We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[Idioteque]

I'm the one reaching when you are the one who was ... WRONG... again?
for ****'s sake you just can't get a pad big enough, can you?

and no, I'm still unsure who you're so viciously protecting. ma'am.

The other day I think I typed "Roethilsberger" by mistake. Once I referred to "Cortex Allen." I need help and prayer. What lying, deceitful **** will pour from my keyboard next?

Again.. idiot.

 

[Superman]

Since 2011, the 49ers have played 27 games vs. teams under .500. We've played 26.

There goes another unbelievably stupid attempt at entering a big-boy conversation with no clue what the **** to say.

thank you. i was hoping you would state that. since it now solidifies your stance that Tombert is fully responsible for the records of the competition he faces year in and year out.
otherwise you'd have not made such a ridiculous statement. Unless, of course, you are stating that the NFC West is far more better and gooder than the AFC North. overall, year in and year out. Not just a "trend" as you so ungraciously want to fall back on, as you'll throw out the 2012 and 2013 records of those divisions and say "SEE?! I was right all along!!!!!!!!!! Because I'm gooder than you!!!!!!"

and, I'm using the logic Y-O-U have pontificated for on this very board to make that argument. I guess you're finally coming around to seeing how ******* stupid your statements have been for the last "10 years".

and, for the record, I don't give a **** about Harbaugh nor about Carroll. Of the two, Carroll is probably the better coach, though, since he actually did turn over a roster completely to build the team he wanted. Harbaugh, as you've noted with Tombert, did not rip his team apart in order to build it. Thus, it can be emphatically stated that Harbaugh has never had to rebuild a team. Either. Which is what Y-O-U get up Tombert's *** about. Both Harbaugh and Tomlin gauged the talent on their inherited teams and adjusted accordingly. All your argument is doing is stating that Harbaugh is a better coach than Singletary. And the respective records between Harbaugh and Singletary do not dictate anything differently.

though you'll now discredit that by saying that coaching records don't tell the overall story either.

circular arguments are your lifeblood.

 

[Superman]

The other day I think I typed "Roethilsberger" by mistake. Once I referred to "Cortex Allen." I need help and prayer. What lying, deceitful **** will pour from my keyboard next?

Again.. idiot.

so you really do not have a problem being WRONG, but when it is pointed out to you that you're thinking of an entirely wrong player and wrong person, you get pissy.
duly noted.

 

[ark steel]

I'm certainly sorry you don't find it legit or consider it invalid. The similarities are there. As I said you can choose to ignore them (or whitewash them) if you like. It matters not to me. That doesn't change whether they exist. In four years we can have the same argument if Harbaugh is still riding high (assuming you think he is this season).

And just out of curiosity, what made Singletary "suck" so bad? Why was he an awful coach?

I don't know. Clearly, to many, he had put together some pretty good players. I have no idea why he wasn't able to win with them. Completely irrelevant to the current argument, so I haven't spent any time for research, nor do I intend to do so.

 

[Idioteque]

thank you. i was hoping you would state that. since it now solidifies your stance that Tombert is fully responsible for the records of the competition he faces year in and year out.

Not at all, Daisy. Just pointing out that your statement about strength of schedule holds no water. You whined that "Yeah, but Harbaugh never has to play anybody!!!" and I pointed out that he plays the same number of bad teams as we do.

otherwise you'd have not made such a ridiculous statement. Unless, of course, you are stating that the NFC West is far more better and gooder than the AFC North. overall, year in and year out. Not just a "trend" as you so ungraciously want to fall back on, as you'll throw out the 2012 and 2013 records of those divisions and say "SEE?! I was right all along!!!!!!!!!! Because I'm gooder than you!!!!!!"

Regardless of division.. Harbaugh has played 26 teams under .500 and Tomlin has played 27. Wow. What a striking difference in strength of schedule.

