Where DO we stand on the biggest factor on the team?
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He might not be … but I certainly am..You reported it numerous times are you wishing it to happen?
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The head coach thought Matt Canada was the guy to usher in a new QB. When he was a failure, Tomlin double downed on Canada. Just absolutely insane management.
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I don't think Kenny is the guy. I don't think Mason or Tanneyhill is the guy either. Having said that, i think there are 3 options.
1. Take advantage of having a rookie contract QB, spend the money elsewhere and try to win a Super Bowl with a top defense, top run game, and some explosive playmakers. Build up the OL, add another offense weapon and shore up the defense.
This is what the 49ers have been doing. Maybe you trade Najee, sign Saquon to a 1 year deal to add an explosive playmaker. Try to add a free agent WR. Draft a top CB to play with Porter. Then Center, then take advantage of the depth at OT in this draft to get a guy in rd 3. It's a short term plan, but who cares if you win the SB.
2. Go for a franchise QB. Decide which QBs your scouts have as a true franchise QB, then go up and get him and don't worry about the price. That price may set you back a year but it doesn't matter if you draft the right QB.
3. Hedge your bets. Go for a combo of 1 and 2. Stick with Kenny and Mason, and draft a later round QB to add to the mix. Stick with your current playmakers. Use draft to get the best CB, C and OT you can get in the first 3 rounds. I'm guessing this is the plan. It seems the safest but may actually be the most dangerous. It could lead to winning the division, maybe win a playoff game, then lie to yourself that Kenny or Mason is the answer and pay him big money.
1. Take advantage of having a rookie contract QB, spend the money elsewhere and try to win a Super Bowl with a top defense, top run game, and some explosive playmakers. Build up the OL, add another offense weapon and shore up the defense.
This is what the 49ers have been doing. Maybe you trade Najee, sign Saquon to a 1 year deal to add an explosive playmaker. Try to add a free agent WR. Draft a top CB to play with Porter. Then Center, then take advantage of the depth at OT in this draft to get a guy in rd 3. It's a short term plan, but who cares if you win the SB.
2. Go for a franchise QB. Decide which QBs your scouts have as a true franchise QB, then go up and get him and don't worry about the price. That price may set you back a year but it doesn't matter if you draft the right QB.
3. Hedge your bets. Go for a combo of 1 and 2. Stick with Kenny and Mason, and draft a later round QB to add to the mix. Stick with your current playmakers. Use draft to get the best CB, C and OT you can get in the first 3 rounds. I'm guessing this is the plan. It seems the safest but may actually be the most dangerous. It could lead to winning the division, maybe win a playoff game, then lie to yourself that Kenny or Mason is the answer and pay him big money.
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just my a**hole opinion but, (RACIST COMMENT) Fields (my nickname for him) will NOT get you there... ever.
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Kenny is the guy.
never has someone led their team to so many comeback wins, get hurt and have this **** pulled on him by his own coaches and the hometown fanbase. Why hasn't this f*cker demanded a trade? idk and i wouldn't be surprised to see something like that on draft day.
The defense could be a level above and beyond the Ravens if they - for the f*cking love of GOD - went out and got a goddamn NOSE TACKLE. Otherwise get a couple of 3-techniques and play the f*ckin 4-3. JFC. i'm so sick of the sh*t - like Tomlin needs a HoF at SS, CB, DE and ILB and THE OTHER ILB?!! for f*cks sake!
The offense needs much more. 1. A head coach that can pull his head out of a** and stop meddling in the playcalls. 2. A coordinator & GM on the same page so that the strategy can marry the skills of the players THEY DO have. 3. One wide receiver worth a f*ckin damn. PS. Odunze solves this last problem.
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PSS. i lied: i instantly recalled quarterback and part/full-time faith leader Tim Tebow. He had this **** happen to him.
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With KP’s record starting, and the fact that this WILL BE just year 3, I would give him all year to show up, even if he gets pulled a time or two. I keep putting him back in next game,
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T’iss the season.
