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2018-19 Penguins and NHL Offseason

scstillerfan said:
Where the hell has this Malkin been? If he keeps it up the Pens have a real chance to make the playoffs. Now if Phil wakes up...
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They need to clean up defensively. Big time.
Shultz is coming back at the right time. Pettersen has some jump too, as does Ruhwedal.
I still think JJ is the anchor. Plug in Riikola and I'll be more confident
 
I don't care for 6-5 games. They aren't going to win a cup like this. Still glad they won but their defense looks lost at times. DeSmith saved their ***** today. He was smothered most of the game.
 
Good to see Malkin seem to be into the game and enjoying it. That's the Malkin we need to see. Disconnected Malkin can take a hike.
 
I wish we had another speed guy to go with Rust. Could really use a Connor Sheary again. I'd still look to move Kessel, and if you can Maatta (though that probably can't happen).
 
I seriously would think about moving Kessel, as well. GMJR should get two decent players back for him. I think Maatta is done for the season or I would move him, too. Murray scares me. I don't know about him anymore.
He is the X-factor going forward. If he doesn't play like he did against Philly and Edmonton, we are SOOL. DeSmith can't carry the load..
 
thesteelcity said:
I seriously would think about moving Kessel, as well. GMJR should get two decent players back for him. I think Maatta is done for the season or I would move him, too. Murray scares me. I don't know about him anymore.
He is the X-factor going forward. If he doesn't play like he did against Philly and Edmonton, we are SOOL. DeSmith can't carry the load..
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I'd like to see Kessel go too. Only problem is that Toronto is stilling paying 1.2M of his salary. With that much retention it would be hard to see enough value come back and not blow the cap. Now if the same team would take Jack Johnson in the package, now we're talking. I think Kessel will go in some kind of package this summer.


Murray and DeSmith are stinking up the place. Their stats are almost equally bad at this point. Bad D or not .914 is a pretty average save percentage. Both have has stretches of brilliance but there is no consistency. Their lows are just bad. The only possible savior here is that we'll see more blocked shots as it's already playoff hockey. I can't blame JJ for everything.
 
Uncle Ben said:
Murray and DeSmith are stinking up the place. Their stats are almost equally bad at this point. Bad D or not .914 is a pretty average save percentage. Both have has stretches of brilliance but there is no consistency. Their lows are just bad. The only possible savior here is that we'll see more blocked shots as it's already playoff hockey. I can't blame JJ for everything.
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Here are your stats showing how stinky Murray is -

https://thesportsdaily.com/2019/02/15/matt-murray-versus-the-world-p1b1/?fbclid=IwAR2NnpL6lHt3XpM56-geAOM3nt5H-Mg923eiyRhMdyZaVME9cmzQQtHS45E

CHARLES LECLAIRE/USA TODAY SPORTS VIA REUTERS

On December 15th, Matt Murray returned from a month-long stint on IR, making 38 saves in a 4-3 overtime against the LA Kings.

Since returning from injury, Murray has been nothing short of spectacular. In fact, just over a month ago, we took a look at just how good he had been in the 8 games after his return compared to that of his first 11 of the season.

Since then, Murray has played an additional 9 games, including his previous two, where he’s stopped 88 of the last 90 shots (.978 SV%) he’s faced in wins over the Flyers and the Oilers. This coming after missing one practice, one game, and backing up DeSmith in another before returning against the Flyers, riling up the locals waiting to bring out their “injury-prone” narratives.

Nevertheless, Murray returned to the ice and returned right back to form.

And, because he’s now played 17 games since December 15th, we have a large enough sample size to take a look at how Murray stacks up against the league’s top netminders since his coming back to really appreciate (again) just how great he’s been lately rather than looking just at his performances now compared to his performances at the start of the season.

So let’s do that thing.

As mentioned above, since returning from his trip to IR, Murray has been brilliant in his 17 starts. Heading into Wednesday night, he was 12-4-0 in 16 games, posting a 2.18 GAA and .935 SV%.

After Wednesday’s win over the Oilers, we saw his save percentage jump up to .938, GAA drop to 2.11, and record move to 13-4-0 since December 15th. Below, you’ll see exactly where Matt Murray stacks up among the 41 goaltenders that have played a minimum of 10 games since 12/15/18 in the basic statistics at all strengths of play, via NHL.com.

