We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[deljzc]

The debate we have about Tomlin is the same debate teams with average to good quarterbacks have ALL THE TIME.

Should the Giants keep Eli? Is Flacco a positive or negative for the Ravens? Should the Eagles give a big contract to Nick Foles? Is Alex Smith good? Matt Stafford? Matt Ryan?

When you discuss the mediocre or the slightly above average, there is a segment of the fan base that worries things could get WORSE without them. The guy you get at QB could be worse than average.

That same principle is what is driving the entire Tomlin debate. Most here admit he is not the next coming of Chuck Noll. If he does end up with hall-of-fame credentials, it will come on the back of longevity and put him in the compan of like Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren.

The debate isn't about Tomlin any more. It's about what COULD happen if we fire him. For some they worry more about worse than better. Other think the chances of better are greater.

That's why I'm WAY past comparing Tomlin to others. The only real debate is what are the chances we get BETTER if we fire him. That's it. After 8 season, it's not a loyalty issue. It's not "give him a chance" issue.

It really just comes down to that very simple question: If we fire Tomlin after this season, would you be more optimistic about the future or less optimistic about the future?

 

[AggieSteel]

Yep and I'm tired of being risk averse. We see what this team is capable of when they play the best teams on the schedule and are up for the game. To me there is just absolutely no way that we couldn't find another coach to get more out of them ON A CONSISTENT basis.

I mean sure it could be worse. It can always be worse. The Bears can do worse than Jay Cutler. Will they win a Super Bowl with him? Good grief absolutely not. He's good enough to give fans hope in his best moments, and bad enough to know it will never last. Tomlin in 2014 is the Jay Cutler of coaches.

 

[ark steel]

The debate we have about Tomlin is the same debate teams with average to good quarterbacks have ALL THE TIME.

Should the Giants keep Eli? Is Flacco a positive or negative for the Ravens? Should the Eagles give a big contract to Nick Foles? Is Alex Smith good? Matt Stafford? Matt Ryan?

When you discuss the mediocre or the slightly above average, there is a segment of the fan base that worries things could get WORSE without them. The guy you get at QB could be worse than average.

That same principle is what is driving the entire Tomlin debate. Most here admit he is not the next coming of Chuck Noll. If he does end up with hall-of-fame credentials, it will come on the back of longevity and put him in the compan of like Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren.

The debate isn't about Tomlin any more. It's about what COULD happen if we fire him. For some they worry more about worse than better. Other think the chances of better are greater.

That's why I'm WAY past comparing Tomlin to others. The only real debate is what are the chances we get BETTER if we fire him. That's it. After 8 season, it's not a loyalty issue. It's not "give him a chance" issue.

It really just comes down to that very simple question: If we fire Tomlin after this season, would you be more optimistic about the future or less optimistic about the future?

I don't disagree, but the crux of the matter is who you replace him with. At that point, you HAVE to compare him to the others, right? Otherwise how do you know that the new guy will be better? Obviously, the answer to some is that "it couldn't get worse", but that is demonstrably false just by looking around the league.

 

[Vader]

It really just comes down to that very simple question: If we fire Tomlin after this season, would you be more optimistic about the future or less optimistic about the future?

Depends on who they hire. But Tomlin isn't going anywhere. The Rooney's are never going to get rid of him unless he has several below average years, and I don't mean 8-8 seasons.

 

[ark steel]

Depends on who they hire. But Tomlin isn't going anywhere. The Rooney's are never going to get rid of him unless he has several below average years, and I don't mean 8-8 seasons.

I think they, certainly, will not fire him unless next year is a 3-4 win season. If this season ends up 8-8 and the next two are 8-8 or worse, I think, as del said earlier, they would, probably, let his contract expire.

 

[ark steel]

It really just comes down to that very simple question: If we fire Tomlin after this season, would you be more optimistic about the future or less optimistic about the future?

Also, what are your expectations of the new coach. Seemingly he brings in his own OC/DC. Maybe, some of the position coaches stay?

Does the guy make the current players better or is he given some slack for a couple of years to improve the overall team? The Rooneys, probably, aren't inclined to fire him after a couple of years, even if they are losing seasons. How long do you give him to "right the ship"?