BACON can be our friend.
Salute the nation
BACON can be our friend.
Salute the nation
Only coach can solve this riddle. If only he were here.
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Not sold on midass Kenny one bit
BUT
Keeping Tomlin out of the offense is the number 1 thing to do to fix it
#2 being get a legitimate QB back there which I'm hoping Kenny can become, but that can ONLY happen if and only if Mediocre Mike keeps his hands outta the offense
If he lets Smith do his thing I'll go out on a ledge and say even midass Kenny can average 20 a game
Problem is I don't think meddling Mediocre Mike can help himself and his genius from using his Midas touch on everything on the team
If we build the trenches every one on both sides of the ball becomes better. Every QB / RB struggles without a solid oline. On the other side of the ball we need a solid NT or just switch to a 4-3 and just stop with the basic cover 2 zones.
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Purdy is of far higher QB caliber than Kenny
The 49ers have had good x and o offensive schemes and play calling combined with very solid QB play from Purdy
The Steelers are nowhere near either of those two things
As much as I want a franchise QB in here there is no need for Mike to be the guy that gets to help bring him in
Let the next coach, hopefully next year, bring in his franchise QB (or at least take the swing/chance at getting him)
No need for Mediocre Mike to taint the talent
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
Sorry, I'm leaning towards disastrous: A 37 QBR and below QBs such as Ridder, O'Connell, Fields and Howell, and just above QBs like Mac Jones, Bryce Young and Zack Wilson. I mean, these guys are unwatchable, just terrible. Kenny Pickett has set a record for the lowest TD % of any QB who has played 500 attempts in the history of the league since the merger. The very worst ever.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/wh...-for-a-qb-in-nfl-history-minimum-500-attempts
Kenny has been God-awful. The only 2 people who don't agree are Tomlin and Rooney. Oh, and Bradshaw.
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A good litmus test is if Pickett put up these numbers on another team, how would you view him? If he was the starter for any of the other AFCN teams, we would hope he'd be starting next season for any of those teams. I'm rooting for the guy to succeed, it was just a big step back in year two. As much as I've been on the CB in the first, I almost feel the Steelers need to attack the OL (RT or C) in FA and add a top WR and either RT or C in the first two rounds to continue to build around the QB to try to set him up for success. If it fails, you have a young core in position to move on in 2025.
So let me get this right. Kenny sucks and Canada sucked, but Tomlin has to stay out of the offense. Tomlin has been criticized for making the offense very risk adverse. Well, if Kenny sucks and Canada sucked, why the heck would you take risks? If the those statements are true, perhaps Tomlin did the right thing? Don't launch of into he hired Canada and drafted Pickett. That's true, but it is a separate issue.
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And Bradshaw knows QB evaluations
The man who declared Sam Darnold more talented than Cam Newton
I believe his quote was “Sam Darnold is the most talented QB in Panther history”
And you and I both know Tomlin and Rooney suck at evals, so yep you’re spot on
The three guys that think he’s decent-good ALL suck at evaluating QBs
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Never a losing season. Greatest coach ever.
I’m withholding judgement until I see how KP does with a decent OC and a better QB coach.
Not saying he’s a bust, not saying he’ll be great, I’m saying we don’t know yet.
His first two seasons he played under a guy who was universally agreed to be the worst OC in the league.
In his first and only game without Duh calling the plays he put up 400 yards of offense, the first time that had been done in almost three seasons.
Not saying he’s a bust, not saying he’ll be great, I’m saying we don’t know yet.
His first two seasons he played under a guy who was universally agreed to be the worst OC in the league.
In his first and only game without Duh calling the plays he put up 400 yards of offense, the first time that had been done in almost three seasons.
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The QB and overall offensive inefficiency rests right here. I don't think KP is as bad as some perceive him to be.
That said, we will never know for sure.