Qty. Rank
Games Started 17 16th (tied)
Minutes Played 1022:26 14th
Wins 13 3rd (tied)
Save Percentage .938 4th
Goals Against Average 2.11 6th
Shutouts 2 5th (tied)

Only Martin Jones and Andrei Vasilevskiy have won more games (14) since Murray’s return than Murray and Robin Lehner.

Only Andrei Vasilevskiy (4), Thomas Greiss (3), Sergei Bobrovsky (3), and Jordan Binnington (3) have supplied more shutouts than Murray’s 2.

And Murray’s .938 SV% has only been bested by just 3 other goaltenders: Thomas Greiss (.948 in 11 games), Robin Lehner (.943 in 17 games), and Juuse Saros (.942 in 11 games). Murray does, however, find himself .005 ahead of 6th best Carey Price and .013 ahead of 10th best Tuukka Rask, for context.

(Side note: just how crazy good have the Islanders goaltenders been?)

These are some obscene numbers, but still won’t tell you the full story of just how good he’s been. For that, we head over to Natural Stat Trick for the full story.

5-ON-5
From here, let’s take a look at how Murray stacks up against goaltenders that have played a minimum of 300 minutes at 5-on-5 since December 15th, a pool of 51 goaltenders.

Note: All stats from here on out are accurate prior to the start of games dated 2/14/19.

Qty. Rank
Minutes Played 832:00 11th
Shots Against Per Hour 34.76 2nd most
Save Percentage (total) .944 6th
High Danger Shots Against Per Hour 7.64 33rd
High Danger Save Percentage .858 12th
Medium Danger Shots Against Per Hour 8.37 18th
Medium Danger Save Percentage .914 28th
Low Danger Shots Against Per Hour 16.15 3rd
Low Danger Save Percentage .966 1st
Goals Saved Above Average 11.76 1st
Goals Saved Above Average Per Hour 0.85 5th

If you’ll remember back to the November 30th post comparing Murray, DeSmith, and Jarry, you’ll notice something that jumps out immediately here with respect to the location of the shots Matt Murray is facing. Prior to his stint on IR, Murray was seeing 10.52 high danger shots against per hour of ice time at 5v5, 7.63 medium danger, and 13.15 low danger. The Penguins, quite simply, were not doing much to help Matt Murray out in that regard.

Since then, they’ve gotten things together a bit more in terms of the location of the shots on goal and scoring chances allowed.

To that point, since his return, no goalie in that pool of 51 goaltenders has seen more shot attempts directed at him per hour of ice time than the 66.49 Matt Murray has. Only Collin Delia in Chicago has seen more unblocked attempts directed at him per hour (49.56 vs. Murray’s 48.53). Delia’s 38.77 shots against per hour also outranks Murray’s 34.76, too.

In spite of all of that, the Penguins have actually allowed slightly fewer scoring chances against per hour (28.53 then, 27.69 now) and high danger scoring chances against per hour (13.41 then, 10.6 now) since Murray returned in December versus his first 11 games of the season. Still, that number of 27.69 scoring chances against is 11th most and the 10.6 HD scoring chances against are 22nd most of that pool of 51 goaltenders.

Yet, even with seeing that uptick compared to the league and seeing just over 2 more shots at 5v5 per 60 minutes of ice time than he did prior to his injury, he’s actually facing just under 3 fewer high danger shots against. He’s found himself stopping nearly 86% of those high danger shots now, 12th best over that stretch. He also sees the most low danger shots against now, solidifying the idea that the Penguins are doing much better now at limiting teams than they were in October and November. Murray still needs to stop those shots and has done exactly that, allowing just 1 low danger goal since his return.

But perhaps what is most impressive is his Goals Saved Above Average, which is the measurement of goals saved versus the league average. In other words, if you were to put an arbitrary league average goalie X in goal to face the same shots, how many actual goals would Murray save compared to that theoretical goaltender X.

Since December 15th, not a single goaltender in the league has saved more goals above average than Matt Murray’s 11.76. Adjusting that per hour of ice time, his 0.85 GSAA ranks him 5th.

That means that if a game was played at 5v5 for the entire 60 minutes, Matt Murray will have likely saved the Penguins from conceding a goal at some point compared to that of a league average goaltender. If we were looking for something to tell us just how much Murray has helped to bail out the Penguins as of late, look no further than this.

To put this into perspective, of those 17 games that he’s played since coming back from his November injury, 6 of them have ended with a goal difference of just 1 or 2. In those games, Murray is 5-1-0. Saving 11.76 goals above the average (or nearly 1 more than the average every 60 minutes) plays a role in those decisions.

