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You're not a Civil Libertarian, you're a Liberal moron because you think that the Republicans want to control every aspect of our personal lives (your words) only because they are generally anti-abortion while conveniently ignoring the fact that Democrats will use every means at their disposal including lying about crime and climate change to control our lives.

You seem to have pissed your pants here. I'll give you a moment to compose yourself.

Through just over 100 posts here I haven't mentioned abortion even one time, so you just pulled that directly out of your ***. Similarly, nowhere in any of my posts have I claimed that Democrats are any less intrusive in their policies. What I have said is that the conservative claim to small governance is bogus. And it is. Drug wars, gambling laws, border walls, domestic spy programs, gay marriage bans, and stem cell research bans are all either bipartisan or conservative BIG GOVERNMENT policies. They do not represent the Free Market or Jeffersonian democratic principles. Sure, the Democrats are just as bad with their gun laws and PC demands. But that just makes conservatives hypocrites, not freedom fighters.

Why you're so butt hurt by the truth is beyond me. These things are common knowledge.
 
Conservatism: We demand small government ......... So long as it's still allowed to control every aspect of your personal life and listen to your phone calls. We're the bravest cowards in the world!

Dumbassery..............Calling yourself a Civil Libertarian when you are just a dumbass liberal.
 
Informed consent.

As a Civil Libertarian the righties call me a leftist, the lefties call me right winger. I've been called a liberal several times on this board by people who CLAIM to be Libertarians, but whom are clearly hard core right wingers.

Civil libertarianism is largely based on the idea that so long as people are duly informed and give their consent, they should be able to make their own personal decisions. I am against banning of trans fats from food, but I am absolutely for labeling foods that contain it. If you fail to read the label, or choose to ignore it, then whatever consequence results from your consumption is ON YOU.

If you make soap, YES you should be required to list what's in that soap. That way if arsenic is in there, I know not to use it to wash my kids. That's not government intrusion. That's not the government saying "you can't make arsenic soap". Banning arsenic soap would thus be government intrusion.

I am against banning things (with a few exceptions) and for labeling things. Freedom means having the ability to choose, and should not those choices be made on the best facts available?

Who's forcing anyone to buy unlabeled anything? If you want to restrict your purchases to that which is labeled by all means do so. But you again are proposing that government should be involved in the process....that is not libertarianism of any kind.

Personal responsibility is a key component of libertarianism. Say I am personally familiar with someone who makes soap in their kitchen. It's the best soap I've ever used.....hundreds of folks in the area feel so too. We LOVE this soap. I get it for 25 cents a bar (or whatever the market decides is a reasonable amount for a bar of soap.)

Suddenly, the cost of this wonderful soap rises to 40 cents a bar. Why? Because the government has decided that despite the fact that the soap has never harmed anyone, it MUST be labeled with ingredients. So this person has to increase the cost of the soap to cover their overhead. Overhead they didn't have before the government stepped in to keep me safe.

Whoa.....now the price is 60 cents a bar? What? Why? Oh, because now that the maker has revealed themselves to the government there are other unaccountable bureaucracies and their requirements that must be satisfied. My acquaintance now must install exhaust fans, thermometers, maybe make their home handicap accessible and post some "license" and submit to periodic inspections. Pretty soon it's not worth the trouble, the small soap maker goes belly up and big government (with complete and total backing and support of big business) wins!

See what happened? I developed and utilized my very own "informed consent." Government does not trust me, or you, to be able to adequately do so. There are holes in your views of libertarianism.
 
You seem to have pissed your pants here. I'll give you a moment to compose yourself.

Through just over 100 posts here I haven't mentioned abortion even one time, so you just pulled that directly out of your ***. Similarly, nowhere in any of my posts have I claimed that Democrats are any less intrusive in their policies. What I have said is that the conservative claim to small governance is bogus. And it is. Drug wars, gambling laws, border walls, domestic spy programs, gay marriage bans, and stem cell research bans are all either bipartisan or conservative BIG GOVERNMENT policies. They do not represent the Free Market or Jeffersonian democratic principles. Sure, the Democrats are just as bad with their gun laws and PC demands. But that just makes conservatives hypocrites, not freedom fighters.

