Uncle Jarvis

[dobre shunka]

Coaches expect a certain QB effect ratio to be achieved throughout a season. Qb hurries are a part of that ratio as they have a definitive positive impact on forcing an incompletion. So yes, they are tracked for each player but for much different reasons than the reasons you give here....

I understand why coaches track hurries. I'm saying what they present stretches well past the horizon of credulity. Which makes me wonder about motivation. Either way, and without clarity/definition, they are utterly worthless to fans and media. So why do they tell us? Without context, without meaning? The only time we ever hear/see these stats are when they prop up a sub 3 or 4 sack guy. If they want to use it to illustrate a guy like Keisel brings a unique skill set to the pass rush, one that pushes the pocket and clogs throwing lanes, fine. But doesn't that all fall apart when talking about a 34 blind side edge rusher? And why do their hurries outnumber the opponent by nearly 3:1? And why do the total number of tackles for the PSD always far exceeds the total number of possible tackles? Yet somehow the numbers for the opposing D always closely mirrors (but not exactly) what NFLGSIS has? Like I said, if what they are trying to achieve is pure/earnest, then they have a very serious self-evaluation problem. If not, then it's garbage. Either way it's meaningless/undefined/useless to anyone outside their locker room. So why use it outside that lockerroom? If it does have some explainable meaning that somehow escapes logic/reason/commonsense then it should be explained so as to be understood when used. I've asked for years now and all i've received back is more vagueness. It's useless crap.

 

[slashsteel]

A hurry is somewhere between good pressure and just not getting there.

 

[dobre shunka]

That's ok. I happens to lots of guys his age.

 

[smidrow]

I understand why coaches track hurries. I'm saying what they present stretches well past the horizon of credulity. Which makes me wonder about motivation. Either way, and without clarity/definition, they are utterly worthless to fans and media. So why do they tell us? Without context, without meaning? The only time we ever hear/see these stats are when they prop up a sub 3 or 4 sack guy. If they want to use it to illustrate a guy like Keisel brings a unique skill set to the pass rush, one that pushes the pocket and clogs throwing lanes, fine. But doesn't that all fall apart when talking about a 34 blind side edge rusher? And why do their hurries outnumber the opponent by nearly 3:1? And why do the total number of tackles for the PSD always far exceeds the total number of possible tackles? Yet somehow the numbers for the opposing D always closely mirrors (but not exactly) what NFLGSIS has? Like I said, if what they are trying to achieve is pure/earnest, then they have a very serious self-evaluation problem. If not, then it's garbage. Either way it's meaningless/undefined/useless to anyone outside their locker room. So why use it outside that lockerroom? If it does have some explainable meaning that somehow escapes logic/reason/commonsense then it should be explained so as to be understood when used. I've asked for years now and all i've received back is more vagueness. It's useless crap.

I always keep in mind that articles are meant to entertain as much as they inform today. Much of the information received lacks accuracy....Regardless, I would guarantee Kevin Butler doesn't care what is out there....He is far more interested in developing his group of linebackers and making sure they are productive in doing the things necessary to disrupt offenses. The only people who care are the people who write and talk about it and the fans....

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

Now that he is playing on the other side in front of JJ it should help him a lot. Putting hey ward on the LT and letting the rookie cam play vs the RT is a good move esp since worlids has more power and will help the new guys just like hey Ward will help JJ. Not to mention Timmons switched sides also. Hope it works out!
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...sitions-starters-depth-chart-roster-otas-2014

 

[Spike]

Jones' pass rush stats are not the only critical criteria for an OLB

not getting gashed on the corner runs outside - just as important

we NEED A STOUTER front 7.........period

 

[dobre shunka]

K

I always keep in mind that articles are meant to entertain as much as they inform today. Much of the information received lacks accuracy....Regardless, I would guarantee Kevin Butler doesn't care what is out there....He is far more interested in developing his group of linebackers and making sure they are productive in doing the things necessary to disrupt offenses. The only people who care are the people who write and talk about it and the fans....