What’s also noteworthy is how much his Expected Save Percentage (which, much like expected goals, factors in shot quality, among other items), has grown this season.

In his first 11 games of the season, Murray saw his actual 5v5 SV% sit at a dismal 0.895, while his Expected Save Percentage sat at 0.912. Considering all of his games this season to date, his Expected Save Percentage has moved to a cool .923 (27th best of 73 NHL goalies that have played 200+ minutes at 5v5), while his actual 5v5 SV% for the season sits at .927, 21st best of that same pool of goaltenders (via Corisca Hockey). To see that sort of uptick after such a tumultuous and torturous start to the year is impressive. To see him now looking to break into the top 20 is also impressive.

PENALTY KILL
So if Murray has been a godsend at 5v5, what about his results on the penalty kill?

There’s the old adage that your goalie has to be your best penalty killer in this sport. It makes sense: a penalty kill’s success is rated based upon goals allowed per opportunities against. Goaltenders are tasked with preventing goals and if they do that, the penalty kill will succeed.

As of 2/14/19, the Penguins PK sits at an 82.2% success rate, 8th best in the league, despite having killed every penalty in a game just 5 times in the last 11 games, giving up 9 goals on 30 opportunities against (70% kill rate) and having gone 5 straight games without a 100% over that stretch.

They have, however, killed off 13 of their last 15 penalties (86.67%), including netting 3 shorthanded goals over that period.

[For further reading on how the PK defensemen are performing, our former Pensblog Boy Jesse Marshall busted some narratives over at The Athletic last week (TL;DR: Kris Letang – Good//Jack Johnson – Bad).]

But we’re here to talk about Matt Murray stopping shots, right? So let’s do that thing, looking at goaltenders that have seen a minimum of 30 minutes of penalty kill time on ice since 12/15/18 (49 goalies).

Qty. Rank
Minutes Played 88:49 9th
Shots Against Per Hour 44.58 39th
Save Percentage (total) .909 9th
High Danger Shots Against Per Hour 7.43 49th
High Danger Save Percentage .818 28th
Medium Danger Shots Against Per Hour 11.48 37th
Medium Danger Save Percentage .882 21st
Low Danger Shots Against Per Hour 24.99 13th
Low Danger Save Percentage .946 16th
Goals Saved Above Average 2.84 5th
Goals Saved Above Average Per Hour 1.92 10th

Since 12/15, only 8 goaltenders have seen more shorthanded ice time than Matt Murray. What’s interesting, though, is that Murr has actually seen the 11th fewest shots on goal on the penalty kill of these 49 goaltenders. That’s a trend that’s echoed in both the high and medium danger rate of shots on goal per hour of shorthanded ice time. You can see, too, that the Penguins have done a remarkable job for Murray in keeping opposing powerplays from getting shots in high scoring areas of the ice. What’s more, they’ve managed the 14th fewest shot attempts against (88.48), 8th fewest unblocked shot attempts against (62.14), 5th fewest scoring chances against (34.45), and fewest high danger scoring chances against (8.11) per 60 minutes of shorthanded ice time with Murray in goal.

So, you might be asking yourself why, if he’s facing so few shots from in close, is Murray in the middle of the pack in terms of his location-based save percentages?

Well, consider this: out of the pool of 49 goaltenders, the average high danger save percentage sits at .811, the average medium danger save percentage is .851, and the average low danger save percentage is .907. Matt Murray is well above the average in each of the 3 categories.

To really illustrate this, we need to look no further than his Goals Saved Above Average again here. His raw count of GSAA of 2.84 is fifth most of those 49 goaltenders, while his per hour rate of 1.92 is 10th best. And, though he finds himself in the middle of the pack in terms of HDSV%, he’s actually only given up 2 high danger goals against on the penalty kill (on 11 shots), bringing his high danger goals saved above average per 60 minutes of PK ice time to 0.06, which is fine. As is his 0.29 medium danger GSAA and his 0.85 low danger GSAA.

In other words, from all 3 danger areas, he’s performing above average across the board on the penalty kill. When the PK in front of him is as good at limiting high quality looks as the Penguins PK is, slightly above average is all you need from your goaltender.

With all that being said, we can see that the results are tangible and quantifiable now that we have a much larger sample size to work from: Matt Murray is back.