Why you're so butt hurt by the truth is beyond me. These things are common knowledge.

Not at all. I just know how you people think, you know that I know it, and you can't stand it. Fact is that most of the freedoms that Liberal want to put the kibosh on are done through bureaucratic regulation from a government that is populated by about 90% Democrats and Liberals (that's WHY they go to work for the govt) and the Republicans in Congress can't or won't do anything about it. Which is why Boehner is gone, we're mad at Ryan already, and Trump has at least double the poll ratings of anyone else.

Liberals ---> Republicans anti-abortion = Republicans against all personal freedoms
 
You seem to have pissed your pants here. I'll give you a moment to compose yourself.

Through just over 100 posts here I haven't mentioned abortion even one time, so you just pulled that directly out of your ***. Similarly, nowhere in any of my posts have I claimed that Democrats are any less intrusive in their policies. What I have said is that the conservative claim to small governance is bogus. And it is. Drug wars, gambling laws, border walls, domestic spy programs, gay marriage bans, and stem cell research bans are all either bipartisan or conservative BIG GOVERNMENT policies. They do not represent the Free Market or Jeffersonian democratic principles. Sure, the Democrats are just as bad with their gun laws and PC demands. But that just makes conservatives hypocrites, not freedom fighters.

Why you're so butt hurt by the truth is beyond me. These things are common knowledge.

Pretty much nonsense. "Big government" is only when government goes beyond its role as outlined in the Constitution. Most Democrats believe that key industries such as insurance, banking, health care and manufacturing should have a high degree of government regulation. That is regarded as big government.

It is within the Constitutional scope of the Federal government to protect our borders, provide a military, individual rights etc.... call it "big" if you like but those dont count. A government that can force you to buy health insurance...that counts.
 
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The fact that Donald Trump has made it this far is a sad assessment of the Nation. Both the Nation called America, and this Nation here at SN.

I'm most disappointed in the likes of deljzc coming out in support of the madness of Trump. The fact that IndySteel is a Trump ***** is understandable, more in line with the raging right-wing that feels so at home here at SN. Seeing a strong-minded, well-informed individual like deljzc supporting the ******* make the eyes roll and the stomach turn.

Let's not talk about the presidency. That's far off, next November. It does not need to go that far. The simple fact that Trump is the shining light of the Republican Party is telling enough. We all scoffed at Sarah Palin four years ago, at least anyone with half a brain did. Trump is Palin on steroids, yet somehow he is now the man in charge. He's bullied his way to the head of the line. The notion America could be led by a narcissistic egomaniac with little or no knowledge of national affairs, international politics or the workings of the military, is beyond rational belief.

Trump is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. He's not an embarrassment as a politician, or as a presidential candidate. He's an embarrassment as a guy, a man. How would you react to some drunk 20 year old at a keg party, spewing hatred and ignorance like Trump does? You wouldn't, you'd walk away and call him an *******. Which is what he is. And you guys know it.

So cut the crap on Trump. Anyone that comes out in support of this guy, prepared to go all in. Stand by what the man says. If that's truly who you are.

I suggest something different. If you're angry at business-as-usual Washington politics, throw your support behind Bernie Sanders.

At the minimum, step back and ask yourself, do I want a complete ******* running the country for the next four years? There's a quota, you know, of ********. Impotent, naive, narcissistic ********. Trump and IndySteel occupy a fairly large part of that quota. Do you really want to be onboard with that?
 
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The fact that Donald Trump has made it this far is a sad assessment of the Nation. Both the Nation called America, and this Nation here at SN.

I'm most disappointed in the likes of deljzc coming out in support of the madness of Trump. The fact that IndySteel is a Trump ***** is understandable, more in line with the raging right-wing that feels so at home here at SN. Seeing a strong-minded, well-informed individual like deljzc supporting the ******* make the eyes roll and the stomach turn.

