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And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia

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I agree, but that isn't what you want. You want Trump removed as President, whatever that takes, whether it is the truth or not. You know damn well that if Meuller's investigation clears Trump, you will be here posting how the fix is in. What you want is the truth as you believe it to be.

When this investigation most likely busts, they would just latch on to the next white knight they think can rid them of Trump. If that one is a bust, they'll find another one. Evidence or lack thereof is irrelevant.
 
Tibs, you too engage in the logical fallacy of "begging the question." You say Trump is a criminal, so it's okay to wiretap his conversations (by going after his staff), but that Obama and Clinton were not criminals, so tapping their conversations would be illegitimate.

The logical fallacy is that because Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that the wiretap of Manafort was at the direction of Obama (and Clinton, I guess). Who else is claiming Obama or Clinton was behind the wiretap. Aside Trump and his supporters? Forget Russia, do you think that there wouldn't have been anything from a wiretap that would have sabotaged Trumps campaign if that was the intent. You act as though Manafort is in the clear, wasn't he told by prosecutors that they intend to indict him?
 
The MSM has gotten to Homeland Security and they are claiming the Russians hacked 21 state elections. This must be so frustrating for Trump as they ignore the 3-5 million illegals who voted.

A president who operates in an alternative reality. What could go wrong?

and, see, that is another issue you and your buddies have no problem with.
ILLEGAL voting is ILLEGAL
yet it's just not that big of a deal to you ... even when your side loses.
 
So.....the evidence was so obvious, seems like there should hAve already been an arrest.
 
The logical fallacy is that because Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that the wiretap of Manafort was at the direction of Obama (and Clinton, I guess). Who else is claiming Obama or Clinton was behind the wiretap. Aside Trump and his supporters?

Oh, you mean like Nixon said that the break-in was not his doing, he had no knowledge.

Like that you mean?

You act as though Manafort is in the clear, wasn't he told by prosecutors that they intend to indict him?

So Trump's DOJ is free to bug and listen in on his political opponents if they think the operatives are (1) speaking to foreign powers, (2) engaged in illegal fundraising, (3) involved in voter suppression, (4) involved in illegal voter registration, (5) accepting donations from dubious sources, (6) accepting bundled donations, (7) or any other potential campaign crime. Bug 'em and find out what they **** they are doing.

Right?

Because that is EXACTLY what the bugging/tapping of Manafort was. Very Nixonian.
 
Oh, you mean like Nixon said that the break-in was not his doing, he had no knowledge.

Like that you mean?



So Trump's DOJ is free to bug and listen in on his political opponents if they think the operatives are (1) speaking to foreign powers, (2) engaged in illegal fundraising, (3) involved in voter suppression, (4) involved in illegal voter registration, (5) accepting donations from dubious sources, (6) accepting bundled donations, (7) or any other potential campaign crime. Bug 'em and find out what they **** they are doing.

Right?

Because that is EXACTLY what the bugging/tapping of Manafort was. Very Nixonian.

You do realize that the surveillance of Manafort started in 2014? Of course, you don't.
 
You do realize that the surveillance of Manafort started in 2014? Of course, you don't.

And why hasn't he been arrested for some crime? And if they didn't find anything, why was he still being surveiled? Sounds like government over reach to me, and should be investigated.
 
You do realize that the surveillance of Manafort started in 2014? Of course, you don't.

So no problem with Trump getting a FISA warrant and tapping phones of Wasserman-Schultz due to her IT guy, and Pelosi due to her being actively involved with foreign businesses that benefited her husband's company, or Kamala Harris for her abuse of AG power in California related to demonstrably phony criminal allegations?

Okay. So I better not hear one ******* word if Trump's DOJ bugs Democrat operatives.

NOT
ONE
WORD
 
And why hasn't he been arrested for some crime? And if they didn't find anything, why was he still being surveiled? Sounds like government over reach to me, and should be investigated.

Are you saying that any investigation that spans several years before charges are filed is an outrageous over reach?
 
So no problem with Trump getting a FISA warrant and tapping phones of Wasserman-Schultz due to her IT guy, and Pelosi due to her being actively involved with foreign businesses that benefited her husband's company, or Kamala Harris for her abuse of AG power in California related to demonstrably phony criminal allegations?

Okay. So I better not hear one ******* word if Trump's DOJ bugs Democrat operatives.

