Another botched challenge today, but I was encouraged to see Tomlin get fired up on the sidelines for once, after the bullshit taunting call on Big Play Willie Gay. After that, the team didn't let down, kept its composure, and only allowed a field goal to keep the lead at eight points. Good job.
We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!
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If the guy in New York considered it incomplete how can you consider it a botched challenge? Seem like a worthy challenge to me..just asking not arguing. Whats your criteria for botched?
Any challenge that is not successful is a botched challenge. That said, some challenges you make because you saw something but the replay official disagrees. The reasoning behind this particular challenge was sound. The outcome did not fall in our favor obviously, so we will accept that, go back to the lab and not live in our fears when it comes to throwing the red flag again.
Because the receiver took AT LEAST three steps with the ball, establishing possession in the field of play. Then he lost control of the ball, still in bounds, and covered his fumble as he went out of bounds. The guy in New York was wrong.
thought a player catching the ball while in contact with the defender had to maintain the catch through the end of the play????
I saw Kelce catch the ball and clearly take 3 steps with it before losing the handle. What "something" did you see?
That's the rule. At least, that's what the guy in NY said.
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I'm thrilled for the win. I'm happy about a few things that are happening. I'm excited to see what happens. I expect there are quite a few challenges ahead.
Admittedly, this coaching staff continues to exceed my expectations. But there it is. My expectations of them are really quite low. One or two wins aren't going to turn me into a bona-fide Mike Tomlin believer. I was a big supporter for years until I saw a pattern of consistent shortcomings in his performance. Admittedly I was comparing his performance against somebody I respected a great deal. However I did see a tremendous shortcoming in his performance. So far I have NOT seen "pattern" of improvement that I'm willing to bet the farm on.
Show me a pattern and I'll feel better about it. 10-6 on this schedule doesn't surprise me at all. How they got to 10-6... now that's a bit more surprising. Nonetheless, going into the season a person wouldn't have guessed the team would be lower than 10-6 in the win-loss column.
Next week playing a fully DESPERATE Bengals team will be a true test.
Then entering the playoffs with essentially a "playoff virgin" team will be another test.
Admittedly that's all rough on Tomlin since he's got nothing but difficulties in front of him, but he's a veteran coach and he DOES have some amazing weapons on offense. He's also got some good vets on defense to lean on and perhaps the electric charge in the city can help fire up the young guys and get them ready for what's coming.
We'll see.
Admittedly, this coaching staff continues to exceed my expectations. But there it is. My expectations of them are really quite low. One or two wins aren't going to turn me into a bona-fide Mike Tomlin believer. I was a big supporter for years until I saw a pattern of consistent shortcomings in his performance. Admittedly I was comparing his performance against somebody I respected a great deal. However I did see a tremendous shortcoming in his performance. So far I have NOT seen "pattern" of improvement that I'm willing to bet the farm on.
Show me a pattern and I'll feel better about it. 10-6 on this schedule doesn't surprise me at all. How they got to 10-6... now that's a bit more surprising. Nonetheless, going into the season a person wouldn't have guessed the team would be lower than 10-6 in the win-loss column.
Next week playing a fully DESPERATE Bengals team will be a true test.
Then entering the playoffs with essentially a "playoff virgin" team will be another test.
Admittedly that's all rough on Tomlin since he's got nothing but difficulties in front of him, but he's a veteran coach and he DOES have some amazing weapons on offense. He's also got some good vets on defense to lean on and perhaps the electric charge in the city can help fire up the young guys and get them ready for what's coming.
We'll see.
In the end zone, certainly. Was this play in the end zone?
that is not just an endzone rule...it is anywhere in the field of play
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I believe the discussion is whether he was going to the ground while he was taking those 3 steps...if so he has to maintain control through out the play.
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He already had established possession in the field of play by taking those three steps with the ball. Then he fumbled it on his way to the ground. Pretty simple, really.
If he had fallen down out of bounds first and not maintained the ball, there would be a reason for discussion. BUT HE FUMBLED IN THE FIELD OF PLAY.
My point was it was worthy of a challenge. The fact that the official in NY agreed made it worth the challenge IMO. That play look more like an incomplete pass then Kelce's fumble against the Cardinals.
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I think topseed is right, a third step gives you possession regardless if you are going to the ground or not. if you catch the ball and only get two feet or another body part in as you are going to the ground, then that rule comes into play. the third step makes it possession and a fumble. Its a dumb rule anyhow
Yes, you've made your point clear.
Maybe there's a reason this mystical "guy in NY" is in New York and no longer officiating NFL games, because his opinion on the fumble two plays later was also incorrect.
Lol "mystical".. no need to get snippy. I actually agree with part of your statement. I thought it was close to three steps too. But the rule is if contacted by a defensive player you must control the ball(catch) all the way thru. The mystical guy is actually a well respected former ref.
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The guy who use to run the review system last year stated during the game it should not of been a catch because he didn't maintain control through out the process of the catch while going to the ground...or something like that. The ball was moving while going to the ground.
No snippiness intended.
I just can't invest a whole lot of confidence in a guy who made two mistakes in five minutes, whether he was in New York or Timbuktu. "Former" is the key word there.
And that same guy didn't understand that the knee of Jamaal Charles was on the ground an instant before Charles lost the ball, so it shouldn't have been a fumble. So what? I don't give a **** what job he used to have, he was wrong on both of these replays.
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or the refs were....or don't they ever get them wrong?
To me it was never about right or wrong but if the play was worth spending a challenge on. To me it was.
on that fumble call its pretty consistant with how I have seen that scenario play out in the past... if the ball moves in his arms like it did before he was hit and he was adjusting it, then he fumbles on the hit they say to rule it as if he never completely regained control. I saw this in another game before too. basically whatever is on the field stands unless they can show the ball in total control again. Its one of those situations where the still motions aren't useful, you have to watch the play at gamespeed to get a feel if he lost control and whether he had time to restablish before getting hit, then you have to see that the ball wasn't moving the whole time.
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