Let's not talk about the presidency. That's far off, next November. It does not need to go that far. The simple fact that Trump is the shining light of the Republican Party is telling enough. We all scoffed at Sarah Palin four years ago, at least anyone with half a brain did. Trump is Palin on steroids, yet somehow he is now the man in charge. He's bullied his way to the head of the line. The notion America could be led by a narcissistic egomaniac with little or no knowledge of national affairs, international politics or the workings of the military, is beyond rational belief.

Trump is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. He's not an embarrassment as a politician, or as a presidential candidate. He's an embarrassment as a guy, a man. How would you react to some drunk 20 year old at a keg party, spewing hatred and ignorance like Trump does? You wouldn't, you'd walk away and call him an *******. Which is what he is. And you guys know it.

So cut the crap on Trump. Anyone that comes out in support of this guy, prepared to go all in. Stand by what the man says. If that's truly who you are, just sayin'

I suggest something different. If you're angry at business-as-usual Washington politics, throw your support behind Bernie Sanders.

At the minimum, step back and ask yourself, do I want a complete ******* running the country for the next four years? There's a quota, you know, of ********. Impotent, naive, narcissistic ********. Trump and IndySteel occupy a fairly large part of that quota. Do you really want to be onboard with that?

Welcome back, lover boy. Smooches, ya giant ****.
 
An hour ago I was at Trump International Chicago. The place just exudes success and class. It's the polar opposite of the 'bomma tribe.
 
Welcome back, lover boy. Smooches, ya giant ****.
Indy back from solitary confinement. Good to see you buddy, have a seat and grab a cookie. Nurse will be by with the meds in a small paper cup. In the meantime, we've set some crayons out for you. Would you like to draw a whale in the sea, or a scarecrow with sunflowers? Don't need to decide right now, think it over.
 
Who's forcing anyone to buy unlabeled anything? If you want to restrict your purchases to that which is labeled by all means do so. But you again are proposing that government should be involved in the process....that is not libertarianism of any kind.

Personal responsibility is a key component of libertarianism. Say I am personally familiar with someone who makes soap in their kitchen. It's the best soap I've ever used.....hundreds of folks in the area feel so too. We LOVE this soap. I get it for 25 cents a bar (or whatever the market decides is a reasonable amount for a bar of soap.)

Suddenly, the cost of this wonderful soap rises to 40 cents a bar. Why? Because the government has decided that despite the fact that the soap has never harmed anyone, it MUST be labeled with ingredients. So this person has to increase the cost of the soap to cover their overhead. Overhead they didn't have before the government stepped in to keep me safe.

Whoa.....now the price is 60 cents a bar? What? Why? Oh, because now that the maker has revealed themselves to the government there are other unaccountable bureaucracies and their requirements that must be satisfied. My acquaintance now must install exhaust fans, thermometers, maybe make their home handicap accessible and post some "license" and submit to periodic inspections. Pretty soon it's not worth the trouble, the small soap maker goes belly up and big government (with complete and total backing and support of big business) wins!

See what happened? I developed and utilized my very own "informed consent." Government does not trust me, or you, to be able to adequately do so. There are holes in your views of libertarianism.

BTW, why would you want to be Farva? Thorny was the man. Anyway, I digress...

The first big hole in this is that labeling is not going to increase the cost of your product 3 fold. That just isn't realistic.

Second, if someone has a reaction to your soap and needs medical attention, there will be no way to get hold of the maker in an emergency for the ingredients to save someone's life. If people turn up with cancer or other long term dosage ailments, there's no way to diagnose them if the ingredients aren't known.

But the most important point is that you're pretending that labeling product's ingredients puts some undue burden on business, or that it violates their rights in some way. But you haven't really made that case. You're mostly just arguing that people should just avoid anything that doesn't have a label, and that they have no right to know what substances are coming in contact with their bodies. Philosophically, I disagree. And I don't think there's a political element to that disagreement, Libertarian or otherwise.

Not at all. I just know how you people think, you know that I know it, and you can't stand it. Fact is that most of the freedoms that Liberal want to put the kibosh on are done through bureaucratic regulation from a government that is populated by about 90% Democrats and Liberals (that's WHY they go to work for the govt) and the Republicans in Congress can't or won't do anything about it. Which is why Boehner is gone, we're mad at Ryan already, and Trump has at least double the poll ratings of anyone else.

