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Trump - Make America Great Again!

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What Steel Vanguard stated is exactly how the media and the political community feel about Trumps supporters. Ignorant and low brow idiots. That is the reason they continue to be shocked that he is gaining this huge following. They can't fathom the reason why it is happening and cannot comprehend it. The reason they can't is they are the direct cause for his support. The massive wave of support isn't because Trump is low brow. It isn't because Trump is rude. It isn't because Trump is a loud mouth. It's because of a growing segment of society that is completely done with this **** system we have. It's because of people that are so completely fed up and sick of lying, scumbag politicians. Politicians who don't believe in anything other than tricking people into punching that ticket for them. Politicians who will preach absolutely anything at people, including things that they don't believe one iota in themselves. Once they get in, they take care of their friends and backers that fund them, that's all they want or care about.

It's because people are completely fed up with an out of control PC-everything society. There are crackpots all over the world who are offended by everything. All you have to do is read social media posts of some of these maniacs to see. Now they are making the rules with media support and ruining peoples lives/careers because they make some innocuous comment and one of the crackpots ran on a crusade to the media. The media does what it is the best at and proceeds to launch a witch hunt which results the complete ruination of a life. Because they are truly offended or the comment made was outwardly racist, sexist, hateful? No, it's normally some comment that is "construed" that way by somebody. Also it is because people in news media are frustrated, bitter human beings who see a chance to go after somebody that doesn't reflect their ideals and they jumped on it. People live in fear on media scrutiny and the resulting witch hunt that will follow if they slip up in any way and say something that rubs 2 or 3 crusader nut jobs the wrong way. Trump is looking the media people in the face and saying "**** you, I'm not backing down from you and you will not intimidate me", which is the way many people think it should be but nobody in politics has had the guts to try it before.

People are also rightfully getting very nervous about terrorism both home and abroad. Both by Islamic radicals and home grown American radicals that are now violently attacking and intimidating innocent people for whatever current cause they have. They are using mob tactics to strike fear into the hearts of people who have no stake in whatever fight the mob is carrying on, they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time and have the wrong physical appearance. People are scared. The politicians and the media are looking the other way or even worse, encouraging mobs to do these violent activities. People feel forgotten and abandoned. People are made to feel guilty for nothing they have done personally, but rather who they are and what they look like. Trump is providing a voice to those people who hold out hope that they won't have to feel scared or intimidated any more.

Ignore Trump and call his "low brow" supporters stupid all you want, but it is not only stupid people who are going to vote for him. It is people that feel the need for radical change in the current political system is desperately needed. Myself, I haven't voted in several elections because as I have already stated, I don't think it makes any difference who wins and I don't know if I will vote this time or not. If I do, I know who it will be for. The support building for Trump has nothing to do with people's educational or financial standing. It has to do with who has seen enough of is happening and where we are. People are catching on to the fact that there is no difference between Democrats, Republicans and most Independents. They are all in it for the same reason. They just put on their respective masks when the time comes and start playing the prescribed role when it is needed. Even if Trump loses, it doesn't really matter because campaign itself is succeeding in shaking everything up and making a lot of people question the **** sandwich people have been fed by a corrupt political system and a media that has no integrity whatsoever.

Anyway that's my personal opinion on the matter.
 
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Rod Farva said:
Really? So then neither you nor he knows a thing about the Tea Party?

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But the only thing controversial he said regarding the Tea Party was...I would argue Cruz has abandoned much of his Tea Party and Religious message for some Nationalist rhetoric in response to Trump's popularity (maybe not in Iowa, which is dominated by evangelicals, but elsewhere around the country).

Otherwise, the rest of his post was reasonable rather than absurd.

He did a good job because he didn't make me roll my eyes or facepalm.
 
I'm curious what you think Trump will change. Currently we are headed toward 3% unemployment within 2 years, gas prices are headed toward a dollar a gallon
and we have the lowest tax rates we've had in the last 60 years.

Seems like people want the government to improve their lives rather than getting off their butt and improving it themselves.
 
21STEELERS21 said:
I'm curious what you think Trump will change. Currently we are headed toward 3% unemployment within 2 years, gas prices are headed toward a dollar a gallon
and we have the lowest tax rates we've had in the last 60 years.
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Not Bomma's fault though. His Energy Secretary said that we need gas prices to be around $8 a gallon like Europe. Oil prices go down every time we get serious about alternative energy because then the Saudis start pumping more to lower the price and make oil relatively more affordable and alternative energy relatively less affordable. Bomma's policies are the opposite and geared toward taxing or regulating fossil fuels to make them relatively more expensive and subsidizing alternative energy to make it relatively cheaper. Tesla wouldn't be in business except for the subsidies they get.

Seems like people want the government to improve their lives rather than getting off their butt and improving it themselves.
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That would be Democrats, yes. The 47%.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/millennials-wrong-american-dream-152642236.html

This guy agrees with me. Conservatives seem to be creating a whiner class. Let's just whine about things rather than being resourceful and responsible
for improving our own lives. America is still the easiest place to become successful if your willing to work for it.