We’ll have to revisit this in April once the regular season finally plays out and we know where the Penguins stand for the postseason, but as it stands right now, it’s easy to reach the conclusion that Matt Murray has been one of the best goaltenders on the planet since returning in December.

To say that he’s regained his Stanley Cup winning form would probably be the world’s biggest understatement, too.

But he has and the Penguins are frankly a better team because of it. Anything else is just noise.
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I appreciate the stats. The problem is the roller coaster . Even if you smooth out the highs and lows, a .914 isn't going to do it. As I mentioned he had a brilliant 10-11 game stretch. Remove that stretch of brilliance and you're left with awful. Murray has the ability to be a Veznia winner but can't put it together. The cumulative stats above make him 10th or so. Being in the upper 3rd isn't so great. This is not his season but it's not over yet. .
 
Our goalies are capable of making stops they should.

I'm more worried about defensive play. We're either trapped in our end of the ice or give up odd man rushes.
Not to mention pesky turnovers.
 
Discounting the smaller selective sample size by the USA Today writer. If you look Murray lager sample of the entire season it is more predictive of how he will preform.

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/2018-19-nhl-goalies-stats.html

Quanthockey ranks him 33rd. Granted they use basic stats and blend.


Roster Resource ranks him 28th

https://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-goalie-power-rankings/

Natural Stat Trick ranks him 31st

ttps://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=g&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

Finally Hockey Reference ranks him 62nd You have to factor out the many small samples so actually it;s about 25th

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2019_goalies.html


Put this all together and I was being very generous by giving him the upper 3rd. The short stats of Save % and GAA are what matters to me and in both cases he is seriously under performing vs. the league and his own career.

I hate advanced stats for goaltending Matt Murrray is performing in the bottom of the NHL. So there your stats on why Murray Stinks........ to this point of the season.
 
MTC said:
Our goalies are capable of making stops they should.

I'm more worried about defensive play. We're either trapped in our end of the ice or give up odd man rushes.
Not to mention pesky turnovers.
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Beyond the first pairing our D has been barely tolerable. They allow too many second and third chances. Both goalies have trouble controlling rebounds and the D fails to clear the net front. We've had Cup teams with equally poor defense and that makes me feel somewhat better. With Schultz back I'm hoping for some improvement.

Turnovers by Malkin and Kessel have been a real stab in the back. It looks like Malkin finally pulled his game together, so there's hope there. Kessel has reverted to the type of play that got him out of Toronto. If someone can jump start Phil, it sure would make things easier.


NJ has owned us lately. Let's see how they do tonight ? Projected playoff entry is 94 points
 
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Worried about Phil. I don't think he's a liability, but he is not much of an asset lately either. His assists have been welcome. With his high profile expectations not being met, and his salary, he may be the next to go.
 
Djfan said:
Worried about Phil. I don't think he's a liability, but he is not much of an asset lately either. His assists have been welcome. With his high profile expectations not being met, and his salary, he may be the next to go.
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Really miss Tocchet as the Kessel whisperer. No one else seems able to reach him. Damn shame for a professional. Except for chemistry, I'm all for moving him. Wonder what the return would be ? Toronto's retention plays a big role.
 
Just for fun. I see the Pens Trade bait as the guys below. Rumor mills have the Pens scouting Chicago, interested in Wayne Simmons and Michael Ferland.. GMJR has tried to chased Duchene for like 3 years. Zuccarello may be available. There are others.


Trade bait

#1 Pick,
Kessel (1.2M retained and a modified no move),
Pearson,
Simon,
Johnson,
Ruhwede (UFA),
Jarry (One way contract next year),
Wilson (UFA),
Riikola (RFA),
Pettersson (RFA),
Maatta (injured),
Anyone else that you feel has value.


Keep in mind the cap. Now make a deal or deals that improve this team.

Help if you need it https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/pittsburgh-penguins-trade-bait-list/

Cap$ https://www.capfriendly.com/
 
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It's working for me. I'm in Wyoming. Not sure if that makes a difference.
 
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Djfan said:
It's working for me. I'm in Wyoming. Not sure if that makes a difference.
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Thanks. Sorry I didn't delete my post fast enough. I restarted my phone and it started working again.
 
Murray lets in a weak.... weak goal. WTF is he doing? 4-3 Pens.
 
Softest goal I've ever seen Murray allow
 
One of the more balanced and complete games we have played this year.
 
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