Uncle Jarvis

[ark steel]

I think people are saying that it's a useless stat if it's tracked poorly, like all stats. When you have one site claiming 26 sacks and another claiming 8, it's clear at least one (and probably both) are wrong.

But if you quote a ranking which is, in part, based upon a stat that is useless or poorly tracked, how on earth is anyone expected to rely on that ranking?

 

[AggieSteel]

So Cam Thomas is running with the #1s at DE instead of Tuitt?

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

So Cam Thomas is running with the #1s at DE instead of Tuitt?

That's what Wexell says in this article about Keisel possibly being brought back.

I was looking at the video you posted and watched it play and also noticed something else. Initially the protection has Ziggy Hood doubled but then the protection slides toward Worilds who is being blocked by a guard and tackle. His pass rush drives the quarterback up into the pocket and he appears to have eased up at the end of the play as he can tell the qb is already done. I am not taking anything away from Jarvis or Heyward as they played well on that play as well. Worilds looks like he is going to be something special on that play. The other thing I wanted to take away from that play is how well it was designed. Hood who has got contain is not rushing the QB. Worilds is going deep on the outside. Jones is going shallow outside. Heyward is slanting inside. Heyward and Jones are able to drive their men back as each of them is facing a one on one situation. Worilds is also able to affect the play even though he catches some of a double team.

The thing that I thought was most interesting from the rush lanes and the sack was the well designed pass rush. This was clearly not just a bunch of individual moves but was designed for guys to take certain routes to the QB and the effect was one that looked like you had few options from an offense perspective. Very good rush from our defensive coordinator. The other thing was this was with just 4 rushers.

Thanks for posting the video Deacon

I think people lamenting the Jarvis/Worilds combo will be eating their words, at least as far as Worilds is concerned. Watching Worilds on the left during Browns 1 was a joy. He was terrorizing people. If you have the chance, watch Browns 1. He was a nightmare that game. Browns had to send help to that side from the second quarter on and he was still breaking through. (For those wondering, Cam was NOT on that side. He was RDE).

In fact, that became somewhat of a theme for the rest of the season.

 

[Vader]

Are we really going to project a players value from a ******* clowns game? Really? In that game Al Woods lead the team in sacks with 2. Troy, Gay and Heyward had the other 3 sacks. So as long as the Steelers play teams that score 19 PPG and give up 49 sacks a year they'll be great.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Are we really going to project a players value from a ******* clowns game? Really? In that game Al Woods lead the team in sacks with 2. Troy, Gay and Heyward had the other 3 sacks. So as long as the Steelers play teams that score 19 PPG and give up 49 sacks a year they'll be great.

No we are not. Worilds played well in all of the games he started on the left. I focus on Browns 1 because it was a great example of Worilds' performance (and he didn't even get a sack that game).

 

[Vader]

No we are not. Worilds played well in all of the games he started on the left. I focus on Browns 1 because it was a great example of Worilds' performance (and he didn't even get a sack that game).

Really? I thought I was just told that I would be eating my words because of how Jones/ Worilds played in the clowns game. I guess I was mistaken.

I think people lamenting the Jarvis/Worilds combo will be eating their words, at least as far as Worilds is concerned. Watching Worilds on the left during Browns 1 was a joy. He was terrorizing people. If you have the chance, watch Browns 1. He was a nightmare that game. Browns had to send help to that side from the second quarter on and he was still breaking through.

 

[Spike]

Steelers linebacker Jones vows to improve in 2nd NFL season

Steelers outside linebacker Jarvis Jones knows a statistics-thin rookie season raised doubts about how good — or how disappointing — an NFL pass rusher he will be.

The doubters aren't going away, at least for now.

“He can hunt — he can find that ball and hunt — but I don't see him as an elite pass rusher in today's NFL because he doesn't have that burst that you've got to have,” NFL Network analyst Jamie Dukes said. “He's a 3-4 edge rusher who doesn't have that super burst.”

Despite not having superlative speed — he ran a 4.9 40 on a chilly Georgia pro day last year — or significant stats in 2013 (only one sack), Jones was given a vote of confidence when the Steelers released former Pro Bowl linebacker LaMarr Woodley two months ago.

With Woodley now with the Raiders, Jones and Jason Worilds look to be locked in as the outside linebacker starters, barring injury.

After an intense offseason working out and studying the defense, and some strong practices to date, Jones thinks the Steelers will like what they see from him this season.

Mostly, they won't see what they saw last season.

“Things have slowed down for me. … Last year I was thinking too much, I wasn't able to react, play and do the things I like to do,” Jones said Thursday as the Steelers wrapped up the second of their four weeks of offseason practices.

