We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[ark steel]

Ya think? Ehhhh, maybe.

He may have been instructed that he was going to hire Haley?

 

[SteelerAl]

ARII wanted to get rid of Bruce Arians and he made that happen. He got sick of seeing Ben, his $100 million investment, take a beating. But Tomlin hired Haley. The Rooneys would never insist that their head coach hire a particular coordinator. They may be involved in the process of drawing up a list of candidates, but the head coach makes the final call.

 

[ark steel]

ARII wanted to get rid of Bruce Arians and he made that happen. He got sick of seeing Ben, his $100 million investment, take a beating. But Tomlin hired Haley. The Rooneys would never insist that their head coach hire a particular coordinator. They may be involved in the process of drawing up a list of candidates, but the head coach makes the final call.

That may be true, and what I would expect. I do wonder, though. I'm not sure anyone has the balls to actually fire DL.

 

[Wingman]

ARII wanted to get rid of Bruce Arians and he made that happen. He got sick of seeing Ben, his $100 million investment, take a beating. But Tomlin hired Haley. The Rooneys would never insist that their head coach hire a particular coordinator. They may be involved in the process of drawing up a list of candidates, but the head coach makes the final call.

I am curious Al, what is your basis for that statement? Particularly when the Rooneys are familiar with Haley. Is there some connection of familiarity with Haley that Tomlin has that you know about?

 

[GMC]

I really like the new twist. Last year Haley sucked and needed to go, but now coach T is a genius for hiring him. You can't make this stuff up.
No one is going anywhere unless they want to. I just hope they get the personnel department back in order. Imagine what this team could be with an above average defense.

 

[Tibs]

Tomlin personally recruited and hired Haley.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/42491/wake-up-rooney-says-tomlin-hired-haley

"I think the bottom line is, Mike was comfortable that's who he wanted to come in," Rooney told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "It may be fair to say that when he started the discussions and Todd's name was on his original list, I don't think he expected that Todd was the guy he was going to wind up hiring. But as he had more conversations with him, he became more comfortable that he was the right guy for the job."

According to Rooney, Tomlin had all of the initial talks with the offensive coordinator candidates on the phone before bringing in Haley and Jim Caldwell for interviews. Rooney said he spoke with Haley and Caldwell, describing it more as conversations than actual interviews.

"I wouldn't want my role in it to be overestimated because Mike has to decide who he wants on the staff," Rooney told the paper. "Even though there's always a discussion between me and Mike about who he's hiring and how much we're paying him and those kinds of things, it's normally a discussion of the business side of the arrangement than, 'Are we going to hire a guy who's going to run the ball so many times a game.' It was a fairly normal process as far as I'm concerned in terms of how we've done those kinds of hirings in the past."

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He may have been instructed that he was going to hire Haley?

As I recall, The Bruce was not aware that he was leaving until his key didn't work and he noticed his **** was stacked at the curb.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I am curious Al, what is your basis for that statement? Particularly when the Rooneys are familiar with Haley. Is there some connection of familiarity with Haley that Tomlin has that you know about?

Little thing like going up against a Haley led offense in the Super Bowl and almost losing might have led to some familiarity with Haley and a desire to bring him in when he became available. But, of course, that couldn't have been a consideration ... could it?

 

[Wingman]

Little thing like going up against a Haley led offense in the Super Bowl and almost losing might have led to some familiarity with Haley and a desire to bring him in when he became available. But, of course, that couldn't have been a consideration ... could it?

Sure could, which is why I asked. Sometimes the questions are just that questions as to what the other poster may have based his opinions on and why he feels the way he did.

 

[SteelerAl]

I am curious Al, what is your basis for that statement? Particularly when the Rooneys are familiar with Haley. Is there some connection of familiarity with Haley that Tomlin has that you know about?

It's mostly common sense plus close observation of the situation and the principals. Telling a head coach "you must hire [insert name here] to be your offensive coordinator" is just a terrible way to run an organization. It's stupid. Any head coach would hate it and it would make for difficult working relationships up and down the chain-of-command. Does that sound like the Rooneys to you?

Haley's dad worked for the Steelers. So what? ARII might even have asked Tomlin to interview Haley. Again, so what? Haley was certainly qualified given that he had prior experience as an OC and was good enough for the Chiefs to made him HC. But to think that Haley was forced upon Tomlin --- the person who holds that opinion either doesn't know how the Rooneys operate or has an agenda and is willing to ignore common sense in order to support that agenda.