God. Damned. Idiot.

and, I'm using the logic Y-O-U have pontificated for on this very board to make that argument. I guess you're finally coming around to seeing how ******* stupid your statements have been for the last "10 years".

Both Harbaugh and Tomlin gauged the talent on their inherited teams and adjusted accordingly.

LOL. And a fine job Tombert has done there. No line, no d-line, no pass rush, no secondary, no special teams.

All your argument is doing is stating that Harbaugh is a better coach than Singletary. And the respective records between Harbaugh and Singletary do not dictate anything differently.

I actually posted quite a few measures in which Harbaugh's teams have slaughtered Tomlin's. I doubt you read them, though. You just started drooling and pounding the keyboard as soon as you saw my name.

circular arguments are your lifeblood.

Do you know what those are? Can you define them?

 

[Idioteque]

I'm certainly sorry you don't find it legit or consider it invalid. The similarities are there.

The similarities you provided were "look at their team's 2014 records." What are the others?

I provided a lot of differences. You haven't addressed any of them.

As I said you can choose to ignore them (or whitewash them) if you like. It matters not to me. That doesn't change whether they exist. In four years we can have the same argument if Harbaugh is still riding high (assuming you think he is this season).

Whitewash? Huh? I provided quite a bit of reasoning for their many differences. What did I "whitewash"?

I don't know.

Well, you told me he sucked. And that Harbaugh is better than him. How did you arrive at that conclusion without knowing why Singletary sucked?

What if I said "Tomlin sucks!" and when asked why I thought that, I responded "I don't know"? I think your and Supe's brains and computers would break. If we're having a discussion here, why am I the only one required to support any of my opinions? All while being told I'm "whitewashing" something?

Clearly, to many, he had put together some pretty good players. I have no idea why he wasn't able to win with them.

..but the next guy came along and dominated with them immediately.

Completely irrelevant to the current argument, so I haven't spent any time for research, nor do I intend to do so.

You told me Harbaugh is vastly superior to Singletary, who "sucked." All I asked was why you think Singletary sucked. How is Singletary's coaching irrelevant to a discussion of Singletary's coaching vs. Harbaugh's coaching?

 

[Superman]

so when the logic is applied to Harbaugh, the argument is invalid
since, as you say, there is little to discern the difference between them.

which goes right back to what ark said regarding that there is not a major difference between Tombert and Harbaugh.

which, you most obviously understood as you argued against and for that for going on another 20 pages.

 

[Idioteque]

so when the logic is applied to Harbaugh, the argument is invalid

I feel an argument is invalid when there's nothing to support it. Ark told me the two coaches are similar because their 2014 records and penalty yardage are similar. He won't list any other ones.

 

[awboatguy]

Anybody keeping score? What's the over/under?

 

[Superman]

I feel an argument is invalid when there's nothing to support it. Ark told me the two coaches are similar because their 2014 records and penalty yardage are similar. He won't list any other ones.

why should he? you discredit anything anyone states about virtually anything.
someone could ask you what color this is:

and you would state that it is a combination of blue and red. just so you could try to be seen as more intellectual.

 

[ark steel]

I feel an argument is invalid when there's nothing to support it. Ark told me the two coaches are similar because their 2014 records and penalty yardage are similar. He won't list any other ones.

Really, all of that I typed and I won't list any other ones? Jeesus Christ on a Caterpillar.

You should also note that NOTHING I typed (which you, apparently, didn't read) invalidated your opinion that JH is a good coach. Just that someone without a preconceived notion might think there are reasons that it might not be true.

 

[ark steel]

why should he? you discredit anything anyone states about virtually anything.
someone could ask you what color this is:and you would state that it is a combination of blue and red. just so you could try to be seen as more intellectual.

You should have used "whitewash"....

 

[Superman]

You should have used "whitewash"....

So true. My bad.

 

[Idioteque]

Really, all of that I typed and I won't list any other ones? Jeesus Christ on a Caterpillar.

