Trump - Make America Great Again!

[SteelerInLebanon]

TIb's you seem slightly more intelligent than some of the other left wing posters on here. Let me ask you a few questions.

1. Do you really believe the fiscal plan of the Democrats currently in charge is good?
Simple economics says their methods don't work. Human nature will never accept the utopia that the left dreams of. There has to be a reward for hard work and a downside to not working and making stupid choices in your life. I do not want people to suffer but I also know that in our current state of evolution we are not ready for a society that is based on total equality in resources and wages and work. Their is no incentive there and no one will end up doing anything. Capitalism with all it's false is the best of many imperfect solutions as long as it is regulated fairly but not over regulated. Big government in inherently inefficient, you have to see that. If I want to help someone less fortunate than I am much better off giving directly than letting a bloated corrupt government try to do it. Hell even many so called charities are bloated and corrupt.

2. Do you really think giving Illegal Aliens a path to legality before fixing the border is smart?
Would that not just give more incentive to others to come here illegally? I am certainly not against immigration but think we have to fix the system and give mexico incentive to fix their problems to stem the tide of illegal border crossings. This country was built on immigrants and that is a good thing but they came here legally.

3. Why do inner city schools that spend more per student than a rural school not have better outcomes? Is it the teachers fault, the students, the parents?

4. What is going to take for people to find a common purpose and learn to work through their differences and stop just blaming each other?


I would truly like to understand why someone who ostensibly is a good hearted person, as I would like to hope that a liberal would be, not be able to grasp that many of the very things they do to help others in fact is doing the opposite. I believe that the rank and file liberal or democratic voter has good intentions but just as I think the far right has lost their way I truly believe the controlling Democrats are only making decision based on what keeps them in power not what truly empowers people to fix their situation.

I think Trump is crazy I don't want to see him as president any more than I want to see Sanders but I think they both have good intentions unlike a Clinton, or Perry or the other crazies. Sanders is a good if misguided person,sort of like Kucinich who truly believes what he says and does not care what opinions others have. Many of the candidates we have are only in it for themselves.

 

[IndySteel]

What's coming? That bozo Trump is gonna win over the hardcore GOP base, some tea partiers, gun nuts, anti-abortionists and other angry white old men? That's been working great for ya'll these past eight years in presidential elections. Or....that far-right wackadoos are gonna go on a killing spree and start a civil war in America? Or....that you'll continue your online machismo and spew angst & hatred for years to come? Or...what?

If Trump is the nominee then it will be a Reaganesque landslide victory for him. The doubters will sober up as they learn more. The socialist / leftist values of punishing the achievers and rewarding the takers have woken up the doers. The last two R's have been blah, and we didn't show up. Now we have a real voice and we're angry. And you Commies are ******.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Tell me what is your alternative to capitalism?

BTW robots break down, are expensive, and require regular maintenance and upkeep. It takes people (or workers) to do that. I worked in manufacturing for years. Seriously you know nothing about economics, manufacturing or economic systems. Please stop. You're making yourself look like an idiot.

You're correct to an extent.

Given that machines are human inventions, there will always be a need for human input at some point whether it be 50 years from now when humans are needed to repair the machines that repair the machines that repair the machines.

However, this is definitely deflationary when it comes to the overall value of labor (wages), as less human input is required in the production of what others need/want.

It's scary to think about, but since the financial collapse, the Federal Reserve has kept interbank rates near zero for nearly seven years now, and despite soaring retail sales, wage growth has remained stagnant, implying a glaring excess of working age people in the U.S. economy.

We're in trouble, and I'd be naive to suggest that I even remotely know what the legit solutions would be.

 

[Vader]

You're correct to an extent.

Given that machines are human inventions, there will always be a need for human input at some point whether it be 50 years from now when humans are needed to repair the machines that repair the machines that repair the machines.

However, this is definitely deflationary when it comes to the overall value of labor (wages), as less human input is required in the production of what others need/want.

It's scary to think about, but since the financial collapse, the Federal Reserve has kept interbank rates near zero for nearly seven years now, and despite soaring retail sales, wage growth has remained stagnant, implying a glaring excess of working age people in the U.S. economy.

We're in trouble, and I'd be naive to suggest that I even remotely know what the legit solutions would be.