Liberals ---> Republicans anti-abortion = Republicans against all personal freedoms

This is a classic Strawman argument. You can't refute what I've ACTUALLY said, so you're going to invent an argument out of whole cloth, attribute it to me, and argue against that. You ignore the points made about conservatives because you can't reconcile their social engineering policies with their claims of "small government". So you bring up some crackpot conspiracy about abortion that's completely irrelevant.

Conservatives are all about BIG GOVERNMENT when it comes to people's day to day lives. You know this. You believe this. But you can't admit this because it blows your entire world view into a million pieces. So you invent an alternate reality to avert your eyes from the obvious truth.


Pretty much nonsense. "Big government" is only when government goes beyond its role as outlined in the Constitution. Most Democrats believe that key industries such as insurance, banking, health care and manufacturing should have a high degree of government regulation. That is regarded as big government.

Written by someone who has clearly never ACTUALLY READ the Constitution of the United States. Congress ABSOLUTELY has the right to Regulate Interstate Commerce. How the **** you can call yourself an American and NOT know that is beyond me.

It is within the Constitutional scope of the Federal government to protect our borders, provide a military, individual rights etc.... call it "big" if you like but those don't count. A government that can force you to buy health insurance...that counts.

You have it exactly backwards. The government DOES NOT have the power to regulate individual rights. That's why we have a bill of rights. Specifically, most of the Right's social engineering programs violate either the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and/or 14th Amendments. The left is also famously hostile to the 2nd Amendment. These Amendments are the backbone of American Freedom, and THEY ABSOLUTELY DO COUNT. That you feel them irrelevant speaks volumes of how Regan's "Shining City on A Hill" became the most incarcerated police state on Earth.
 
The fact that Donald Trump has made it this far is a sad assessment of the Nation. Both the Nation called America, and this Nation here at SN.

I'm most disappointed in the likes of deljzc coming out in support of the madness of Trump. The fact that IndySteel is a Trump ***** is understandable, more in line with the raging right-wing that feels so at home here at SN. Seeing a strong-minded, well-informed individual like deljzc supporting the ******* make the eyes roll and the stomach turn.

Let's not talk about the presidency. That's far off, next November. It does not need to go that far. The simple fact that Trump is the shining light of the Republican Party is telling enough. We all scoffed at Sarah Palin four years ago, at least anyone with half a brain did. Trump is Palin on steroids, yet somehow he is now the man in charge. He's bullied his way to the head of the line. The notion America could be led by a narcissistic egomaniac with little or no knowledge of national affairs, international politics or the workings of the military, is beyond rational belief.

Trump is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. He's not an embarrassment as a politician, or as a presidential candidate. He's an embarrassment as a guy, a man. How would you react to some drunk 20 year old at a keg party, spewing hatred and ignorance like Trump does? You wouldn't, you'd walk away and call him an *******. Which is what he is. And you guys know it.

So cut the crap on Trump. Anyone that comes out in support of this guy, prepared to go all in. Stand by what the man says. If that's truly who you are.

I suggest something different. If you're angry at business-as-usual Washington politics, throw your support behind Bernie Sanders.

At the minimum, step back and ask yourself, do I want a complete ******* running the country for the next four years? There's a quota, you know, of ********. Impotent, naive, narcissistic ********. Trump and IndySteel occupy a fairly large part of that quota. Do you really want to be onboard with that?

I like ya Tibs, but as I stated about Steel Vanguard, you guys still aren't getting the reason for his massive support. The reason is more important than the man in this case. I'm not a Republican and I am mildly Conservative at best. Even I see the need to destroy this current system in a big way. It has to go. If that means electing a loudmouth egotistical prick then so be it. At least he isn't worried about playing the political $ game and as a result will tell people what he actually thinks. In short, people like me have gotten to the point where we ******* HATE politicians and don't want them whoring themselves out to the highest bidder any more at the expense of the country and the people in it. Those ***** would sell their own mother down the river in exchange for a vote, I don't give a **** what anyone says.