 

[Wingman]

It's mostly common sense plus close observation of the situation and the principals. Telling a head coach "you must hire [insert name here] to be your offensive coordinator" is just a terrible way to run an organization. It's stupid. Any head coach would hate it and it would make for difficult working relationships up and down the chain-of-command. Does that sound like the Rooneys to you?

Haley's dad worked for the Steelers. So what? ARII might even have asked Tomlin to interview Haley. Again, so what? Haley was certainly qualified given that he had prior experience as an OC and was good enough for the Chiefs to made him HC. But to think that Haley was forced upon Tomlin --- the person who holds that opinion either doesn't know how the Rooneys operate or has an agenda and is willing to ignore common sense in order to support that agenda.

There are other ways besides the extremes listed. The Rooneys mentioned in the article that there was in fact input from them with the hire see one of the posts above and familiarity. Instead of it being something forced on him could it also have been something in the order of Mike we know this guy and think he would be a great coordinator here and really improve the offense and the run game that we have wanted to improve for years. Then Mike could simply say well I don't have anybody that I really want off of this list you gave me he might be the best choice lets go with him. There is lots of inside information that we are not privy to in the organization and how it works. There could also have been a connection between MT and Hailey that I was not aware of that would lead MT to think there was a good chance for synergy.

"I wouldn't want my role in it to be overestimated because Mike has to decide who he wants on the staff," Rooney told the paper. "Even though there's always a discussion between me and Mike about who he's hiring and how much we're paying him and those kinds of things, it's normally a discussion of the business side of the arrangement than, 'Are we going to hire a guy who's going to run the ball so many times a game.' It was a fairly normal process as far as I'm concerned in terms of how we've done those kinds of hirings in the past."

The above was a post from another poster quoting a publicized interview with ownership. So that would indicate to me there is more than one persons opinion being considered. I believe it is also much like the draft and likely many other personnel decisions that are made in the organization, I suspect there are more folks involved than just the person who holds the title on the organizational chart.

The other interesting thing with your statement indicates according to what you posted :

"ARII wanted to get rid of Bruce Arians and he made that happen. He got sick of seeing Ben, his $100 million investment, take a beating. But Tomlin hired Haley. The Rooneys would never insist that their head coach hire a particular coordinator. They may be involved in the process of drawing up a list of candidates, but the head coach makes the final call."

ARII had no problem unilaterally removing a coordinator but would not dare to hire one against his coaches will, I do not see those things as mutually exclusive. If MT is involved with the hiring and selection I would also think he would be involved in deciding a new direction was needed, after all firing a coaches coordinators would be just as difficult to work with as hiring them for a HC.

 

[SteelerAl]

I won't quote your entire reply, Wingman, but just a couple follow-up points:

- Dan Rooney once stepped in and told Chuck Noll (yes, Emperor Chuck) that he had to fire his offensive coordinator. Sometimes the owner has to step in because the HC has too much loyalty to his staff and can't see that it's time for a change. But I do see the two situations differently: telling your head coach that it's time for a change at offensive coordinator is far different than saying "guess what, Coach, Mark Smith is your new offensive coordinator. Have fun working together."

- I never said that ARII didn't have some input --- heck, I said ARII might have been the one to get Haley on the list of candidates --- but that's far different than having the final say so.

 

[Wingman]

The thing I was actually questioning initially Al, was did you have some idea or knowledge that maybe Hailey and Tomlin were acquainted with each other like many of the coaches in the league. Could they have been on someones staff together in the past and maybe been familiar with each other from a professional stand point? Thought you might have been aware of something that was not common knowledge. My point with the Rooney link was hey it is someone they knew that may have had an in because of a long standing familiarity. It seems that links to the Rooneys have some value in the selection process with several members of the staff. Porter, Lake, Olsavski spelling and I believe there are others.

I was not trying to argue with you just curious as to your thoughts. Sorry I did not make that clear enough.

 

[SteelerAl]

The thing I was actually questioning initially Al, was did you have some idea or knowledge that maybe Hailey and Tomlin were acquainted with each other like many of the coaches in the league. Could they have been on someones staff together in the past and maybe been familiar with each other from a professional stand point? Thought you might have been aware of something that was not common knowledge. My point with the Rooney link was hey it is someone they knew that may have had an in because of a long standing familiarity. It seems that links to the Rooneys have some value in the selection process with several members of the staff. Porter, Lake, Olsavski spelling and I believe there are others.