I worked in manufacturing for over 10 years. Robots (which is a fancy word for what most really do) are very expensive to buy and upkeep. I was in a factory that had several and finally threw them out. When a machine doesn't work it shuts everything down. When a person doesn't show up you find someone else to do the job.

The reason the economy sucks is very obvious. Corporate profits are high but they won't reinvest it in business because of uncertainty. Since BHO has taken office there have been tons of new regulations. I know many business people and they all tell me the same thing. They refuse to expand because of the ACA, EPA, new regulations ETC....

Until this is resolved the U.S. is going to have millions of people out of work and wages stagnant.

 

[Tibs]

1. Do you really believe the fiscal plan of the Democrats currently in charge is good? Simple economics says their methods don't work. Human nature will never accept the utopia that the left dreams of. There has to be a reward for hard work and a downside to not working and making stupid choices in your life. I do not want people to suffer but I also know that in our current state of evolution we are not ready for a society that is based on total equality in resources and wages and work. Their is no incentive there and no one will end up doing anything. Capitalism with all it's false is the best of many imperfect solutions as long as it is regulated fairly but not over regulated. Big government in inherently inefficient, you have to see that. If I want to help someone less fortunate than I am much better off giving directly than letting a bloated corrupt government try to do it. Hell even many so called charities are bloated and corrupt.

Well, there is a lot of meat on the bone here to chew on, so I'll just make a few general comments. #1 I think history will show Obama's fiscal policies to be overridingly positive. Let's not forget the state of the economy he inherited when he took office. He stabilized both the auto and banking/financial industry, both huge moves which were somewhat downplayed at the time. It took a lot of guts to pump federal assets into the private sector to get it back on its feet. The Obama presidency has done wonders for the stock markets and the private sector. Of course everyone ignores that. Yeah, he's really jeopardizing "capitalism" in America, what a joke. I think it's crazy anyone thinks that Obama and the democrats are looking beyond "capitalism". These terms are bandied around, that Obama is a "socialist" or that libs want "socialism" For any of that to be true, you would need to completely break-down and rebuild the entire US economic model from the ground up. And that's not even close to happening. Libs seem to have more empathy and support more of a social net for the poor, ie universal health care, regulations on corporations, tax the rich -- while conservatives condone a more free-for-all model with less regulation, ie the rich get rich, the poor stay poor, the Darwinist model. Regardless, it's all capitalism, just different shades of grey.

2. Do you really think giving Illegal Aliens a path to legality before fixing the border is smart?
Would that not just give more incentive to others to come here illegally? I am certainly not against immigration but think we have to fix the system and give mexico incentive to fix their problems to stem the tide of illegal border crossings. This country was built on immigrants and that is a good thing but they came here legally.

I agree that the current system is broken, and that it has been for a long time. It's a chicken or the egg argument. I can see the reasoning behind saying, look, let's have a cut-off point, if you're here, your kids are here, you're contributing to society, you're not a criminal, you're in the labor force, or a student, let's find a path to citizenship. I would only support that if it's paired with a comprehensive overhaul of the entire system, including somehow securing the borders. I have my doubts anything they come up with can truly work, unless States & the Fed's somehow find common ground that everyone is on board with.

3. Why do inner city schools that spend more per student than a rural school not have better outcomes? Is it the teachers fault, the students, the parents?

The reality of inner city students is hard to grasp for anyone not familiar with it. I grew up in LA during the 80's when there was mandatory busing. My brother, sister and I were bused into south central LA for a few years, while the inner city kids came out to the suburbs. Then, after a year or two, it became voluntary, ie the white kids were no longer bused while the inner city kids - in smaller numbers - were able to attend the schools in the suburbs. I think it's mainly a socio-economic reality, ie single parents, high crime, drugs, et al being collectively the problem. I don't know what, if anything, can be done to alleviate this. I do know that there are incredibly sharp, talented, high IQ kids living in our inner cities that - when given the chance - are able to rise above the fray, attend universities and become success stories, be it as teachers, doctors, engineers et al.

4. What is going to take for people to find a common purpose and learn to work through their differences and stop just blaming each other?

