playcall is absolute bullshit in that video

Sorry man but you really need to see the play from another viewpoint. THIS was a big play that Kenny missed. Pickens is open for a big gain and Kenny doesn't pull the trigger. The more I watch Kenny the more it looks like he doesn't read zone very well and doesn't seem to trust his accuracy. Fast forward to 11:19 below and you will see that play from another angle. The play action held the LB like it was supposed to and if Kenny throws to the hole Pickens is off to the races. So, it was a good play call that was executed horribly.