You should also note that NOTHING I typed (which you, apparently, didn't read) invalidated your opinion that JH is a good coach. Just that someone without a preconceived notion might think there are reasons that it might not be true.

What other similarities that you've brought up have I ignored? They have similar records this year. The 49ers have lost to two bad teams this year (though they've been absolutely dominant against bad teams throughout Harbaugh's tenure). They've had almost as many penalties this year as we have. And one of their players got suspended. I've looked through your responses about this. I'm just not seeing any comparisons you've made that I haven't addressed. Which ones?

Meanwhile, I gave you quite a few facts, stats, etc. that you haven't made a peep on. You just started talking about how Singletary must have really sucked. But you don't know why. It sounds like you're so dead set on making Harbaugh look mediocre that you're willing to say anything, like "Well, I assume the last coach must've been awful! But I don't know why."

Just stating an opinion without support for it doesn't make it valid. If I say the sky is polka dotted just because I feel it's polka dotted, is that a real, valid opinion?

It's not about intelligence. It's about backing what you say with support. Otherwise it's just talking for the sake of it. That's fine if it gets your dick hard, but don't be heartbroken when someone points it out.

 

[ark steel]

JHC!

You even ******* replied to the post. Took over a team that had a lot of talented players. 14 of the 22 starters in his SB (losing BTW) were from before his time here. They didn't know how to play football before Harbaugh showed up. I am EXPLICITLY stating that they didn't magically learn to play football from one year to the next. There is reasonable suspicion that Singletary wasn't a good HC since he had losing records with what seems to be some pretty good players. if you can't see that **** it is because you are willfully blind and dead set on Harbaugh being "good". I don't care if he is or isn't. YOU MUST INSIST THAT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES HAS AN INVALID OPINION AND IS WRONG. THERE IS NO OTHER ******* OPTION.

Get it yet? Look for your damn self.

 

[Idioteque]

No, cupcake. I called your comparison invalid because there wasn't a strong comparison there.

14 of 22 starters were there 2 years later? Call Guiness! Wait, don't. That sounds like every goddamn team in the league. If I'm not mistaken Tomlin had 20 of 22 starters from the previous regime two years later. So, calling this a "similarity" is like saying "They both have fingers."

(Actually, no it's not. 20/22 is a lot more than 14/22. Tomlin inherited 91% of his starters; Harbaugh inherited 64%. A huge ******* difference.)

Took over a team with a lot of talented players? Jeepers, it sure looked like it. They hadn't topped 8-8 in seven years. Indeed, Harbaugh took over a bubbling cauldron of championship talent. QB'd by the incomparable Alex Smith. Fresh off finishing 24th in scoring. A whopping one All-Pro. That's pretty much the same as taking over a team that had gone 39-15 over the previous 3 seasons, with a SB win and three All-Pros. I don't know what I was thinking!

Wait, sorry. Your stance is that the previous coach was so awful that any coach could've stepped in and gone to 3 straight title games IMMEDIATELY. Below .500 every year to the title game in your first year, the SB in your second, another title game in your third, and in the thick of the playoff hunt in your fourth. Any mediocre coach could've done that. You don't know why; you just feel it in your bones. Well that's certainly valid. I hate when common sense gets in the way, too.

Disagreeing is one thing. Just saying stuff that doesn't align with reality because you want to is another. You say you have no idea about Singletary's coaching and whether he was good or not - well isn't that kinda the backbone of your entire effing point? That they were a poorly-coached but SB-ready team just waiting for a decent coach to come along? You say the 49ers were loaded with talent despite having 2 Pro Bowlers and 1 All-Pro. You say they were in the same boat as Tomlin when he took over. Then you want those statements to be taken as real, valid opinions?

Again, the sky is polka dotted and rains Reese's Pieces at night. Why do I say that? I dunno, but STFU, IT'S MY OPINION!!!!! Anyone who tells me, no, it doesn't... they're just douchebags and think they KNOW IT ALLLLL!!!!