Everyone needs to expand their sources and scope of information. The most dangerous thing is conservatives limiting their reading to the familiar, comfortable news sources, just watching Fox, or reading the 3-4 right-leaning sites, whatever it may be. Same thing with libs, that stay within the confines of information that's funneled to them. We need to re-learn our critical reading skills, to verify information, to get a different viewpoint. To basically develop the skill of taking a deep breath, to not jump to conclusions, to understand there may be more information out there than what we're initially exposed to. It boils down to all of us - me included - just being lazy. It's easy to react in a usual, comfortable way. It's difficult to take the time to look into stuff, to do some research, to try to come to better understanding. And more than anything, to understand the world doesn't care about right vs. left, democrat vs. republican. It's about friends, family, co-workers, et al. We're all in the same boat. Most of us are trying the best we can, to pay the bills, to raise our kids, to keep our marriages intact. Politics has driven a huge wedge between us.

I would truly like to understand why someone who ostensibly is a good hearted person, as I would like to hope that a liberal would be, not be able to grasp that many of the very things they do to help others in fact is doing the opposite. I believe that the rank and file liberal or democratic voter has good intentions but just as I think the far right has lost their way I truly believe the controlling Democrats are only making decision based on what keeps them in power not what truly empowers people to fix their situation.

Again, there needs to be a middle ground, both extremes, left or right, is going to take the country in a direction that is counter-productive and self-defeating.

I think Trump is crazy I don't want to see him as president any more than I want to see Sanders but I think they both have good intentions unlike a Clinton, or Perry or the other crazies. Sanders is a good if misguided person,sort of like Kucinich who truly believes what he says and does not care what opinions others have. Many of the candidates we have are only in it for themselves.

I don't know what to think about most of these presidential candidates. It's a big circus, a road show. As naïve as it is, the best form of government would be a little bit of all these varying ideas and personalities. Unfortunately for us, it always boils down to one candidate or a party. I've always been proud of my parents, who over the decades voted both Republican and Democrat, depending on the year. There was nothing set in stone, as far as parties and political affiliation. Who is the most level-headed candidate that is gonna do the least amount of harm, maybe even nudge the needle forward? I would guess this was their m.o. when heading to the voting booth. I try to follow their lead, but truth be told there's very little in the current GOP that I find attractive.

 

[Punxsutawney]

I worked in manufacturing for over 10 years. Robots (which is a fancy word for what most really do) are very expensive to buy and upkeep. I was in a factory that had several and finally threw them out. When a machine doesn't work it shuts everything down. When a person doesn't show up you find someone else to do the job.

The reason the economy sucks is very obvious. Corporate profits are high but they won't reinvest it in business because of uncertainty. Since BHO has taken office there have been tons of new regulations. I know many business people and they all tell me the same thing. They refuse to expand because of the ACA, EPA, new regulations ETC....

Until this is resolved the U.S. is going to have millions of people out of work and wages stagnant.

Look at the number of people required to produce a standard unit of meat, milk, or grain in the early 1880s compared to roughly fifty years later. The inconvenient, politically incorrect truth is that slavery was abolished only because technology rendered it uneconomical.

The same is in the early, albeit very early, stages of occurring in the factory space.

I strongly suggest you read up on the very rapid acceleration in artificial intelligence over the past 3-5 years and its increasing capabilities.

 

[Vader]

Look at the number of people required to produce a standard unit of meat, milk, or grain in the early 1880s compared to roughly fifty years later. The inconvenient, politically incorrect truth is that slavery was abolished only because technology rendered it uneconomical.

The same is in the early, albeit very early, stages of occurring in the factory space.

I strongly suggest you read up on the very rapid acceleration in artificial intelligence over the past 3-5 years and its increasing capabilities.

I'm very familiar with AI and increasing capability. But I'm also familiar with manufacturing and how it really works. Most of the innovation from the 1880s have nothing to do with AI. It's mechanical and has no intelligence at all. Lots of robotic machines don't even use computers at all. Some are pneumatic or run on hydraulics.

Also a lot of manufacturing has gone oversees and aren't gone because of "robots".

 

[Spike]

He wants the VP spot.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

What's coming? That bozo Trump is gonna win over the hardcore GOP base, some tea partiers, gun nuts, anti-abortionists and other angry white old men? That's been working great for ya'll these past eight years in presidential elections.

Umm, no, we lost because we ran two Democrat Lite candidates and the GOP base, Tea Partiers, gun nuts, anti-abortionists, and other angry white old men didn't turn out to vote.

 

[Spike]

BOOM!

Trump leads race with Hispanic voters

 

[Ron Burgundy]

BOOM!

Trump leads race with Hispanic voters

I have to think that Hispanics (even the illegal ones) don't really want more illegals here either. It creates more competition on the sidewalk outside Home Depot.

