Brady retiring

[Litos]

You aren't a Steeler fan you and I both know you aren't.. troll. No cheating required but yet they cheated over and over and over and over again. Like it or not those are facts that you have to deal with or don't. But it won't change the known known.

* Forever * and ever * just deal with it *

You can reside at

IamAClosetCheatriotFanInDenialTwatwaffle.com

No need to visit you would be right at home there.

I think it's time to ignore the troll, he has to live with his tainted trophies, we live with 6 rings to be fully proud of

 

[Slovan Sam]

So there you have 4 corroborated instances of cheating ("citations", if you will), 3 of which resulted in discipline from the league. And this is only what they were caught doing...any logical person would conclude there are likely many instances where they did things against the rules and were never caught. Especially considering all the former players who have had suspicions of other instances of cheating but just couldn't prove it. And even when they were caught cheating with Spygate, they were caught doing the same thing they were already punished for with the Bengals taping...all under Belichick and Brady.

I must have missed these 4 "corroborated" instances as demonstrated by how I proved your corroboration to actually be personal bias.

And no, any "logical" person wouldn't conclude there are "many instances where they did things against the rules". Individuals with poor coping skills who are upset by the Pats dominating their team for 2 decades may reach such a conclusion, but certainly not a well-balanced individual who can concede that a better team dominated us for this period of time.

 

[Litos]

Google "Patriots Cheating Scandals" and you'll find hundreds of articles with citations, player quotes, and the plenty of times they were caught and punished for it.

Here is an article from the first page of results.

Are the New England Patriots cheaters? Top 9 Patriots controversies in Bill Belichick era

"Deflategate" isn't the first time the New England Patriots have been ensnared in controversy. The Patriots have been known to push the boundaries of the NFL's rules. The following are the major controversies involving the Patriots in the Bill Belichick era.

www.oregonlive.com

1) "Deflategate

An NFL investigation found that 11 of the 12 footballs used by New England were underinflated during the Patriots 45-7 win against Indianapolis in the 2015 AFC Championship game."

(This is undeniably against league rules...aka cheating.)

From Fox Sports... "Noted in that release is that the New England Patriots will forfeit a fourth-round pick, No. 132 overall — their final punishment for the Deflategate scandal. The Pats already had been stripped of their 2016 first-round pick, fined $1 million and hit with the four-game suspension of Tom Brady."

(Proof of being caught and punished for cheating. The team and Brady were both hit with punishments.)

2) "Spygate

Another NFL investigation found the Patriots illegally videotaped the New York Jets defensive signals during a game in 2007. The Patriots were penalized a first-round draft pick, fined $250,000 and New England head coach Bill Belichick was personally fined $500,000."

(Now the public doesn't know what was on those tapes because the NFL "destroyed" them without releasing them, most likely to save the integrity of the league. But it's undeniable whatever was on the tapes was against league rules as the Pats were punished by losing a 1st round pick and both the team and Belichick himself were fined 6 figures.)

3) "False injury reports

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is well known for "finessing" the NFL's injury list. Two ex-Patriots (Brandon Spikes, Aqib Talib) said the team regularly falsified injury reports. "The Patriots have their way of reporting stuff," Talib said."

(A citation from an actual former Patriot who corroborates this accusation. There are also quotes from Brandon Spikes he was put on IR just so the Pats could gain a roster spot heading into the playoffs despite wanting to and being able to continue to play...again against league rules...aka cheating.)

4) Illegal Taping of Bengals practices

Patriots fined $1.1M, lose draft pick in videotaping punishment, per report

It only took seven months. The NFL finally punished the New England Patriots on Sunday night for an incident that happened back in December when a team staffer illegally videotaped the Cincinnati Bengals' sideline during a Week 14 game.

www.nbcsports.com

This is the most recent example of cheating and proof that the Pats have been serial cheaters under Belichick.

Patriot staffers were caught illegally taping a Bengals practice. They were fined $1.1m and docked a 3rd round pick as punishment. The team even admitted to it. (Are you able to admit this to yourself?)


So there you have 4 corroborated instances of cheating ("citations", if you will), 3 of which resulted in discipline from the league. And this is only what they were caught doing...any logical person would conclude there are likely many instances where they did things against the rules and were never caught. Especially considering all the former players who have had suspicions of other instances of cheating but just couldn't prove it. And even when they were caught cheating with Spygate, they were caught doing the same thing they were already punished for with the Bengals taping...all under Belichick and Brady.