And these were the vicious, sarcastic, know-it-all responses that got you all oppressed and martyr'd up:

Actually, they're both riding in exactly the same spot...8th position in their respective conferences.

They're in similar shape this year. Difference is, San Francisco has been to 3 conference championships in the last 3 years, while the Steelers haven't won a playoff game.

Not to mention they've missed big, big components of their core this year. GOOD players, too. Willis, Bowman, Aldon Smith (their three best defenders).. Iupati.. Vernon Davis.. None of that "Gilbert was out and Woodley is only 80%; THAT'S why we keep losing!" stuff.

Yes, I see it now. The vile hatred that forced poor li'l ol' you to get in lockstep with Big Brother. I feel ashamed, and I'm sure topseed does too. Just mean and snarky and hurtful. You have my most sincere 'pologies.

 

[Coryea]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

 

[ark steel]

No, cupcake. I called your comparison invalid because there wasn't a strong comparison there.

14 of 22 starters were there 2 years later? Call Guiness! Wait, don't. That sounds like every goddamn team in the league. If I'm not mistaken Tomlin had 20 of 22 starters from the previous regime two years later. So, calling this a "similarity" is like saying "They both have fingers."

Took over a team with a lot of talented players? Jeepers, it sure looked like it. They hadn't topped 8-8 in seven years. Indeed, Harbaugh took over a bubbling cauldron of championship talent. QB'd by the incomparable Alex Smith. Fresh off finishing 24th in scoring. A whopping one All-Pro. That's pretty much the same as taking over a team that had gone 39-15 over the previous 3 seasons, with a SB win and three All-Pros. I don't know what I was thinking!

Wait, sorry. Your stance is that the previous coach was so awful that any coach could've stepped in and gone to 3 straight title games IMMEDIATELY. Below .500 every year to the title game in your first year, the SB in your second, another title game in your third, and in the thick of the playoff hunt in your fourth. Any mediocre coach could've done that. You don't know why; you just feel it in your bones. Well that's certainly valid. I hate when common sense gets in the way, too.

Disagreeing is one thing. Just saying stuff that doesn't align with reality because you want to is another. You say you have no idea about Singletary's coaching and whether he was good or not - well isn't that kinda the backbone of your entire effing point? That they were a poorly-coached but SB-ready team just waiting for a decent coach to come along? You say the 49ers were loaded with talent despite having 2 Pro Bowlers and 1 All-Pro. You say they were in the same boat as Tomlin when he took over. Then you want those statements to be taken as real, valid opinions?

Again, the sky is polka dotted and rains Reese's Pieces at night. Why do I say that? I dunno, but STFU, IT'S MY OPINION!!!!!

I've decided that your position is invalid, so you can type away. You are hard headed to a astonishing degree.

 

[AggieSteel]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

Yep. The answer is yes. Yes we do

 

[JupiterBnG]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

Judging by tonight's performance, before it happens, I'll go out on a limb and say "yes."

 

[Steelerfan]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

That question is invalid.

 

[Omar10213245]

lol what??? Just about every cat that I've ever known likes to be left alone so they can sleep all day. Dahell are you talkin about, Jr?? A cat "acts better than everyone else"??? Ooook....

Well ok, I guess.

 

[Omar10213245]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

Yes we, long time ago. The answer is "yes, we do"

 

[Omar10213245]

Yep. The answer is yes. Yes we do

Lol, i didnt even see this before i posted my response

 

[Idioteque]

I've decided that your position is invalid, so you can type away. You are hard headed to a astonishing degree.

Yeah. It takes a hard-headed egomaniac to know that 20 starters is a lot more than 14, and that the 49ers were better with Harbaugh than before him. Indeed, that's just my hard-headed, inflexible, self-important view. Nobody else could come to those conclusions.

I'm just baffled as to how one can form an opinion on the difference between two coaches while admitting himself that he knows absolutely nothing about one of them.