Trump reflects peoples feelings because he seems to hate politicians just as much. That's one of his main attractions to people. I love it that he has so much support because it reflects that a whole bunch of people are as disenfranchised and pissed off as I am. Not to mention sick and tired of PC everything America. He cannot be worse that the garbage that has been running and/or winning elections in recent years. People need to grown the **** up, stop blaming others for their problems and take some personal responsibility.
 
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This is a classic Strawman argument. You can't refute what I've ACTUALLY said, so you're going to invent an argument out of whole cloth, attribute it to me, and argue against that. You ignore the points made about conservatives because you can't reconcile their social engineering policies with their claims of "small government". So you bring up some crackpot conspiracy about abortion that's completely irrelevant.

Conservatives are all about BIG GOVERNMENT when it comes to people's day to day lives. You know this. You believe this. But you can't admit this because it blows your entire world view into a million pieces. So you invent an alternate reality to avert your eyes from the obvious truth.

No, what you fail to recognize because you do not know as much about Republicans as you think you do (typical) is that 1) Republicans and Conservatives are not necessarily the same thing and 2) that Republican voters and Republicans in Washington are not the same thing either. Again, this is why Boehner is out of a job, Trump is leading the polls, and hopefully a lot of incumbent Republican Congressmen will get taken out in the primaries.

We all scoffed at Sarah Palin four years ago, at least anyone with half a brain did.
Uh, that was almost 8 years ago.

Tibs said:
The notion America could be led by a narcissistic egomaniac with little or no knowledge of national affairs, international politics or the workings of the military, is beyond rational belief.
I dunno, that's who has been running the joint for the last 7 years and you think it's great.
 
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No, what you fail to recognize because you do not know as much about Republicans as you think you do (typical) is that 1) Republicans and Conservatives are not necessarily the same thing and 2) that Republican voters and Republicans in Washington are not the same thing either.
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Actually, I know exactly what I think I do and YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.

The last time you tried to make this dubious claim about "conservatives" holding some magical small government mindset that somehow NEVER comes out in their policy positions, I called you on the carpet to show me some supporting poll data. And you admitted that I was right all along.

You're right, mostly there isn't Conservative support for legalizing weed...

Stop piddling around with this "conservative" nonsense. Come on over and become a Civil Libertarian. You'll have no power, no say, and no one will represent you in government, but at least you'll be intellectually honest, Constitutionally congruent and integrally sound.
 
Actually, I know exactly what I think I do and YOU SAID SO YOURSELF.

The last time you tried to make this dubious claim about "conservatives" holding some magical small government mindset that somehow NEVER comes out in their policy positions, I called you on the carpet to show me some supporting poll data. And you admitted that I was right all along.
Like I said, us Conservatives out here want smaller less intrusive government but a lot of the people we send to Congress and the White House forget all that once they get elected because they're afraid of the media. We like Trump because he doesn't need anyone's money and tells the media to **** off.
 
The fact that Donald Trump has made it this far is a sad assessment of the Nation. Both the Nation called America, and this Nation here at SN.

I'm most disappointed in the likes of deljzc coming out in support of the madness of Trump. The fact that IndySteel is a Trump ***** is understandable, more in line with the raging right-wing that feels so at home here at SN. Seeing a strong-minded, well-informed individual like deljzc supporting the ******* make the eyes roll and the stomach turn.

Let's not talk about the presidency. That's far off, next November. It does not need to go that far. The simple fact that Trump is the shining light of the Republican Party is telling enough. We all scoffed at Sarah Palin four years ago, at least anyone with half a brain did. Trump is Palin on steroids, yet somehow he is now the man in charge. He's bullied his way to the head of the line. The notion America could be led by a narcissistic egomaniac with little or no knowledge of national affairs, international politics or the workings of the military, is beyond rational belief.

Trump is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth. He's not an embarrassment as a politician, or as a presidential candidate. He's an embarrassment as a guy, a man. How would you react to some drunk 20 year old at a keg party, spewing hatred and ignorance like Trump does? You wouldn't, you'd walk away and call him an *******. Which is what he is. And you guys know it.

