Brady retiring

[Slovan Sam]

3 separate times the NFL reviewed cases of cheating and 3 times they punished the Patriots as well as Brady and Belichick specifically.

The NFL reviewing cases and issuing sanctions is NOT proof of guilt.

 

[slashsteel]

He still had to execute physically though. A lot can happen in a physical aspect. The receiver can fumble, Brady can throw too soft or too hard to where the ball deflects off his target into the playmakers hands. Too many intangibles on the field.


Yes, from a strategic standpoint we can say he knew the answers to the test, but from an execution, physical standpoint you still have to rely on the players to execute. You still have to trust your mail carrier to deliver point A to point B.

That guy shuffled people in and out of the lineup like no other. Yep he had to execute his cheating plan and was great at it. A poor cheater, a good cheater, a great cheater it still stinks no matter how you slice it.

 

[MTC]

As stated at least twice in this thread, I'm aware of Belichick acknowledging that he misunderstood what could be filmed and how it could be used. Where you're losing me is how this misunderstanding is proof of conspiracy to cheat. Can you provide further assertions that are supported by verifiable citations which would account for this belief? Thanks

And I’m going to have to side with you here lol.
The responses now are just fan perception.


I don’t like the fact Brady has a lot of wins over the Steelers. The way I see it is if it was such an issue. Blame the 31 teams for not taking action at the moment. If it was so bad that they were afraid of losing money, well then just accept it for what it is. The owners/coaches knew of the cheating stuff moving forward. Strategize against the patriots accordingly moving forward.

 

[bkwheat28]

This one will not reach Archer levels. If it does, that shows Brady has touched a nerve with our fan base

Archer! That’s right. I don’t know, Brady/nerves/Steelers is about as controversial as it gets!

 

[MTC]

That guy shuffled people in and out of the lineup like no other. Yep he had to execute his cheating plan and was great at it. A poor cheater, a good cheater, a great cheater it still stinks no matter how you slice it.

The thing is Slash the other teams knew. Going forward they had ample opportunity to plan against the patriots moving forward. If they let their guard down in future meetings with the pats, they only have themselves to blame at that point.

 

[MTC]

Archer! That’s right. I don’t know, Brady/nerves/Steelers is about as controversial as it gets!

It’s like pb&j at this point

 

[slashsteel]

Someone tells you something once after that there is no misunderstanding. You don't get punished more than once for misunderstandings.

 

[Slovan Sam]

If a criminal is found guilty, do you automatically assume they are still innocent because you personally didn't get to see all the evidence presented in the case? FFS man, I provided facts and you quoted the few instances I threw in my own logical opinion without actually refuting any facts I presented.

Criminals are found guilty based on proof that is beyond a reasonable doubt. The NFL doesn't adhere to the same standard, so I'm confused by your correlation. Was this a misunderstanding on your part, or was your intent to deceive others?

 

[slashsteel]

The thing is Slash the other teams knew. Going forward they had ample opportunity to plan against the patriots moving forward. If they let their guard down in future meetings with the pats, they only have themselves to blame at that point.

Teams did change their approach. And the league eventually went out of their way to block it. Despite not doing the best thing. Cutting the head of the snake off instead of diverting its pathway.

 

[MTC]

Someone tells you something once after that there is no misunderstanding. You don't get punished more than once for misunderstandings.

Yet the other teams let it happen with a slap on the wrist. So who’s the misunderstood?


This is the 31 other teams fault for laying over and letting it happen. A sternly heated talk sure showed them.

Look where it is now. It’s in the official books/stats. Cannot erase it. In our minds they are cheaters. But realistically it’s in the books as them winning.

We cannot click our heels and wish it away. Labeling them cheaters makes us feel better. That’s it.

 

[slashsteel]

I think having tapes was evidence. Witnesses coming forward was evidence.

Plenty of evidence available for people that can see clearly.

 

[MTC]

Teams did change their approach. And the league eventually went out of their way to block it. Despite not doing the best thing. Cutting the head of the snake off instead of diverting its pathway.

And in conclusion it is what it is. Nothing more nothing less. It’s recorded in the stat books as a win.

Any argument from us is just to make us feel good. Nothing will change the stat books to make us feel good unless some disgruntled player/coach decides to spill the beans and make the nfl crash

 

[MTC]

I think having tapes was evidence. Witnesses coming forward was evidence.

Plenty of evidence available for people that can see clearly.

Well yeah evidence is there. But it didn’t change anything going forward.

 

[jiminoh]

jiminoh - do you feel qualified to report what Brady knows to be true deep down? Does such an accusation even seem slightly responsible to you?

You're right. They're the best team ever, and Brady, a top-notch quarterback, couldn't feel the football's lowered air pressure, and it was wrong of me to suggest they might have cheated a few times.

 

[Slovan Sam]

And I’m going to have to side with you here lol.
The responses now are just fan perception.