“I'm more of a guy that moves and plays off instincts. Last year, I wasn't able to do that. I really didn't know what was going on around me as far as, if I'm rushing outside, I can't go inside the tackle because I've got a blitz coming up the middle. I wasn't able to be myself. I was limited to a lot of things.”

As Jones said, it's called “being a rookie.”

Linebackers coach Keith Butler agrees.

“He pretty much didn't know where to line up last year,” Butler said. “If somebody wasn't there to help him and tell him what he was supposed to be doing, he was playing half a second slow. The great thing about playing in this defense is that it is tough to play in your first year, but the second year everything slows down.”

The Steelers also brought in someone else to help — former Pro Bowl linebacker Joey Porter, who was hired as a defensive assistant in part so he could mentor Jones.

“He and Jarvis are probably the same guy, their style of play,” Butler said.

Jones is stronger, Butler said, although he remains listed at 6-foot-2 and 245 pounds.

“I see my game changing, as far as being in the weight room and grinding in there — I see it when I'm out here on the field,” Jones said. “It's getting better.”

Butler also was encouraged by Jones' play late in the season; Jones had 10 quarterback hurries in the final three games and 10 tackles in the final two games, including eight against the Browns. Overall, Jones' 25 QB hurries led the team.

“I didn't make as many plays as I should have, and they were out there,” Jones said. “But that's last year, and I'm looking at a totally different year.

“I'm just a whole lot better than I was last year.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/6235164-74/jones-steelers-butler#ixzz33riWtj00

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there you have it

 

[bermudasteel]

Hmmm, I wasn't aware of that. Not too shaby, of course, will be down-played by all the Jarvis-haters...

LOL - build it - and they will come...

Hopefully Worlids and Jones become the terrors we need because this defense is in trouble if they dont. One has to step up. This defense is built thru the rush.

I like the potential of our front seven...

LOLB - Uncle Jarvis
MILB - Shazier
MILB - Timmons
ROLB - Worilds
LDE - Tuitt
NT - McClendon/McCullers
RDE - Heyward

That's size and speed - offenses beware!!!

 

[Wingman]

Are we really going to project a players value from a ******* clowns game? Really? In that game Al Woods lead the team in sacks with 2. Troy, Gay and Heyward had the other 3 sacks. So as long as the Steelers play teams that score 19 PPG and give up 49 sacks a year they'll be great.

Sums it up, cause if they start scoring 30 per game we are unlikely to catch them, 24 actually makes it dicey if we go by past events.

 

[Franco]

Learning the defense and being more comfortable as a result is all well and good but that does not explain his total inability to get pressure or beat a tackle when he was rushing in obvious passing downs. His lack of strength , quickness and speed are obvious and will be next to impossible to correct all three serious flaws at the NFL level for a 25 year old player. I just hope he can be serviceable instead of terrible like he was last year and that ceiling is a bust for a #15 overall pick.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Really? I thought I was just told that I would be eating my words because of how Jones/ Worilds played in the clowns game. I guess I was mistaken.

You're right, my apologies.

If you have the chance, watch every game Worilds started on the left, including Browns 1.

Better?

Learning the defense and being more comfortable as a result is all well and good but that does not explain his total inability to get pressure or beat a tackle when he was rushing in obvious passing downs. His lack of strength , quickness and speed are obvious and will be next to impossible to correct all three serious flaws at the NFL level for a 25 year old player. I just hope he can be serviceable instead of terrible like he was last year and that ceiling is a bust for a #15 overall pick.

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He was fast enough to beat Willie Colon here.

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He was strong enough to walk D'Brickashaw Ferguson back here.

...And Joe Thomas here.

 

[Supersteeler]

But if I didn't want him in the draft I will deny all the good and stress all the bad. That's how we roll in the haters club.

 

[Idioteque]

But if I didn't want him in the draft I will deny all the good and stress all the bad. That's how we roll in the haters club.

Will you ever stop posting this same thing in every thread? Yes, Jarvis had a masterful rookie year. Dude shoulda recka-nized.

 

[bermudasteel]

You're right, my apologies.

If you have the chance, watch every game Worilds started on the left, including Browns 1.

Better?



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He was fast enough to beat Willie Colon here.

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He was strong enough to walk D'Brickashaw Ferguson back here.

...And Joe Thomas here.

Thanks for posting this. Obviously, the Browns aren't good enough to play in the NFL - so footage against them is irrelevant.

Isn't Joe Thomas a PRO-BOWLER???

Frikken haters...