 

[Superman]

Also, what are your expectations of the new coach. Seemingly he brings in his own OC/DC. Maybe, some of the position coaches stay?

Does the guy make the current players better or is he given some slack for a couple of years to improve the overall team? The Rooneys, probably, aren't inclined to fire him after a couple of years, even if they are losing seasons. How long do you give him to "right the ship"?

based on the perception of the fundamentally illiterate of the board, if a coach comes in and does not immediately post a 13-3 season in his virginal year, then he, by all accounts, is not worth a **** and should be ****-canned. Thus, 13-3 in the first season is the benchmark of a really, really good coach. though, not elite. just really, really good. meaning, he can get to a championship game a few times, but by no means should his record or ability be discounted if he fails to win the only Super Bowl he coaches in. Even if his elite team...er, really, really good team... is being blown out by a team not previously known for being an offensive juggernaut.

 

[FordFairLane]

8-8 doesn't get him fired whether he deserves it or not with the Rooney's that I can agree with. They made the Rooney rule and as all liberals they cannot conceede they are wrong until something disasterous happens and 8-8 just doesn't cut it. So we will mutter thru 8-8 7-9 and 9-7 seasons until Roethlisberger calls it quits and then we will have a few of those 4-12 seasons that gets him canned.

 

[JupiterBnG]

Also, what are your expectations of the new coach. Seemingly he brings in his own OC/DC. Maybe, some of the position coaches stay?

Does the guy make the current players better or is he given some slack for a couple of years to improve the overall team? The Rooneys, probably, aren't inclined to fire him after a couple of years, even if they are losing seasons. How long do you give him to "right the ship"?

The Rooneys didn't make a move to can Noll or Cowher when they had sub-.500 seasons, and Tomlin still hasn't done worse than 8-8. We would have to stumble to a 3- or 4-win season before I see a coaching change happening. Noll and Cowher both strung quite a few 7-9, 8-8 and 9-7 seasons together without ever being in serious jeopardy of losing their jobs. From '84 to '91, Noll went 60-67 with one 5-11 season in '88. Cowher had a pair of 6-10 seasons, and the Rooneys would have kept on renewing his contract if he'd wanted to stay. Tomlin is 71-41, never under .500. I don't like him any more than most people, and I think this team wins despite him, not because of him, but at least on paper, I just don't see his job being in jeopardy unless the team really flops next year. Even this year, it's hard to imagine doing worse than 8-8. 9 or 10 wins and a playoff game seems entirely doable with the way the AFCN is right now.

 

[Superman]

The Rooneys didn't make a move to can Noll or Cowher when they had sub-.500 seasons, and Tomlin still hasn't done worse than 8-8. We would have to stumble to a 3- or 4-win season before I see a coaching change happening. Noll and Cowher both strung quite a few 7-9, 8-8 and 9-7 seasons together without ever being in serious jeopardy of losing their jobs. From '84 to '91, Noll went 60-67 with one 5-11 season in '88. Cowher had a pair of 6-10 seasons, and the Rooneys would have kept on renewing his contract if he'd wanted to stay. Tomlin is 71-41, never under .500. I don't like him any more than most people, and I think this team wins despite him, not because of him, but at least on paper, I just don't see his job being in jeopardy unless the team really flops next year. Even this year, it's hard to imagine doing worse than 8-8. 9 or 10 wins and a playoff game seems entirely doable with the way the AFCN is right now.

100% agree with that. I'd think Tomlin would need to record three consecutive 4-5 win seasons to then be on the hot seat. even then, the Rooneys would have to look at the overall talent on the roster to see if it'd a valid argument or not. I mean, if we're trotting out some jackass QB, an arena-league RB and no-name WRs and do not have an offensive line worth a damn, then that should be taken into consideration. As well as injuries. Hypothetics rule this part of the discussion though. All things being equal, if we have a **** ton of talent up and down the roster, and are posting 4-5 win seasons, then the Rooneys would be compelled to take action. anymore than 6 wins in a season pretty much guarantee Tomlin another year of paychecks. Just my unsubstantiated feeling based on absolutely on history to draw from, though.

 

[south dakota STEEL]

So how is everyone today? Had a ton of **** to do today, or I would have brought donuts, this AM.