NOT
ONE
WORD

Trump getting? Again the premise is that it is the POTUS initiating the investigation...in Obama's case, long before Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. That's the world according to what Trump claimed absurdity.

I could give a **** if any of those people get indicted. It doesn't impact my life one bit.
 
Are you saying that any investigation that spans several years before charges are filed is an outrageous over reach?

When there has been a crime committed, then investigations can take years. Where is the crime? Why don't we just bug everybody, with the expectation that they MAY commit a crime at some point?
 
When there has been a crime committed, then investigations can take years. Where is the crime? Why don't we just bug everybody, with the expectation that they MAY commit a crime at some point?

So suspicious or inappropriate activity should never warrant and investigation? There must be a clear cut definable crime?
 
So suspicious or inappropriate activity should never warrant and investigation? There must be a clear cut definable crime?

I'm suspicious of every politician ever elected. Should we bug them all. Still after 3 years not a single damn charge, or a fact of any wrong doing.
 
Trump getting? Again the premise is that it is the POTUS initiating the investigation...

I know, right? Nixon never knew what the **** those other guys were doing.

P.S. Trog - DOJ reports surveillance, and when the subject of the surveillance is part of the opposing party's campaign, that report goes to the top law enforcement official in the land - Obama.

Oh, right, unless Obama was somehow ignorant that his law enforcement was bugging a member of Trump's campaign team. That can happen. Sure. Right.
 
I know, right? Nixon never knew what the **** those other guys were doing.

P.S. Trog - DOJ reports surveillance, and when the subject of the surveillance is part of the opposing party's campaign, that report goes to the top law enforcement official in the land - Obama.

Oh, right, unless Obama was somehow ignorant that his law enforcement was bugging a member of Trump's campaign team. That can happen. Sure. Right.

Well, if he didn't see it in the paper.....as clueless and stupid as The Big O is, easy to this k he didn't know.
 
Of course it was rigged


Comey Drafted Statement Ending Clinton Investigation Months Before Interviewing Her, FBI Confirms


In documents it released on Monday, the FBI confirmed that former FBI Director James Comey drafted a statement about the conclusion of the Hillary Clinton email investigation months before interviewing Clinton.

The FBI titled the release "Drafts of Director Comey's Statement Regarding Email Server Investigation." That title refers to a press conference Comey held in which he said the bureau had completed its investigation into Clinton's use of a personal email system and that it would not be recommending that the Department of Justice pursue charges, though Clinton had been "careless." The bureau interviewed Clinton on July 2, 2016.

http://www.newsweek.com/james-comey-fbi-clinton-emails-drafted-statement-686140
 
Wow. James Comey was part of the swamp. No wonder both sides of the aisle were in such a hurry to protect him. Our government is as corrupt as any the world over.
 
Wow. James Comey was part of the swamp. No wonder both sides of the aisle were in such a hurry to protect him. Our government is as corrupt as any the world over.


That’s why we elected Trump. To end the corruption and right the wrongs. People who are against the Trump agenda are against America. And that includes some GOP members of Congress, who need to be voted out in the primaries. And they will. This train isn’t slowing down.
 
Wow. James Comey was part of the swamp. No wonder both sides of the aisle were in such a hurry to protect him. Our government is as corrupt as any the world over.

I don't know why this comes as a surprise....
 
Russian collusion claim explodes in Dems faces!!


FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow


Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.

The FBI knew, Barack Obama knew, Eric Holder knew, Hillary Clinton knew. Seems as though they were all in on the plot to bribe Hillary Clinton:

They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.

The racketeering scheme was conducted “with the consent of higher level officials” in Russia who “shared the proceeds” from the kickbacks, one agent declared in an affidavit years later.

Obama and Eric Holder buried it:

Rather than bring immediate charges in 2010, however, the Department of Justice (DOJ) continued investigating the matter for nearly four more years, essentially leaving the American public and Congress in the dark about Russian nuclear corruption on U.S. soil during a period when the Obama administration made two major decisions benefitting Putin’s commercial nuclear ambitions.

The first decision occurred in October 2010, when the State Department and government agencies on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States unanimously approved the partial sale of Canadian mining company Uranium One to the Russian nuclear giant Rosatom, giving Moscow control of more than 20 percent of America’s uranium supply.

And they let the deal happen anyway:

“The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions,” a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

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http://thehill.com/policy/national-...sian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
 
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