So cut the crap on Trump. Anyone that comes out in support of this guy, prepared to go all in. Stand by what the man says. If that's truly who you are.

I suggest something different. If you're angry at business-as-usual Washington politics, throw your support behind Bernie Sanders.

At the minimum, step back and ask yourself, do I want a complete ******* running the country for the next four years? There's a quota, you know, of ********. Impotent, naive, narcissistic ********. Trump and IndySteel occupy a fairly large part of that quota. Do you really want to be onboard with that?

Who said I support Trump?

I'm fascinated in his message and there are many parts that resonate within me. I am impressed in his ability to date to DOMINATE the direction and discussion topics on the primary season.

I have always been right-wing leaning. But I despise religious doctrine. The religious right make me vomit in my mouth.

Trump is a Nationalist. And that's a right-leaning ideology I can see the logic in. Stronger borders? Check. I'm okay with that. Start applying the immigration laws again and encourage legal immigration and enforce/prevent illegal immigration? All for it. Stop apologizing for the few bad things in our history and start talking about the GOOD things that brought this country to 2015? Absolutely.

Maybe make becoming a citizen of the US harder again? Or go back to pre-1965 immigration laws? I'd listen to that.

Tax reform? Yep.

While I don't really like Trumps WAY in talking, the message isn't that terrible in my eyes. I don't take Trump literally. He's bombastic. But look at the policies he's proposing: stronger border control, get illegal immigration in check, encourage legal immigration, tax reform, better trade negotiations, close loopholes for corporations to take advantage of (that he knows the best by the way), cut federal spending.

What about that is bad exactly? What part of that DON'T you agree with Tibs?

Trump is as far from a warmonger as I've ever seen. He's not going to push the button and we all know it. He likes life too much. He's not going to die for a cause because he thinks God will save him. He'll be pragmatic once he gets into office and we all know it.

The people that don't like Trump are more worried about how we'll look that the substance behind what he'll actually do. That bothers me. Cruz is much more dangerous for this country in the long run than Trump. Cruz will put radical right-wing constitutionalists on the Supreme Court. He's super religious to the point he might lead us to war in the name of some silly "righteous view". Trump's not going to do that. Trump will compromise because he could care less about the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. To get something done, he'll throw every Republican under the bus if he has to. He'll pull the curtain back on every back door meeting and embarrass those career politicians into maybe doing what's best for this country rather than who's paying the bills.

How is that bad?

Again, the only negative is he's just sometimes just too over the top. He can't control his diarrhea mouth enough. If you are worried about appearances, then he might embarrass you to your foreign friends. Oh well.

Again, Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs from a 20-year old IN THE WHITE HOUSE yet that's not embarrassing enough for some liberals yet Trump and his bombastic "schlonged" comment is so unpresidential. Really? That's the double standard now? Our current president BOWS to the King of Saudi Arabia? Really?


Come on Tibs.... what are you so afraid of EXACTLY with Trump? What's going to REALLY happen while he's in office?
 
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Here are more thoughts on Trump

1. Who's going to appoint the best cabinet of qualified people?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

2. Who's going to be more willing to work with leaders of the opposite party in congress to get votes for legislation they think is beneficial to the country?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

3. In a sit down diplomatic one-on-one, behind closed doors, who would really get things done with Merkel or Putin?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

4. Who will negotiate the best trade policies with Asia and Mexico?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

5. Who will appoint the best qualified justices for the Supreme Court and not base them completely on right/left political thinking?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

For all the liberal fear mongering on Trump's message and how he says it, I have yet to see any strong evidence that he would not be best or be the correct answer to every question posed above. And I would love to hear Tibs argue otherwise.
 
Conservatives are all about BIG GOVERNMENT when it comes to people's day to day lives. You know this. You believe this. But you can't admit this because it blows your entire world view into a million pieces. So you invent an alternate reality to avert your eyes from the obvious truth.

