With patience can Fields become the next Lamar?

[insaniti]

There should be a lot of crow eating around here.

Why? He still has the same limitations, they just built the offense around him and his limitations. Then they got Henry, you HAVE to stop the running game, leaving all the WR'S in one on one coverage, and you get guys running WIDE open. Has he improved? Yes, could he sit in the pocket and pick you apart if the running game isn't working? No

 

[Hypocycloids]

Is the O line washed up
WR washed up?
Schemes washed up?

I don’t know.
But being that the average retirement age for an NFL QB is 28 both have gone past their expiration date.

Yes, I understand that are many greats that have played well into their thirties. They knew it was it was time.
I would have liked for Ben to retire earlier so we could have began our search for a QB.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Why? He still has the same limitations, they just built the offense around him and his limitations. Then they got Henry, you HAVE to stop the running game, leaving all the WR'S in one on one coverage, and you get guys running WIDE open. Has he improved? Yes, could he sit in the pocket and pick you apart if the running game isn't working? No

Argue Lamar’s limitations with those who think Lamar is the greatest.
Times are Changed may be able to help you to with that.

Read Steve’s reply.
Read the thread title.
I’m only interested in whether yinz think Fields could become the next Lamar, regardless of the limitations.
It’s up to Yinz stat heads and QB gurus to debate the limitations of either QB and state your opinion.

It seems to be a resounding no.
And that’s fine.

 

[TimesAreChanged]

OL is in better shape than with Ben's last year. RB is the same, WR room a wash. OC better now. Ben put up better numbers being washed. Already posted the comparison. Russell ain't it, he can't see the middle of the field, so he can't use it. That limits his ability right there. The fact he's 36 limits it even more. Would you have signed Ben for another 2-3 years? That's what you're insinuating with signing Russell.

I'm not insinuating anything but you get a black & gold star for using SAT word

 

[TimesAreChanged]

Why? He still has the same limitations, they just built the offense around him and his limitations. Then they got Henry, you HAVE to stop the running game, leaving all the WR'S in one on one coverage, and you get guys running WIDE open. Has he improved? Yes, could he sit in the pocket and pick you apart if the running game isn't working? No

watch a Baltimore game. He sits in the pocket and picks defenses apart and people sound stupid when they say he isn't a pocket passer and talk about "limitations"

Don't be that guy

 

[TimesAreChanged]

Argue Lamar’s limitations with those who think Lamar is the greatest.
Times are Changed may be able to help you to with that.

Read Steve’s reply.
Read the thread title.
I’m only interested in whether yinz think Fields could become the next Lamar, regardless of the limitations.

It seems to be a resounding no.
And that’s fine.

It may take Fields a long time like it did Lamar. We can't wait that long.

 

[bigben]

Nothing obvious about Wilson giving them a better shot at all

Dude went 6-6 with most of his wins vs the league trash and sucked out loud vs all the contenders except WAS

JF was given a more conservative scheme to operate in and did well and was improving
They opened it up a bit with Russ and he got worse...and his old a$$ ain't getting any better

Sticking with OldeRuss is a fool's move. Nice of you to leave out the rushing yards yards and TDs for your cherry picked offensive stat comparison. Did it not suit that weak argument you were trying to make? And of cousre leave out the games Russ sucked vs contenders too under the guise of only using Pickens played games,,,lmao

I posted the stats. They are what they are. Neither guy was great but Wilson's stats were better. Fields was not trusted to throw the ball for a reason. Pickens stats were better with Wilson. As were Wilson's.

Find some stats to support you're position.
Clown

 

[bigben]

But that's not apples to apples, they ran different offenses... Russell averaged 32 pass attempts a game, Fields averaged 26.

Yes because they know Fields is not a competent passing QB. He has 50 games worth of stats that prove it.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Why? He still has the same limitations, they just built the offense around him and his limitations. Then they got Henry, you HAVE to stop the running game, leaving all the WR'S in one on one coverage, and you get guys running WIDE open. Has he improved? Yes, could he sit in the pocket and pick you apart if the running game isn't working? No

Lamar is easily a top-4 quarterback, so he doesn't have many limitations and those that he has are more than made up for with his ability as a runner. His 41 passing TDs this year are more than our QBs combined for the past two seasons (including playoffs). The dude is really good.