Obama doesn't get credit, but in his first 5 months in office he did the one thing that has had the most impact on lower gas prices. He raised the fuel efficiency standards
on cars and trucks and the auto industry has come thru. Obama has also pushed renewables and big things are starting to happen in the solar industry. If you lower
demand for oil, you lower the price. A company in China recently announced picking Nevada to invest 1 billion dollars in building the largest electric car plant in the world.
Nevada was also the lucky winner in getting a large investment for the largest battery plant in the world. Batteries for electric cars and storing solar in the home.
 
LOl, yeah, it is conservatives that are creating the "whiner class". Dems have been creating that for YEARS. Look at the college protests (was that MO??) where the whiners needed a "safe space"
 
21STEELERS21 said:
Obama doesn't get credit, but in his first 5 months in office he did the one thing that has had the most impact on lower gas prices. He raised the fuel efficiency standards
on cars and trucks and the auto industry has come thru.
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I don't know whose *** you pull this **** from.

The auto industry came through? They HAD too, didn't they?

In any event, the biggest factor in bringing down oil prices has to do with the evil fracking that the liberals hate so much. Not the fracking itself, but the increase in production that the Peace Loving Middle Easterners increased to run down oil prices to make fracking, oil shale, etc. less profitable.

Dumb ***.
 
Stewey said:
But the only thing controversial he said regarding the Tea Party was...I would argue Cruz has abandoned much of his Tea Party and Religious message for some Nationalist rhetoric in response to Trump's popularity (maybe not in Iowa, which is dominated by evangelicals, but elsewhere around the country).

Otherwise, the rest of his post was reasonable rather than absurd.

He did a good job because he didn't make me roll my eyes or facepalm.
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deljzc said:
I have no doubt he is what many call a RINO because he is not a crazy bible waving, gun-toting, Tea Party clown that thinks the world is 6000 years old or creationism is a "science"..
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Stewey said:
But the only thing controversial he said regarding the Tea Party was...I would argue Cruz has abandoned much of his Tea Party and Religious message for some Nationalist rhetoric in response to Trump's popularity (maybe not in Iowa, which is dominated by evangelicals, but elsewhere around the country).

Otherwise, the rest of his post was reasonable rather than absurd.

He did a good job because he didn't make me roll my eyes or facepalm.
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But I do agree most of his post seems out of character.

ark steel said:
LOl, yeah, it is conservatives that are creating the "whiner class". Dems have been creating that for YEARS. Look at the college protests (was that MO??) where the whiners needed a "safe space"
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We need a safe space forum here.
 
21STEELERS21 said:
I'm curious what you think Trump will change.
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Putting a shock and a wake up call to all fake ***, fat and happy, lackadaisical, unethical, untruthful politicians everywhere that people are no longer going to fall for their lies anymore would be a fantastic start. Maybe opening the door for future people to come into politics who are interested in something other than getting rich and currying favor with the right people. If that is all he accomplishes by campaigning then it will be a raging success, win or lose.
 
Supersteeler said:
Putting a shock and a wake up call to all fake ***, fat and happy, lackadaisical, unethical, untruthful politicians everywhere that people are no longer going to fall for their lies anymore would be a fantastic start. Maybe opening the door for future people to come into politics who are interested in something other than getting rich and currying favor with the right people. If that is all he accomplishes by campaigning then it will be a raging success, win or lose.
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This is a totally unrealistic view of American politics. Wall street owns the politicians AND the media. One bombastic jackass spewing a bunch of angry nationalist venom to stir the pot isn't going to change a damn thing. You can't get elected without Wall Street money, and they know that. Until you find a way to abridge lobbying, nothing will change.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
This is a totally unrealistic view of American politics. Wall street owns the politicians AND the media. One bombastic jackass spewing a bunch of angry nationalist venom to stir the pot isn't going to change a damn thing. You can't get elected without Wall Street money, and they know that. Until you find a way to abridge lobbying, nothing will change.
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You ditch the reason for lobbying by making government smaller and strip them of their power.

Get rid of the ridiculous tax code. Completely ditch corporate income tax. No need to lobby for loopholes. No need to lobuy for subsidies to offset the ridiculous taxation. No need for a gazillion pages of tax code, umpteen different types of companies and a gazillion ways of differentiatingredients what is Compensation.

Add federal sales. Do NOT call it a Value Added Tax. The government adds no value to the good. Call it a federal sales tax. Don't pretend it has to be some ungodly percent to fund the government at current levels. Make it the right % to fund the government at the level to which it should be lowered.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
This is a totally unrealistic view of American politics. Wall street owns the politicians AND the media. One bombastic jackass spewing a bunch of angry nationalist venom to stir the pot isn't going to change a damn thing. You can't get elected without Wall Street money, and they know that. Until you find a way to abridge lobbying, nothing will change.
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Maybe more loudmouth jackasses will follow if they realize how many people will latch on to them and ow many people hate the American Political system. I hope the whole entire thing will get turned upside down on it's head. Maybe one day we will actually get some people with an actual shred of backbone and ethics in them. Maybe too much to hope for, but the system as it stands is garbage. Blow it up.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
This is a totally unrealistic view of American politics. Wall street owns the politicians AND the media. One bombastic jackass spewing a bunch of angry nationalist venom to stir the pot isn't going to change a damn thing. You can't get elected without Wall Street money, and they know that. Until you find a way to abridge lobbying, nothing will change.
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So give into despair and take the droppings life offers. And two things keep popping into this thread that bother me.

