We are being badly misled about the Ukraine-Russia war

[Steeltime]

I think the argument that would be made is that it is being done for defensive purposes in the sense it's forcing the Russians to use reserves inside of Russia that they were intending to use in Ukraine at some point.

True.

There is some logic to that, but it seems doubtful that it will exhaust Russia's reserves enough to make it worth the costs to Ukraine.

Undoubtedly true. These maps make the point about how insignificant the Ukrainian incursion is compared to the ground they have already lost:

Yes, that tiny pocket is the Ukrainian advance.

It may end up leaving them even more vulnerable to a larger Russian offensive at some point.

Truth. This is Ukraine's Battle of the Bulge. They are looking to push far enough into Russia to force Russian troops out of Eastern Ukraine so they can try and get some sort of peace deal. The outcome is very likely the same.

 

[Punxsutawney]

True.



Undoubtedly true. These maps make the point about how insignificant the Ukrainian incursion is compared to the ground they have already lost:

Yes, that tiny pocket is the Ukrainian advance.



Truth. This is Ukraine's Battle of the Bulge. They are looking to push far enough into Russia to force Russian troops out of Eastern Ukraine so they can try and get some sort of peace deal. The outcome is very likely the same.

My guess is that they intended to gain a lot more Russian territory than they have to this point, but continue to try to push regardless.

We might be reaching the point of the war where the Ukrainians have to prioritize certain parts of the country over others, as they might be sacrificing the Donbas region to defend northern Ukraine.

The incursion into Russia might be more about providing a buffer for northern Ukrainian cities like Sumy and Kharkiv than anything else.

 

[JMM]

So when does Europe start fighting on behalf of the Ukrainians? It's not like they've had enough time.

 

[Confluence]

So when does Europe start fighting on behalf of the Ukrainians? It's not like they've had enough time.

The same time the Byelorussians starting fighting for the Russians? Ukraine just moved the fighting much closer to their border.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

American missles striking the heart of Moscow. No issue at all.

President Biden appears on the verge of clearing the way for Ukraine to launch long-range Western weapons deep inside Russian territory, as long as it doesn’t use arms provided by the United States, European officials say.

The issue, which has long been debated in the White House, is coming to a head on Friday with the first visit to Washington by Britain’s new prime minister, Keir Starmer.

 

[DBS1970]

Putin has already said the Russians consider those weapons being used as a direct act of war because they can only be used with targeting via western satellites. The current regime are such utter morons that they are pushing us into WWIII to try and look tough.

 

[Booted]

Putin has already said the Russians consider those weapons being used as a direct act of war because they can only be used with targeting via western satellites. The current regime are such utter morons that they are pushing us into WWIII to try and look tough.

If it goes that route and we have to jump in, I believe we may see a draft to supplement the voluntary military. And you'll all the younglings that call out Trump, calling him a draft dodger, dodging the draft. I really don't see today's youth going to war. Today's youth are still infants and today's young adults are still children.

 

[DBS1970]

If it goes that route and we have to jump in, I believe we may see a draft to supplement the voluntary military. And you'll all the younglings that call out Trump, calling him a draft dodger, dodging the draft. I really don't see today's youth going to war. Today's youth are still infants and today's young adults are still children.

I can’t blame them on this issue. Not our war outside of the fact that we pushed NATO 1000 miles east from the German border.

 

[Sarge]

If it goes that route and we have to jump in, I believe we may see a draft to supplement the voluntary military. And you'll all the younglings that call out Trump, calling him a draft dodger, dodging the draft. I really don't see today's youth going to war. Today's youth are still infants and today's young adults are still children.

Jump in? We’re already in. Just yesterday or perhaps Thursday, I heard on the radio that we were up set that Iran was giving missiles to Russia for the war in Ukraine. We’ve given Ukraine pretty much every weapon they are using from small arms to self propelled artillery to missiles to fighters. It’s ridiculous.

On a side note, there is a video of a tank being line hauled to Goose Creek, SC getting hit by a train. Happened Wednesday or Thursday. Bet you can’t guess where that tank was headed.