I think you have confused Conservatives with the GOP. They are not the same. We do know THIS and we do believe THIS. We do NOT know or believe what you say we know and believe. It just ain't factual.


You have it exactly backwards. The government DOES NOT have the power to regulate individual rights. That's why we have a bill of rights. Specifically, most of the Right's social engineering programs violate either the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and/or 14th Amendments. The left is also famously hostile to the 2nd Amendment. These Amendments are the backbone of American Freedom, and THEY ABSOLUTELY DO COUNT. That you feel them irrelevant speaks volumes of how Regan's "Shining City on A Hill" became the most incarcerated police state on Earth.

Either you or I misread the intent of Stewey's statement that this responds to.

I think he meant that the size of government needed for those items listed do not. Those are items specifically listed in the Constitution and you have to have a government big enough to actually defend the borders, provide military, etc. That is what he meant by "don't count", meaning when you look at the size of government. I also don't think the meant the government has the power to regulate individual rights as much as he meant the federal government has the duty to protect them.
 
And Trump is WAY AHEAD of the news cycle in attacking the person he really needs to attack: Bill Clinton

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/27/politics/donald-trump-hillary-bill-clinton-sexism/index.html

I've said from the very beginning of this election cycle, Hillary will be tough to beat when she starts to roll out Bill Clinton. People will vote for her because they want Bill Clinton back in the White House.

Trump has already planned on this and has an attack strategy all laid out. "How can I be a misogynist when you are voting for Bill Clinton 2.0!?!?"

Talk about great politics....
 
Here are more thoughts on Trump

1. Who's going to appoint the best cabinet of qualified people?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

2. Who's going to be more willing to work with leaders of the opposite party in congress to get votes for legislation they think is beneficial to the country?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

3. In a sit down diplomatic one-on-one, behind closed doors, who would really get things done with Merkel or Putin?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

4. Who will negotiate the best trade policies with Asia and Mexico?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

5. Who will appoint the best qualified justices for the Supreme Court and not base them completely on right/left political thinking?

a. Trump
b. Clinton
c. Cruz

For all the liberal fear mongering on Trump's message and how he says it, I have yet to see any strong evidence that he would not be best or be the correct answer to every question posed above. And I would love to hear Tibs argue otherwise.

I think that there is no doubt that the answers to 3 and 4 is Trump.

The problems with 1, 2 and 5 are that we could argue from dusk until dawn on "legislation that they think is beneficial to the country" or qualified Justices and Cabinet members. Quite frankly, the **** spending that has come out through the years has been voted through by both parties. Outside of Obamacare, most legislation was agreed to by both parties, or enough of both parties. When they agree, the results seem to be that we all get ******.

I do know for a fact that Clinton is not the answer to any of the questions.
 
I think that there is no doubt that the answers to 3 and 4 is Trump.

The problems with 1, 2 and 5 are that we could argue from dusk until dawn on "legislation that they think is beneficial to the country" or qualified Justices and Cabinet members. Quite frankly, the **** spending that has come out through the years has been voted through by both parties. Outside of Obamacare, most legislation was agreed to by both parties, or enough of both parties. When they agree, the results seem to be that we all get ******.

I do know for a fact that Clinton is not the answer to any of the questions.

del left off one question:

Which candidate should be incarcerated and not inclusive in a Presidential candidate forum?
a. Clinton
b. Clinton
c. Clinton
 
Bwahahahaha - watching the libs hysterical foaming at the mouth over Trump is great entertainment


Donald Trump: Media King, 2015

Six months out from Donald Trump's foray into American politics, the national media is finally coming to terms with a hard truth: It's Trump's world, and they're just covering it.

The Republican front-runner has dominated the media since he entered the race, in more ways than one: He has garnered far more coverage than his rivals. He has repeatedly proven the pundits wrong. He has bent the media to his will by driving daily, sometimes hourly, news cycles. He has determined the focus of the national debates, and redefined the parameters of acceptable discourse. And he has done all of this while sticking his finger in the eye of the media that has done so much to fuel his rise.