1. The term "nationalist." I'm not sure I even know what that word means anymore but it seems more and more to carry a pejorative connotation. To me, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being one. To me it means America first. We can still be a compassionate country but it's ludicrous to believe that we can ever be the great nation we once were again without putting our own interests first. So I guess I am one.

2. The "American Political System" again has become a term that carries that same negative connotation (and the use of it in such a manner reminds me of and may accidentally lend credence to the dirty, loser hippies of occupy.) The American political system is still the best ever devised by mankind. The current system is anything but. It has been so bastardized and corrupted by greed and special interest that it is unrecognizable as a government by, for and of the people. Thank you for the gift of a Republic Mr. Franklin.....but I'm afraid we weren't able to keep it.
 
Spike said:
Here's the thing -Trump doesn't worry about staying on the good side of the Beltway media, and he isn't embarrassed to court the conservative base - and that's why he's winning.


REUTERS 5 Day rolling poll - Trump maintains hefty lead over GOP field

Donald Trump 39.3%

Ted Cruz 12.8%

Ben Carson 9.6%

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/T...20151204-20151224/collapsed/false/spotlight/1
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The field of ******* should just bow out now and hope they get a decent cabinet spot.
 
hamster said:
Liberalism. .......The NFL is racist. It is Bush's fault.
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Conservatism: We demand small government ......... So long as it's still allowed to control every aspect of your personal life and listen to your phone calls. We're the bravest cowards in the world!
 
While I do not believe Trump will be a cure for what ails this country, he will be better than some of the rest. The thing I do know is his ego will make him ATTEMPT to be remembered as the best president ever. Can he pull that off, I do not know. It will be interesting to see the Executive orders he puts into place. I am just hoping for the wall.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/obamas-america-look-what-liberals-want-to-do-with-your-soap/
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Informed consent.

As a Civil Libertarian the righties call me a leftist, the lefties call me right winger. I've been called a liberal several times on this board by people who CLAIM to be Libertarians, but whom are clearly hard core right wingers.

Civil libertarianism is largely based on the idea that so long as people are duly informed and give their consent, they should be able to make their own personal decisions. I am against banning of trans fats from food, but I am absolutely for labeling foods that contain it. If you fail to read the label, or choose to ignore it, then whatever consequence results from your consumption is ON YOU.

If you make soap, YES you should be required to list what's in that soap. That way if arsenic is in there, I know not to use it to wash my kids. That's not government intrusion. That's not the government saying "you can't make arsenic soap". Banning arsenic soap would thus be government intrusion.

I am against banning things (with a few exceptions) and for labeling things. Freedom means having the ability to choose, and should not those choices be made on the best facts available?
 
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Steel Vanguard said:
Informed consent.

As a Civil Libertarian the righties call me a leftist, the lefties call me right winger. I've been called a liberal several times on this board by people who CLAIM to be Libertarians, but whom are clearly hard core right wingers.

Civil libertarianism is largely based on the idea that so long as people are duly informed and give their consent, they should be able to make their own personal decisions. I am against banning of trans fats from food, but I am absolutely for labeling foods that contain it. If you fail to read the label, or choose to ignore it, then whatever consequence results from your consumption is ON YOU.

If you make soap, YES you should be required to list what's in that soap. That way if arsenic is in there, I know not to use it to wash my kids. That's not government intrusion. That's not the government saying "you can't make arsenic soap". Banning arsenic soap would thus be government intrusion.

I am against banning things (with a few exceptions) and for labeling things. Freedom means having the ability to choose, and should not those choices be made on the best facts available?
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I don't think you know what you think you know.
 
Steel Vanguard said:
Informed consent.

As a Civil Libertarian the righties call me a leftist, the lefties call me right winger. I've been called a liberal several times on this board by people who CLAIM to be Libertarians, but whom are clearly hard core right wingers.

Civil libertarianism is largely based on the idea that so long as people are duly informed and give their consent, they should be able to make their own personal decisions. I am against banning of trans fats from food, but I am absolutely for labeling foods that contain it. If you fail to read the label, or choose to ignore it, then whatever consequence results from your consumption is ON YOU.

If you make soap, YES you should be required to list what's in that soap. That way if arsenic is in there, I know not to use it to wash my kids. That's not government intrusion. That's not the government saying "you can't make arsenic soap". Banning arsenic soap would thus be government intrusion.

I am against banning things (with a few exceptions) and for labeling things. Freedom means having the ability to choose, and should not those choices be made on the best facts available?
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You're not a Civil Libertarian, you're a Liberal moron because you think that the Republicans want to control every aspect of our personal lives (your words) only because they are generally anti-abortion while conveniently ignoring the fact that Democrats will use every means at their disposal including lying about crime and climate change to control our lives.
 
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