I am very much looking forward to your alternate reality response to the undeniable proof your team and beloved coach/QB tandem are serial cheaters. But most likely we will hear crickets...

but he is googlin "patriots best team in nfl". How could he find anything? ...

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Tom Brady either cheated himself or was aware that he was being given playcalls informed by cheating. Pats fans act like it's a conspiracy when they were actually caught and punished for it. The Pats accepted the punishment quickly because they knew it was a slap on the wrist.

The Pats were known for wining games by very slim margins. In other words it was the cheating that put them over the edge. It was known throughout the league too. Goodell destroyed teh tapes and also destroyed evidence of the Pats stealing radio signals. THAT would have been the dagger. Sure, you can convince people that just filming other teams only provides a small edge, but stealing the actual playcalls? That would have resulted in fans demanding they be stripped of their ill-gotten titles.

The Eagles ran a fake walkthrough prior to the Super Bowl. Then they were able to beat the supposed great Pats with Nick Foles at QB.

The ultimate proof that Pats fans know it's true is how hard they fight back against any reference to their proven cheating. Deep down they know the wins are tainted.

That's why Steeler fans laugh off allegations of steroid use in the 70s because it's a nonsense charge that had nothing to do with winning. The Steelers roster was loaded with Hall of Fame players on offense and defense. The Steelers were simply more talented than nearly every team they played. That's why steeler fans don't get worked up about any steroid cheating allegations. We are confident that the team was legit unlike Pats fans

Contrast that with the Pats teams that had Brady and a bunch of mediocre talents. Somehow we are to believe that this team that was probably middle of the pack each year in terms of talent was unbeatable.

 

[warriors42]

Yep. Much like every other citation provided that was supposed to represent a smoking gun, I read your article and nowhere did I see anything about "Goodell being scum who buried things". He provided a reason why he destroyed the tapes. You don't like the reason given because it isn't in-line with the conspiracy that you are peddling which would support your notion that they had to cheat to beat the Steelers.

why did he have to destroy the tapes insted of archiving them in case something came up further down the road, that is exactly what we do at the police dept, or the courthouse with evidence wether good or bad against the accused. If there was truly nothing on the tapes why didn't he let them come out to the public for viewing or simply give them back to the pats?

BTW whats the weather like in your world right now?

 

[Slovan Sam]

Tom Brady either cheated himself or was aware that he was being given playcalls informed by cheating. Pats fans act like it's a conspiracy when they were actually caught and punished for it. The Pats accepted the punishment quickly because they knew it was a slap on the wrist.

Can you post a citation which corroborates your accusation that Tom cheated or was aware of cheating?

Were they caught cheating? I can recall during "Spy Gate" Bill conceded that he misunderstood a rule about what could be filmed and how it could be used. More than likely, the Pats accepted that punishment because they wanted to focus on winning more games and not rehashing a misunderstanding.

 

[Slovan Sam]

The Pats were known for wining games by very slim margins. In other words it was the cheating that put them over the edge.

I recall them beating the Steelers by 30 points to open the 2019 season. Are these the slim margins that you are referencing?

 

[Slovan Sam]

The Eagles ran a fake walkthrough prior to the Super Bowl. Then they were able to beat the supposed great Pats with Nick Foles at QB.

Yep. In a game that came down to the wire and was decided in the final seconds. You would have thought that a team who only wins by cheating would have had this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter.

 

[ianv2012]

Can you post a citation which corroborates your accusation that Tom cheated or was aware of cheating?

Were they caught cheating? I can recall during "Spy Gate" Bill conceded that he misunderstood a rule about what could be filmed and how it could be used. More than likely, the Pats accepted that punishment because they wanted to focus on winning more games and not rehashing a misunderstanding.