I was not trying to argue with you just curious as to your thoughts. Sorry I did not make that clear enough.

No worries, and sorry if I misinterpreted. But really, what relationship / familiarity did the Rooneys have with Todd Haley prior to his being hired? Isn't that being stretched quite a bit to fit a narrative? His dad worked for the team. He might have been a ball boy? That was a long time ago. As a professional, Todd never crossed paths with the Rooneys anymore than he did with Tomlin. The other guys you mentioned played for the Steelers.

 

[topseed]

At least, I've made an impression. Of course, I knew it would be misunderstood. Maybe, I didn't explain myself well.

Often, "defending Tomlin at every turn" means offering a possible explanation that doesn't start with the premise that "Tomlin sucks" and looks to back it up.

As I said. Some people like to read something other than negativity. Some people don't want that and must argue and nitpick.

Yes, you've made a clear impression as a Tomlin nuthugger. No doubt about it. By offering other "explanations" for his failures, you are OBVIOUSLY defending Tomlin.

Just stop trying to tell me you're in the middle of the road when you've never criticized the guy even one time. Just stop.

 

[topseed]

That brother on the sidelines at the end of the game huddling with Ben and Haley during the time out before they ran the play action to seal the game was Tomlin, right? He was actively participating on film in the discussion, so is it safe to say he may have had input to run that play? It may not have been him though, he was missing those cool *** shades you boys love to talk about so much. I know, Atlanta sucks, so the win shouldn't really mean anything.

Great aggressive playcall to seal the game. I loved it. And I was encouraged to see that Tomlin chose not to wear cool shades inside the Georgia Dome.

 

[ark steel]

Yes, you've made a clear impression as a Tomlin nuthugger. No doubt about it. By offering other "explanations" for his failures, you are OBVIOUSLY defending Tomlin.

Just stop trying to tell me you're in the middle of the road when you've never criticized the guy even one time. Just stop.

I will be sure to stop having independent thoughts. Gotcha.

I should have added, this is why I've ignored your "question" for so long. You don't really want an answer, you want to nitpick and call me a nuthugger. I don't know why that makes you feel any better, but if it does, I am glad for it. I guess.

You are so far gone, reason is beyond you. Good luck to you.

 

[topseed]

I will be sure to stop having independent thoughts. Gotcha.

I should have added, this is why I've ignored your "question" for so long. You don't really want an answer, you want to nitpick and call me a nuthugger. I don't know why that makes you feel any better, but if it does, I am glad for it. I guess.

You are so far gone, reason is beyond you. Good luck to you.

I actually encourage independent critical thinking. But I also know bullshit when I see it; that's what needs to stop. You've ignored my question because you don't have the (or any) answer that fits. All you have is a long list of examples which support the opposite.

You're "so far gone," you've convinced yourself that making excuses for Tomlin and looking everywhere else for alternate "explanations" somehow doesn't mean you're defending the man. But, yeah, you're the voice of reason here...God bless you.

 

[Tibs]

Awesome job coach Tomlin!!! Way to go man, let's keep the ball rolling.

 

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[Chicoman]

I LOVE THIS THREAD! I hope it never dies!!!

 

[CoolieMan]

this thread SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[steelermania]

I LOVE THIS THREAD! I hope it never dies!!!

Chicoman, I love when a guy can laugh at himself when he's wrong. Other Tomlin bashers act like they're mad that we're winning, and are still looking for stuff to complain about.

 

[thesteelcity]

Chicoman, I love when a guy can laugh at himself when he's wrong. Other Tomlin bashers act like they're mad that we're winning, and are still looking for stuff to complain about.

I've accepted that the whole coaching staff, including Tomlin, got their stuff together and they have turned this team around. Quicker than expected. Looking back at the Jets or Saints loss, everyone was to be gone. Look at them now! If you can't enjoy this success, sell your B&G ****. . . NOW!

 

[Chicoman]

Chicoman, I love when a guy can laugh at himself when he's wrong. Other Tomlin bashers act like they're mad that we're winning, and are still looking for stuff to complain about.

I'll be the first to admit I didn't think this turn around would happen this season after loosing to the lowly BUCS on the final play of the game in week 4. I give Tomlin credit for keeping this team focused and now he's got them poised for a playoff run.