Since they're the ones putting it out there via the media, does that mean the coaches are spending their game week time putting together obscure/vaguely defined stats for public entertainment purposes? These are their in-house numbers. This is what they put out and update every Tuesday of the season. This is where all the media get their talking points. And this is what Butler directly references without solicitation. And this is what goes unchallenged by a lazy media with a faulty BS detector. If Butler didn't care, if the Steelers didn't care they wouldn't be putting it out there. I wouldn't care if I didn't see it so often used to validate obvious BS.

 

[Idioteque]

Do you ever plan on not being the biggest, most tiresome and most biased hater on the site? I would guess the answer to both our questions is no. The truth hurts apparently.

It devastates me. A hater. LOL. I hate the Steelers. The logic is remarkable. Thanks for continuing to contribute absolutely nothing.

 

[Idioteque]

It hits home every single time I say it too. The haters know they are haters, but try to pretend they aren't. However, they jump all over every comment about haters in general like they have been personally attacked and out themselves in 5 seconds flat because they know what they are lol. Never fails. To not be a hater all you have to do is admit you are wrong once in awhile. But some people are just not capable of it. Too much pride I guess.

Mary Beth, all I commented on was your tiresome routine of pasting that exact same post into evvvvvvery fuuuuuucking threeeeeaaaad. Give me one. *******. example. of Tha Hataaz!! that refuse to admit being wrong. Or whatever you're bitching about; it runs together on here. Otherwise, admit you're just desperately trying to grasp onto some real criticism. When in actuality, you can't follow the conversation and are just pounding on the keyboard in fury because someone suggested Jarvis was unimpressive.

 

[Wingman]

K

Since they're the ones putting it out there via the media, does that mean the coaches are spending their game week time putting together obscure/vaguely defined stats for public entertainment purposes? These are their in-house numbers. This is what they put out and update every Tuesday of the season. This is where all the media get their talking points. And this is what Butler directly references without solicitation. And this is what goes unchallenged by a lazy media with a faulty BS detector. If Butler didn't care, if the Steelers didn't care they wouldn't be putting it out there. I wouldn't care if I didn't see it so often used to validate obvious BS.

I believe the Media Bullshit detectors are working just fine, they are just operating a bit differently now. Instead of exposing Bullshit as was done in the past many times they are now carrying it and serving it up as fact in many occasions.

 

[deljzc]

This year, the front-7 will be entirely built with Mike Tomlin players.

Even last year we were hanging on with Larry Foote as the "planned" QB of the defense. Keisel was still a starter.

This year everyone from pre-2007 is gone.

We've devoted an enormous amount of resources to the front-7 since Tomlin's arrival: 5 - 1st rounders, 3 - 2nd rounders, 2 - 3rd rounders.

It's time to put up or shut up. The test as to whether Tomlin's vision of a faster, quicker, front-7 is better than Cowher's vision of a front-7 is really only now going to be evident.

I hope they are as good as the investment devoted to them (in Cowher's 15 seasons he devoted 2 - 1st rounders, 7 - 2nd rounders, 5 - 3rd rounders to the front-7).

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

This year, the front-7 will be entirely built with Mike Tomlin players.

Even last year we were hanging on with Larry Foote as the "planned" QB of the defense. Keisel was still a starter.

This year everyone from pre-2007 is gone.

We've devoted an enormous amount of resources to the front-7 since Tomlin's arrival: 5 - 1st rounders, 3 - 2nd rounders, 2 - 3rd rounders.

It's time to put up or shut up. The test as to whether Tomlin's vision of a faster, quicker, front-7 is better than Cowher's vision of a front-7 is really only now going to be evident.

I hope they are as good as the investment devoted to them (in Cowher's 15 seasons he devoted 2 - 1st rounders, 7 - 2nd rounders, 5 - 3rd rounders to the front-7).

Not that I disagree with your statement, but this is a much different league then when Cowher was around.