I'm fine. Work sucked, but usually does. Just made some burger patties and opened a beer. Gonna freeze my *** off and grill some beef.

 

[Omar10213245]

The debate we have about Tomlin is the same debate teams with average to good quarterbacks have ALL THE TIME.

Should the Giants keep Eli? Is Flacco a positive or negative for the Ravens? Should the Eagles give a big contract to Nick Foles? Is Alex Smith good? Matt Stafford? Matt Ryan?

When you discuss the mediocre or the slightly above average, there is a segment of the fan base that worries things could get WORSE without them. The guy you get at QB could be worse than average.

That same principle is what is driving the entire Tomlin debate. Most here admit he is not the next coming of Chuck Noll. If he does end up with hall-of-fame credentials, it will come on the back of longevity and put him in the compan of like Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren.

The debate isn't about Tomlin any more. It's about what COULD happen if we fire him. For some they worry more about worse than better. Other think the chances of better are greater.

That's why I'm WAY past comparing Tomlin to others. The only real debate is what are the chances we get BETTER if we fire him. That's it. After 8 season, it's not a loyalty issue. It's not "give him a chance" issue.

It really just comes down to that very simple question: If we fire Tomlin after this season, would you be more optimistic about the future or less optimistic about the future?

could not agree more. I feel that this team, while not the MOST talented in the league, certainly has talent on their 53-man roster; we damn sure aren't at the bottom of the totem pole, in that regard. That said, I happen to be one of the people who thinks the Steelers CAN be better; more than anything, they can be more consistent, and I think that's mainly what most of us (who are calling for his ouster) want, more than anything else. (and no, I don't mean "consistently losing to sub .500 teams, lol)

 

[madinsomniac]

What we need to do is change the way a team is staffed. hire a strategian, a motivational guy, and computer savvy guys to formulate plays and gameplans using pure logic, past performance, and data rendering. Quit just recycling old football guys with tired schemes and clichés. The head coach should be an organizer and the guy who signs off on everything. he should be like the president, a mostly useless figurehead whose primary job is not to crew things up and to take blame when it goes bad...

 

[Omar10213245]

So how is everyone today? Had a ton of **** to do today, or I would have brought donuts, this AM.

I'm fine. Work sucked, but usually does. Just made some burger patties and opened a beer. Gonna freeze my *** off and grill some beef.

still at work, just slanging some dope. I will be joining you with a beer in an hour and a half.

 

[Lunar]

So how is everyone today? Had a ton of **** to do today, or I would have brought donuts, this AM.

I'm fine. Work sucked, but usually does. Just made some burger patties and opened a beer. Gonna freeze my *** off and grill some beef.

If your *** freezes off, will you grill and eat it.

 

[AggieSteel]

Right now!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[black and gold apex]

Right right now! He has no clue on having a team ready, he continues to show no clue what is going on as he stare on the sidelines and does he ever get in any players face. His pre game talk is how we play, a lot of fancy words and no substance. Time to move on Steelers.

 

[Steelers1356]

If they lose this game, Tomlin needs to be called into Rooney's office first thing in the AM, period.

 

[Vincent]

What we need to do is change the way a team is staffed. hire a strategian, a motivational guy, and computer savvy guys to formulate plays and gameplans using pure logic, past performance, and data rendering. Quit just recycling old football guys with tired schemes and clichés. The head coach should be an organizer and the guy who signs off on everything. he should be like the president, a mostly useless figurehead whose primary job is not to crew things up and to take blame when it goes bad...

Y'mean run it like its a billion dollar enterprise with a 150 million dollar payroll that affects its global brand equity with its every twitch?

 

[slashsteel]

So ******* tired of that ******* simpleton

get tomlin out of our ******* cityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

**** mee fuckity **** ****

****

 

[TDX27]

There're is no excuse for this three years in a row. If we lose this game, I don't care if we win out. - Tomlin must go. He is the common denominator unless you want to include our franchise QB.

 

[Steelerfreak]

Just read the thread title.....Where do I sign? Blue or black ink?

 

[scraps]

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[hook]

Did we ever decide if we need a new HC or not?

you're racist

 

[hook]

If they lose this game, Tomlin needs to be called into Rooney's office first thing in the AM, period.

ain't gonna happen. Get used to.SUCK.