 

[IndySteel]

I have to think that Hispanics (even the illegal ones) don't really want more illegals here either. It creates more competition on the sidewalk outside Home Depot.

Ha ha! And there's only so much grass to be cut.

 

[Coach]

I have to think that Hispanics (even the illegal ones) don't really want more illegals here either. It creates more competition on the sidewalk outside Home Depot.

Quick fact! Romney was half Mexican, and he got but 27% of the Latino vote.

Latino's are misunderstood when it comes to conventional thinking on their politics.

1 ) They really don't vote well as a group.

2 ) They care most about jobs

3 ) They have conservative views on religion in side with Republicans.

 

[Coach]

With the first debate less than 48 hours away, I think Trump has a chance to increase his lead. With many candidates there won’t be a lot of time for each person to speak. Trump is good on television, and can commutate his message quickly which is key to this format. More impressively he can quickly retort what is directed at him. I think DT can think on his feet a bit. His handling of the heckler while one of his cellphone numbers was borderline brilliant.

We’ll see how it plays out, but I think Trump’s got some Richard Nixon like guile and Bill Clinton like ability to take a political punch. At least that is what I have seen so far. The other candidates seem like castrated bulls and are afraid of a mostly democratic tilting media. But the media loves ratings, so that plays to Trump.

With the sudden lead of Latino voters among GOP candidates this week could be huge for Trump. If Trump wins this event, many pundits who think he's 4th most likely to win the nomination will be revising their opinions to 1st or 2nd mostly likely to get the nomination.

 

[Tibs]

We’ll see how it plays out, but I think Trump’s got some Richard Nixon like guile..

Nice. If the country needs anything it's another Richard Nixon in the White House.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Nice. If the country needs anything it's another Richard Nixon in the White House.

Nixon was a big government Liberal.

 

[21STEELERS21]

What was the question in the Latino poll? How did the top 4 get 124%, when everyone should only add up to 100%?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

What was the question in the Latino poll? How did the top 4 get 124%, when everyone should only add up to 100%?

They used Democrat voting methods.

 

[Buster]

Wow. Did 21 ever set you up for that one.

 

[Superman]

Nice. If the country needs anything it's another Richard Nixon in the White House.

yeah, we don't need a 4th.

 

[IndySteel]

A little pre-debate fodder...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/4/charles-hurt-mr-universe-donald-trump-takes-on-the/?page=all#pagebreak

 

[IndySteel]

This is rumored to be Trump's tax plan:

$30,000 per year will pay 1 percent in federal income taxes
$30,000 to $100,000 will pay 5 percent
$100,000 to $1 million will pay 10 percent
$1 million or above will pay 15 percent

Returns would be filed on a postcard. I hope this is true!

 

[21STEELERS21]

Why doesn't the reporter at the Washington Times know that Perry isn't even in the debate?

 

[Tibs]

Pretty good overview of the Trump phenomena.

This was supposed to be the strongest GOP field in decades. Yet Donald Trump is leading it.
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/5/9100171/donald-trump-gop

The main question, what is going to keep this from happening:

And here is a must-watch video detailing the current state of affairs in the GOP

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[oneforthebus]

BOOM!

Trump leads race with Hispanic voters

He leads with Hispanics among Republicans. He gets crushed by Hilary in the general:

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/07/17/Trump-Surges-Polls-Hispanic-Voters-Flock-Hillary-Clinton
More important, though, is that – whether or not he ultimately wins the GOP nomination—the bombastic Trump may be assuring his party’s failure in trying to woo Latino voters. A new Univision News poll shows that seven in ten Hispanic voters have a negative view of Trump. And in a hypothetical matchup, Clinton beats Trump and other potential GOP opponents by huge margins among Hispanic voters.

The Univision findings are part of a larger bipartisan polling project conducted by the research firms of Bendixen & Amandi International and the Tarrance Group to establish a baseline for attitudes of Hispanic voters on a range of issues and candidates. Roughly 90 percent of Hispanic voters interviewed said they have heard about Trump’s insulting comments, and when they have read specific remarks, nearly 8 in 10 say they find them offensive.

In a hypothetical general election matchup, Clinton would clobber Trump among Hispanic voters, 70 percent to 16 percent, notwithstanding Trump’s inexplicable declaration that he would “win the Latino vote.”