Forget the fact that there are more teams running the 3-4, equating to less talent for your front 7 later in the draft- but simply the speed of offenses have changed. Just think of the best teams in the AFC for the last 10 years. Very few of them are predicated on grinding out a defense

 

[SteelerFan448]

Not that I disagree with your statement, but this is a much different league then when Cowher was around.

Forget the fact that there are more teams running the 3-4, equating to less talent for your front 7 later in the draft- but simply the speed of offenses have changed. Just think of the best teams in the AFC for the last 10 years. Very few of them are predicated on grinding out a defense

As much as all of that has changed, it is hard to argue against a defense that is physical up front, very stout against the run and gets after the quarterback. The Steelers are none of those things right now and it shows as they continue to regress.

 

[deljzc]

Not that I disagree with your statement, but this is a much different league then when Cowher was around.

Forget the fact that there are more teams running the 3-4, equating to less talent for your front 7 later in the draft- but simply the speed of offenses have changed. Just think of the best teams in the AFC for the last 10 years. Very few of them are predicated on grinding out a defense

I think the idea football is "much different" is a bunch of hogwash that the media is trying to propagate into a story. Football is still running, tackling and beating the guy in the front of you. You can still hurt quarterbacks and hit them hard. You can still win with defense. Passing is not "running rampant" as much as some think.

The rise of the 49ers and Seahawks from the supposedly "weakest division in football" over the course of 2-3 short seasons being more physical and tougher than the teams they play just proves to me the idea the game is a bunch of 7-on-7 drills is just stupid. In fact, any coach that THINKS that (something I suspect was the root of our offensive problems with Arians) deserves what they get.

 

[Vader]

I think the idea football is "much different" is a bunch of hogwash that the media is trying to propagate into a story. Football is still running, tackling and beating the guy in the front of you. You can still hurt quarterbacks and hit them hard. You can still win with defense. Passing is not "running rampant" as much as some think.

The rise of the 49ers and Seahawks from the supposedly "weakest division in football" over the course of 2-3 short seasons being more physical and tougher than the teams they play just proves to me the idea the game is a bunch of 7-on-7 drills is just stupid. In fact, any coach that THINKS that (something I suspect was the root of our offensive problems with Arians) deserves what they get.

I agree with this. I know Goodall has tried to put flags on the guys but in reality it is still a power, speed and strength game.

 

[smidrow]

K

Since they're the ones putting it out there via the media, does that mean the coaches are spending their game week time putting together obscure/vaguely defined stats for public entertainment purposes? These are their in-house numbers. This is what they put out and update every Tuesday of the season. This is where all the media get their talking points. And this is what Butler directly references without solicitation. And this is what goes unchallenged by a lazy media with a faulty BS detector. If Butler didn't care, if the Steelers didn't care they wouldn't be putting it out there. I wouldn't care if I didn't see it so often used to validate obvious BS.

To reiterate, I'm sure Butler could care less how you or the media perceives or reacts to his comments. The one thing that is not BS....Butler is obviously sharing his insight into his clear reverence for his young Right Outside Linebacker and is very pleased with his progress in a system which is difficult to transition to particularly as a rookie...he simply referenced this progress by side-noting Jones's quarterback pressures which he obviously feels is relevant in regards in disrupting opposing offenses down the stretch of last season....

 

[TAS]

To reiterate, I'm sure Butler could care less how you or the media perceives or reacts to his comments. The one thing that is not BS....Butler is obviously sharing his insight into his clear reverence for his young Right Outside Linebacker and is very pleased with his progress in a system which is difficult to transition to particularly as a rookie...he simply referenced this progress by side-noting Jones's quarterback pressures which he obviously feels is relevant in regards in disrupting opposing offenses down the stretch of last season....

Was that someone's dick in your cheek?

 

[Supersteeler]

Mary Beth, all I commented on was your tiresome routine of pasting that exact same post into evvvvvvery fuuuuuucking threeeeeaaaad. Give me one. *******. example. of Tha Hataaz!! that refuse to admit being wrong. Or whatever you're bitching about; it runs together on here. Otherwise, admit you're just desperately trying to grasp onto some real criticism. When in actuality, you can't follow the conversation and are just pounding on the keyboard in fury because someone suggested Jarvis was unimpressive.