 

[stuntmanmike]

Fields is of no value to your team if you’re not going to run him… as a pocket passer he’s less than average but as an extra running threat he was awesome. So of course, we didn’t run him. Same with Najee Harris, as an every down back he’s average throw him the ball out in the flat he’s a complete mismatch they cant tackle him. He was a destroyer of worlds! That’s the job of the coaching staff to create mismatches that put players in a position to get the most value of their talents. Our coaches cant suck **** through a straw!! We have what the Rooney’s appear to want: a very mediocre team that flirts with 8-9 9–8 every year, a team that barely scratches the surface of its talent.

 

[insaniti]

Lamar is easily a top-4 quarterback, so he doesn't have many limitations and those that he has are more than made up for with his ability as a runner. His 41 passing TDs this year are more than our QBs combined for the past two seasons (including playoffs). The dude is really good.

He's still a system QB. If Baltimore doesn't build that offense the way they did, he's not as good. He doesn't throw a lot of picks because he doesn't have to throw into coverage often if at all. If they get down big, and become one dimensional, he's not the type of QB that can bring you back.

 

[insaniti]

watch a Baltimore game. He sits in the pocket and picks defenses apart and people sound stupid when they say he isn't a pocket passer and talk about "limitations"

Don't be that guy

I'm watching the Ravens game right now. Pure passing plays he's not the same guy. He feasts off plays action.

 

[insaniti]

Argue Lamar’s limitations with those who think Lamar is the greatest.
Times are Changed may be able to help you to with that.

Read Steve’s reply.
Read the thread title.
I’m only interested in whether yinz think Fields could become the next Lamar, regardless of the limitations.
It’s up to Yinz stat heads and QB gurus to debate the limitations of either QB and state your opinion.

It seems to be a resounding no.
And that’s fine.

It would require us to do exactly what Baltimore has done with their offense. Run heavy, play action heavy...but the run has to be successful. Fields can be that guy, but like Lamar, don't get down big. And this is coming from someone who wanted Fields the whole year, and one who wants them to resign him.

 

[Hypocycloids]

Lamar choked in the playoffs again.
So maybe I’d rather not see Fields develop into another Lamar.

 

[TimesAreChanged]

He's still a system QB. If Baltimore doesn't build that offense the way they did, he's not as good. He doesn't throw a lot of picks because he doesn't have to throw into coverage often if at all. If they get down big, and become one dimensional, he's not the type of QB that can bring you back.

Every team has a system

Jackson throws wherever he wants from what I've seen

He is the type of QB who can bring you back

He's about a thousand times better than any QB on this team the past 7 years and would change the trajectory of this franchise from in the ******* to headed for more championships - on day 1

 

[TimesAreChanged]

Lamar choked in the playoffs again.
So maybe I’d rather not see Fields develop into another Lamar.

Might take too long like Lamar

 

[Buck Iron]

at this point, russ is the better qb but i don't think he's worth what his price tag will be. i'd shore up the oline, get another wr, a good stable of rbs and see what fields has. dude is still only 25. really need to shore up the oline and i'm also talking about depth. not sure what happens with najee, but he prolly won't be worth the pricetag. if he is, i'm all about bringing him back as long as we keep warren and add another. kyle allen is fine for a backup qb.

 

[insaniti]

I just don't see it, how people still think that Russ is the better QB... He has regressed so much, and you can't blame the OL and WR for his lack of awareness. Whether in the pocket or outside, he just doesn't have it anymore. He makes poor decisions way too often, and will randomly hit a moon ball and everyone freaks out. That's not good QBing

 

[DesertSteel]

I think Jalen Hurts is a better comp.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I just don't see it, how people still think that Russ is the better QB... He has regressed so much, and you can't blame the OL and WR for his lack of awareness. Whether in the pocket or outside, he just doesn't have it anymore. He makes poor decisions way too often, and will randomly hit a moon ball and everyone freaks out. That's not good QBing

Looked like he wore down, got worse, got happy feet and couldn’t play to better competition.

Sure he looked good vs trash coming off a half years rest

He’ll turn 37 during next season and he already looked OLD and tired this year…**** a blocking sled whooped his *** and knocked him out for almost 2 months…he should be running scared from DL and LBs

He’s cooked