Why is this troll still talking? There is a mountain of links and evidence that has been provided, the organization and Brady were punished previously. Who are you still arguing with? Your own conscious? You no longer exist anymore on this forum to me, you might keep posting your "bot like" repeated questions "Do you have a citation?" "I need some evidence", but I'll be ignoring you like any spam or adverts. There is no point wasting time talking to a wall that can't even comprehend the brick and mortar that makes up it's own existence let alone have a meaningful discussion

 

[Slovan Sam]

Why is this troll still talking? There is a mountain of links and evidence that has been provided, the organization and Brady were punished previously. Who are you still arguing with? Your own conscious? You no longer exist anymore on this forum to me, you might keep posting your "bot like" repeated questions "Do you have a citation?" "I need some evidence", but I'll be ignoring you like any spam or adverts. There is no point wasting time talking to a wall that can't even comprehend the brick and mortar that makes up it's own existence let alone have a meaningful discussion

Why am I still talking? Wow. You'd think if the truth were on one's side being this unpleasant wouldn't be necessary. I find it especially ironic coming from someone with "Jesus Is Lord" as their signature.

Please post these supposed links that you are referencing that I haven't already proven to be futile attempts at spreading misinformation and libel.

 

[ianv2012]

Why am I still talking? Wow. You'd think if the truth were on one's side being this unpleasant wouldn't be necessary. I find it especially ironic coming from someone with "Jesus Is Lord" as their signature.

Please post these supposed links that you are referencing that I haven't already proven to be futile attempts at spreading misinformation and libel.

I rest my case

 

[Slovan Sam]

Brady still managed to win without the pats. How to explain his success with the bucs?

What's that sound? Oh yeah .. *crickets*.

 

[Lunar]

I've never seen a "Steelers" fan expend so much energy defending Brady and the pats.

 

[slashsteel]

Brady still managed to win without the pats. How to explain his success with the bucs?

A good head coach to great HC capable of getting things done without cheating . Adding a good solid QB, a good RB to a good WR corps, a good Oline and a good defense. That success came with ups and downs like most good coaches experience. There is plenty of ways to get from point A to B. The cheatriots chose the most dishonest way and ran with it. You ever play chess? If you know your opponents moves before he makes them you will have even more success than if you were playing straight up. That is why it is called cheating take an unfair advantage. It doesn't mean that lady was incapable of winning he obviously was. It just says he won a lot more than he should have with that edge Ernie and Wild Bill Cheatcock brought to the table. I won't be one of those fans that say lady was incapable. But knowing they had to hide evidence it was that bad. I can guarantee you he wouldn't have had 6 rings. In fact most sports would have kicked bill-acheat to the curb. So really hard to gage how many legit SBs won. We know there is atleast one. Maybe a few more could have been obtained maybe not.

 

[jiminoh]

I've never seen a "Steelers" fan expend so much energy defending Brady and the pats.

Me either....Brady has a good arm. I can't deny that. He's probably gonna retire in a few days and knows deep down himself that the extensive cheating helped his team win more than they should've. Then he moved on to a really good HC. I'm gonna miss Ben next year. End of story.

 

[Slovan Sam]

Me either....Brady has a good arm. I can't deny that. He's probably gonna retire in a few days and knows deep down himself that the extensive cheating helped his team win more than they should've.

jiminoh - do you feel qualified to report what Brady knows to be true deep down? Does such an accusation even seem slightly responsible to you?

 

[nitsuj1225]

I must have missed these 4 "corroborated" instances as demonstrated by how I proved your corroboration to actually be personal bias.

And no, any "logical" person wouldn't conclude there are "many instances where they did things against the rules". Individuals with poor coping skills who are upset by the Pats dominating their team for 2 decades may reach such a conclusion, but certainly not a well-balanced individual who can concede that a better team dominated us for this period of time.

I know you're just trolling at this point and not worth wasting more time on so this will be my final retort. I have an actual life to enjoy rather than responding to someone who gets their jollies off by riling up people on message boards.

The NFL itself did the investigations...I'm sorry I don't have inside info on the non-public evidence that was reviewed in each situation, do you? If so, please enlighten us with this new information that absolves the Patriots of wrongdoing by providing evidence and citations.

With that said, there is actual public video evidence of the Bengals taping scandal along with an admission of guilt by the Patriots organization. Are you saying the Patriots themselves are lying and the videos were fabricated?

Here is the video since I know how much you value citations and proof.
(hint: this kind of taping is against league rules...which is another way of saying cheating).

3 separate times the NFL reviewed cases of cheating and 3 times they punished the Patriots as well as Brady and Belichick specifically.