 

[antdrewjosh]

Will you ever stop posting this same thing in every thread? Yes, Jarvis had a masterful rookie year. Dude shoulda recka-nized.

I took his comment as the people who hated the pick cant or wont recognize the good plays he had like the ones illustrated. No one said he had an pro bowl or good year.. but i understand your reading comprehension skills are superior to everyones and you understand things on a higher level then us.

 

[Wingman]

Let us hope that this year the lights come on for him and that Worilds is a bargain with the transition tag. I do not expect much this season, I would consider it a success if the rookies from last year and this year begin to develop into good players.

 

[bermudasteel]

Let us hope that this year the lights come on for him and that Worilds is a bargain with the transition tag. I do not expect much this season, I would consider it a success if the rookies from last year and this year begin to develop into good players.

Write it down, we're on the uptick this year.

 

[smidrow]

“He and Jarvis are probably the same guy, their style of play,” Butler said.

Jones is stronger, Butler said, although he remains listed at 6-foot-2 and 245 pounds.

Jones is stronger than Joey??? I doubt it. The bench is not an 'all encompassing' measure of strength but Joey through the bar up 27 times while Uncle Jarvis tied Archer w 20.

I believe the author was referring to Jarvis's strength now in comparison to his strength the same time last year.

 

[smidrow]

Only because those stats are the definition of junk stats. Been saying that long before Jarvis came around, btw. Showed why a number of times already. Useless bullshit, to what end, dunno. Dunno the exact source of those stats. They're from the media guide the Steelers put out, so that suggests Burt Lauten and their PR department. Which makes sense. But Bouchette has maintained that they come from the coaches and their film breakdown. If that's true and the coaches believe in these numbers, let's just say there is a very, very, very, critical problem with self-evaluations. Butler always seems at the center of these stats. Maybe he's just propping up his favorites, or guys he had a hand in selecting. Job security for someone, maybe. I can't say. But he does like to work these crap stats into interviews about certain players. I know this is not unique to the Steelers. Other teams do it as well. Just don't really get why. If a team or a coach wants to prop up Player X, fine. There are ways to do that truthfully. Don't have to resort to flat out lying.

Coaches expect a certain QB effect ratio to be achieved throughout a season. Qb hurries are a part of that ratio as they have a definitive positive impact on forcing an incompletion. So yes, they are tracked for each player but for much different reasons than the reasons you give here....

 

[Supersteeler]

Will you ever stop posting this same thing in every thread?

Do you ever plan on not being the biggest, most tiresome and most biased hater on the site? I would guess the answer to both our questions is no. The truth hurts apparently.

 

[Supersteeler]

I took his comment as the people who hated the pick cant or wont recognize the good plays he had like the ones illustrated. No one said he had an pro bowl or good year.. but i understand your reading comprehension skills are superior to everyones and you understand things on a higher level then us.

It hits home every single time I say it too. The haters know they are haters, but try to pretend they aren't. However, they jump all over every comment about haters in general like they have been personally attacked and out themselves in 5 seconds flat because they know what they are lol. Never fails. To not be a hater all you have to do is admit you are wrong once in awhile. But some people are just not capable of it. Too much pride I guess.

 

[smidrow]

Just to clarify, I don't think Dobre is getting at Jones' specifically, just the practice of what they call "pressures".

It seems like certain teams in the league (the Steelers being one of them) go out of their way to inflate stats, possibly to increase pro bowl votes or something. Ray Lewis was probably the biggest benefactor I could think of in his twilight years - any tackle he was within 3 yards of was credited to him.

Pressures are not an official stat...they are used to help track a QB effect ratio used by most defensive coaches including myself....

 

[slashsteel]

Write it down, we're on the uptick this year.

I think so, the depth makes me think the team should at least reach the playoffs,

Anything can happen. But the effort put into this offseason I am pretty happy with.

Still think a vet DE is needed. And one still might come later on before the season starts...............

 

[Vader]

LOL - build it - and they will come...

I like the potential of our front seven...

LOLB - Uncle Jarvis
MILB - Shazier
MILB - Timmons
ROLB - Worilds
LDE - Tuitt
NT - McClendon/McCullers
RDE - Heyward

That's size and speed - offenses beware!!!

Jarvis plays ROLB not LOLB. Worilds plays LOLB not ROLB. Tuitt will probably play but I doubt he starts.

 

[slashsteel]

Jarvis plays ROLB not LOLB. Worilds plays LOLB not ROLB. Tuitt will probably play but I doubt he starts.

I could see Tuitt rotating in all year.......provided his conditioning is up to par