I don’t like the fact Brady has a lot of wins over the Steelers. The way I see it is if it was such an issue. Blame the 31 teams for not taking action at the moment. If it was so bad that they were afraid of losing money, well then just accept it for what it is. The owners/coaches knew of the cheating stuff moving forward. Strategize against the patriots accordingly moving forward.

Thanks. Your posts in this thread have been a much needed breath of fresh air. They were nice to see on occasion, especially being as though such a fact-based perspective was sandwiched in between mostly bitterness and lies from others.

Believe me, I don't like that Brady and the Pats owned my favorite team for the better part of 2 decades, but I'm also not going to resort to fantasy and lies in an attempt to convince myself and others that conspiracies lead to these losses occurring.

It's not hard to understand. Brady was better than Ben, and Tomlin isn't even in the same league as Belichick. And that's pretty much case closed.

 

[slashsteel]

Yet the other teams let it happen with a slap on the wrist. So who’s the misunderstood?


This is the 31 other teams fault for laying over and letting it happen. A sternly heated talk sure showed them.

Look where it is now. It’s in the official books/stats. Cannot erase it. In our minds they are cheaters. But realistically it’s in the books as them winning.

We cannot click our heels and wish it away. Labeling them cheaters makes us feel better. That’s it.

They were punished multiple times. We know what the record books say that doesn't erase facts. We don't have to click our heels and wish anything away. We can just be glad when they aren't in the league anymore. That is enough or has to be. You keep wanting to blame owners that only cares ultimately about money. There is many more things to blame. But in the grand scheme it is what it is. Doesn't mean we have to be sheep when the subject comes up. Why should we let it be buried? No other sports do that. Should we sugar coat their existence because of what the record books show? Someone forgot to tell baseball who would disagree. No when there is pieces of **** exist and a subject of said pieces of **** arise or a fan of said pieces of **** present themselves you let it be known some never forget. And there is no reasonable reason why they should

 

[slashsteel]

Well yeah evidence is there. But it didn’t change anything going forward.

Sure it did. It changed how they approached signals and they still hand out punishments. That is their way of dealing with it. We don't have to agree on their approach. But they do take steps to combat it. As do teams as well.

 

[BLITZ]

Criminals are found guilty based on proof that is beyond a reasonable doubt. The NFL doesn't adhere to the same standard, so I'm confused by your correlation. Was this a misunderstanding on your part, or was your intent to deceive others?

Can you explain why the Pats lost a 1st round pick and their coach was fined 500 for "spygate" dont need a citation just a simple explanation will do

 

[MTC]

Sure it did. It changed how they approached signals and they still hand out punishments. That is their way of dealing with it. We don't have to agree on their approach. But they do take steps to combat it. As do teams as well.

Ok. So by this logic, since the nfl took initiative.

Brady’s stats and wins post spygate are not tainted then

 

[slashsteel]

Ok. So by this logic, since the nfl took initiative.

Brady’s stats and wins post spygate are not tainted then

Sure they are tainted why wouldn't they be? It ok to agree to disagree in this instance. Sometimes that is an ok outcome.

 

[MTC]

They were punished multiple times. We know what the record books say that doesn't erase facts. We don't have to click our heels and wish anything away. We can just be glad when they aren't in the league anymore. That is enough or has to be. You keep wanting to blame owners that only cares ultimately about money. There is many more things to blame. But in the grand scheme it is what it is. Doesn't mean we have to be sheep when the subject comes up. Why should we let it be buried? No other sports do that. Should we sugar coat their existence because of what the record books show? Someone forgot to tell baseball who would disagree. No when there is pieces of **** exist and a subject of said pieces of **** arise or a fan of said pieces of **** present themselves you let it be known some never forget. And there is no reasonable reason why they should

You proved my point.
It is what it is. It happened before and it will continue to happen. The pats just got caught at the time. All it is, is entertainment.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Yep. In a game that came down to the wire and was decided in the final seconds. You would have thought that a team who only wins by cheating would have had this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter.

I’m sure they would have if the eagles didn’t take preventive measures. That was the whole point. The eagles were not that good and were able to beat the mighty pats simply be negating their cheating edge.

 

[MTC]

Sure they are tainted why wouldn't they be? It ok to agree to disagree in this instance. Sometimes that is an ok outcome.

Lol

We can agree to disagree. Never an issue here

 

[slashsteel]

You proved my point.
It is what it is. It happened before and it will continue to happen. The pats just got caught at the time. All it is, is entertainment.

No Ernie retired so any future cheating can't be achieved to that level. They will have to reinvent a new approach.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

That’s going to depend on perception. Steelers fans will argue the wins are tainted. Patriots fans just see the wins.


The wins are officially in the book. So therefore by rule. It is what it is.

Exactly. The Pats are legit champs like OJ is innocent.