If a criminal is found guilty, do you automatically assume they are still innocent because you personally didn't get to see all the evidence presented in the case? FFS man, I provided facts and you quoted the few instances I threw in my own logical opinion without actually refuting any facts I presented.

If you're going to cherry pick quotes from my post to respond to, at least pick this one: How do you explain 3 separate punishments for cheating, all involving either Brady and/or Belichick specifically, and say that neither has any involvement in any cheating? Unless you believe there is some league wide conspiracy against the Patriots that the league wrongfully punished them 3 separate times. If that's the case, please provide citations of this supposed anti-Patriots conspiracy.

 

[Slovan Sam]

I know you're just trolling at this point and not worth wasting more time on so this will be my final retort. I have an actual life to enjoy rather than responding to someone who gets their jollies off by riling up people on message boards.

I'm not a troll and I also enjoy myself outside of this forum too. I guess I'm trying to understand how posting factual information that doesn't include personal bias, name-calling, and the willingness to promote libel on a public forum equates to me wanting to troll and rile others up? That train of thought just seems off to me ..

 

[Slovan Sam]

The NFL itself did the investigations...I'm sorry I don't have inside info on the non-public evidence that was reviewed in each situation, do you? If so, please enlighten us with this new information that absolves the Patriots of wrongdoing by providing evidence and citations.

I've never brought up "non-public evidence" that was supposedly reviewed in each situation. If you are attempting to use this supposed "non-public evidence" to further corroborate your accusations of guilt, the burden of proof would be on you to provide said "evidence".

 

[slashsteel]

I think it's time to ignore the troll, he has to live with his tainted trophies, we live with 6 rings to be fully proud of

Yeah I got tired of playing with her. But true 6 rings and no cheating. Only team to ever do it!

 

[MTC]

A good head coach to great HC capable of getting things done without cheating . Adding a good solid QB, a good RB to a good WR corps, a good Oline and a good defense. That success came with ups and downs like most good coaches experience. There is plenty of ways to get from point A to B. The cheatriots chose the most dishonest way and ran with it. You ever play chess? If you know your opponents moves before he makes them you will have even more success than if you were playing straight up. That is why it is called cheating take an unfair advantage. It doesn't mean that lady was incapable of winning he obviously was. It just says he won a lot more than he should have with that edge Ernie and Wild Bill Cheatcock brought to the table. I won't be one of those fans that say lady was incapable. But knowing they had to hide evidence it was that bad. I can guarantee you he wouldn't have had 6 rings. In fact most sports would have kicked bill-acheat to the curb. So really hard to gage how many legit SBs won. We know there is atleast one. Maybe a few more could have been obtained maybe not.

He still had to execute physically though. A lot can happen in a physical aspect. The receiver can fumble, Brady can throw too soft or too hard to where the ball deflects off his target into the playmakers hands. Too many intangibles on the field.


Yes, from a strategic standpoint we can say he knew the answers to the test, but from an execution, physical standpoint you still have to rely on the players to execute. You still have to trust your mail carrier to deliver point A to point B.

 

[bkwheat28]

Anyone think we can make this thread page count top the infamous little fast running back one? Rainey wasn’t it?

 

[MTC]

I think it's time to ignore the troll, he has to live with his tainted trophies, we live with 6 rings to be fully proud of

That’s going to depend on perception. Steelers fans will argue the wins are tainted. Patriots fans just see the wins.


The wins are officially in the book. So therefore by rule. It is what it is.

 

[Slovan Sam]

With that said, there is actual public video evidence of the Bengals taping scandal along with an admission of guilt by the Patriots organization. Are you saying the Patriots themselves are lying and the videos were fabricated?

Here is the video since I know how much you value citations and proof.
(hint: this kind of taping is against league rules...which is another way of saying cheating).

As stated at least twice in this thread, I'm aware of Belichick acknowledging that he misunderstood what could be filmed and how it could be used. Where you're losing me is how this misunderstanding is proof of conspiracy to cheat. Can you provide further assertions that are supported by verifiable citations which would account for this belief? Thanks

 

[MTC]

Anyone think we can make this thread page count top the infamous little fast running back one? Rainey wasn’t it?

This one will not reach Archer levels. If it does, that shows Brady has touched a nerve with our fan base