 

[Booted]

Jump in? We’re already in. Just yesterday or perhaps Thursday, I heard on the radio that we were up set that Iran was giving missiles to Russia for the war in Ukraine. We’ve given Ukraine pretty much every weapon they are using from small arms to self propelled artillery to missiles to fighters. It’s ridiculous.

On a side note, there is a video of a tank being line hauled to Goose Creek, SC getting hit by a train. Happened Wednesday or Thursday. Bet you can’t guess where that tank was headed.

 

[Sarge]

Yep. That’s the one.

 

[Confluence]

Yep. That’s the one.

now Ukraine is doomed

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Yep. That’s the one.

Better it die here then by a **** driver over their in Ukraine killing it.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

 

[DBS1970]

Jump in? We’re already in. Just yesterday or perhaps Thursday, I heard on the radio that we were up set that Iran was giving missiles to Russia for the war in Ukraine. We’ve given Ukraine pretty much every weapon they are using from small arms to self propelled artillery to missiles to fighters. It’s ridiculous.

On a side note, there is a video of a tank being line hauled to Goose Creek, SC getting hit by a train. Happened Wednesday or Thursday. Bet you can’t guess where that tank was headed.

Not a tank. It was a 155MM Paladin self propelled howitzer.

 

[Sarge]

Not a tank. It was a 155MM Paladin self propelled howitzer.

I know that. To the lay person, it's a tank. Much easier to describe it that way also.

 

[DBS1970]

I know that. To the lay person, it's a tank. Much easier to describe it that way also.

It’s important to be accurate.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Oh, look, another idiot actor.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Screw this guy. I'd boot his corrupt *** out of the country and not give him another dime. Let him go leech off of Europe.

 

[xjx]

Outrageous. We gave him plenty. Way too much. Send him packing.

 

[Confluence]

Zelensky can do this because the Repubs are allowing him to......where is McConnell on this? Still sitting on his hands which is tacit support, at least.

 

[JMM]

Seems like Russia could roll in there anytime they want and capture the guy. War over. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of collision going on along several fronts. The whole thing seems pretty fishy regarding the timing, previous history, Bidens involvement while VP, etc etc

 

[MT~Forged]

If it goes that route and we have to jump in, I believe we may see a draft to supplement the voluntary military. And you'll all the younglings that call out Trump, calling him a draft dodger, dodging the draft. I really don't see today's youth going to war. Today's youth are still infants and today's young adults are still children.

If they implemented a Vietnam era type draft, it would show exactly how Dems stand. On one hand they would be seen as throwing our young adults to the wolves, while also supporting those who would dodge said draft. I don’t agree with sending troops to Ukraine, as they are not a NATO signatory, or even allied with us. While I feel for the people in Ukraine, the Russians are not invading Europe at this time. Could it come to that, sure, we could also invade Russia too. This is what War Hawks do, they always make the claim thatwe need to get involved because Russia MIGHT do something in the FUTURE.

The American people need to stand up and make it known that ANY POLITICIANS that vote/allow our troops to be sent to Ukraine, will see THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES become the first casualties of that action. It is past time that Politicians feel the results of their actions firsthand. No more sending others while they and their families sit at home fat and happy. I believe that possibility would temper the judgment of many of them, as it should.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

If they implemented a Vietnam era type draft, it would show exactly how Dems stand. On one hand they would be seen as throwing our young adults to the wolves, while also supporting those who would dodge said draft. I don’t agree with sending troops to Ukraine, as they are not a NATO signatory, or even allied with us. While I feel for the people in Ukraine, the Russians are not invading Europe at this time. Could it come to that, sure, we could also invade Russia too. This is what War Hawks do, they always make the claim thatwe need to get involved because Russia MIGHT do something in the FUTURE.

The American people need to stand up and make it known that ANY POLITICIANS that vote/allow our troops to be sent to Ukraine, will see THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES become the first casualties of that action. It is past time that Politicians feel the results of their actions firsthand. No more sending others while they and their families sit at home fat and happy. I believe that possibility would temper the judgment of many of them, as it should.

The crew of my PCF was free of anyone with a politician's last name.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

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The crew of my PCF was free of anyone with a politician's last name.

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