Meanwhile, the media have kept their focus squarely on Trump, even as he rails against the press as "dishonest scum" and encourages his supporters to boo and heckle reporters at his campaign rallies. Trump frequently accuses the media of refusing to show the large crowds that turn out for his rallies, and, at one recent event, in Michigan, he shamed a camerawoman into turning her lens on the big crowd behind her -- literally directing the media's coverage of his own campaign.

Trump also exhibited a brilliant grasp of social media, and particularly Twitter, where he commands nearly 5.5 million followers (but only follows 50 people himself). More than any other candidate or strategist, he understood how a single tweet could drive the news cycle and spin a new narrative. He knew that the media was staffed with young political reporters thirsting for copy. While other campaigns guarded their candidates and issued cautious statements, Trump was churning out entertaining and provocative tweets and comical yet searing Instagram videos attacking rivals that were perfectly suited to the media's desire for controversy.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/28/politics/trump-media-king/index.html
 
if Hillary Clinton can't handle more than one email account, how can we trust her to be able to sift through the amount of data that a President receives daily and to determine proper courses of action based on that data?
 
BTW, why would you want to be Farva? Thorny was the man. Anyway, I digress...

The first big hole in this is that labeling is not going to increase the cost of your product 3 fold. That just isn't realistic.

Re-read my post.....labeling is just the first of many government requirements that will be laid at a business's feet....and whether it amounts to a doubling, tripling or a single penny increase, it's an increase.

Second, if someone has a reaction to your soap and needs medical attention, there will be no way to get hold of the maker in an emergency for the ingredients to save someone's life. Not so......the origin of the product is known by those who purchase it in the scenario I described. But on a larger scale if it's being sold publicly you know it's been taxed by at least three separate entities already so it's origin would be found easily.. If people turn up with cancer or other long term dosage ailments, there's no way to diagnose them if the ingredients aren't known. Wait, you know what causes cancer? Ye gods man, don't hold back....humanity needs to know these things. Again, if someone "turns up" ill they know well enough what products they use so that when the doc asks them about their habits and use of various products they can answer them.

But the most important point is that you're pretending that labeling product's ingredients puts some undue burden on business, or that it violates their rights in some way. But you haven't really made that case. You're mostly just arguing that people should just avoid anything that doesn't have a label, and that they have no right to know what substances are coming in contact with their bodies. You are the King of Mistaken Inference....please show me (and everyone else) exactly where I made either of those arguments. Quite the opposite actually as I thought I was quite clear in prefacing my post with "Who's forcing anyone to buy unlabeled anything? If you want to restrict your purchases to that which is labeled by all means do so." Philosophically, I disagree. And I don't think there's a political element to that disagreement, Libertarian or otherwise. And that statement lends further credence to my belief that you don't know what "librtarian" means.....hell, from that statement I might even infer that you don't know what "political" means


. I "pretend" nothing. My entire point is that government regulation is extremely onerous and costly. Small businesses have everything stacked against them even in a perfect world. Adding to that burden, government involvement is often the breaking point for many of them.

Your tactics of twisting meanings, being disingenuine and flat out misinterpreting statements by others to fit your responses and worm out of tight spots is wearing thin. Tim, I and everyone else here are at least smart enough to see that so why not try debating honestly just for fun? We get that you're much smarter than anyone else here and that you hold ALL the moral high ground as well. So humor us and at least try to stick to the things you KNOW we actually meant......
 
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if Hillary Clinton can't handle more than one email account, how can we trust her to be able to sift through the amount of data that a President receives daily and to determine proper courses of action based on that data?

The Big O doesn't do it, why should she have to do so? Does she have to do MORE work just to be as good as the "man" that is currently doing the job? Misogynistic fuckhead.
 
if Hillary Clinton can't handle more than one email account, how can we trust her to be able to sift through the amount of data that a President receives daily and to determine proper courses of action based on that data?
The Big O doesn't do it, why should she have to do so? Does she have to do MORE work just to be as good as the "man" that is currently doing the job? Misogynistic fuckhead.

Simple, her mind is already made up on what she's going to do and more or new information isn't going to change that. More taxes, less energy, redistribute wealth, open borders, etc.
 
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