Lol, if you haven't noticed that about 75% of the board sees the same routine from you, then you are oblivious.

 

[Idioteque]

Lol, if you haven't noticed that about 75% of the board sees the same routine from you, then you are oblivious.

You mean my little stalking committee? The 3-5 posters who hang on my every word and cry every time I say "Manny Sanders sucks?" I'm crushed, but that doesn't sound like 75%.

I asked for one (1) example. If you don't have any, just say so. The Stalking Committee doesn't; they also change the subject when pressed.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

I think the idea football is "much different" is a bunch of hogwash that the media is trying to propagate into a story. Football is still running, tackling and beating the guy in the front of you. You can still hurt quarterbacks and hit them hard. You can still win with defense. Passing is not "running rampant" as much as some think.

The rise of the 49ers and Seahawks from the supposedly "weakest division in football" over the course of 2-3 short seasons being more physical and tougher than the teams they play just proves to me the idea the game is a bunch of 7-on-7 drills is just stupid. In fact, any coach that THINKS that (something I suspect was the root of our offensive problems with Arians) deserves what they get.

How exactly is Tomlin's 3-4 different from any of those defenses in that regard on paper? I'm not understanding what your beef is here.

 

[Superman]

Lol, if you haven't noticed that about 75% of the board sees the same routine from you, then you are oblivious.

he's oblivious.
despite the karma received from a startling number of different posters, it is only 3-5 posters who dismiss him.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Voice of reason...JJ will be better this year, probably not good enough to erase memories of a rookie campaign for the haters but who cares, the haters were the same way with TP. The fact that he was on the field as a rookie shows both his potential and our desperate situation. I've seen every game JJ has played college and pro and his talent has always been sniffing out the play, not brute strength or speed. The speed and strength he does possess will be more evident as the "half second" of thinking time decreases at the snap. When he gets into his zone of reacting/anticipating he will be more productive... His talent will be more evident this year, probably not enough to get the monkeys off his back, but some people won't be happy with whatever he does because they will forever cling to whoever they were man crushing on when JJ was selected in the draft.

 

[deljzc]

How exactly is Tomlin's 3-4 different from any of those defenses in that regard on paper? I'm not understanding what your beef is here.

What post had "beef" in it?

I stated this is the first season we are going into that has all Tomlin players in the front-7. We will see if some of Tomlin's philosophical differences in what he likes in a front-7 player (vs. Cowher) yields the same results, especially in light of the fact Tomlin is devoting more resources to the front-7 than Cowher did during his tenure.

 

[Litos]

Voice of reason...JJ will be better this year, probably not good enough to erase memories of a rookie campaign for the haters but who cares, the haters were the same way with TP. The fact that he was on the field as a rookie shows both his potential and our desperate situation. I've seen every game JJ has played college and pro and his talent has always been sniffing out the play, not brute strength or speed. The speed and strength he does possess will be more evident as the "half second" of thinking time decreases at the snap. When he gets into his zone of reacting/anticipating he will be more productive... His talent will be more evident this year, probably not enough to get the monkeys off his back, but some people won't be happy with whatever he does because they will forever cling to whoever they were man crushing on when JJ was selected in the draft.

I really didn't like the pick but right now I'm hoping for a 7 sacks, 40 tackles kind of season from him. The guy will be disruptive this year

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

What post had "beef" in it?

I stated this is the first season we are going into that has all Tomlin players in the front-7. We will see if some of Tomlin's philosophical differences in what he likes in a front-7 player (vs. Cowher) yields the same results, especially in light of the fact Tomlin is devoting more resources to the front-7 than Cowher did during his tenure.

This part:

We will see if some of Tomlin's philosophical differences in what he likes in a front-7 player (vs. Cowher) yields the same results

You've made other posts indicating that you're skeptical of Tomlin style players vs. Cowher style players. I was just curious as to what it was about 'Tomlin style' players you feel could be of detriment.