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Brady retiring

I believe the issue is that when Goodell saw the sheer volume of information on those tapes, he realized that the cheats were bald-faced, hardcore cheating and that if it got out, A) it would completely undermine customer confidence in the league, and B) it would cause tremendous pressure from the gambling industry that Goodell has been trying to get into bed with for decades.

The cheats were SO bad it would have completely destroyed the league. Given the fact that the league gets alot of tax-exempt status and that all the stadiums are at least partially publicly funded, it could have caused Congress to have to get involved. (Arlen Specter, may he burn in hell, DID try to get involved.)

No, it was a VERY big deal and the league was forced to cover it up to protect ALL the teams. Fact is, after they let it go, Kraft and Bill had WAAAAY too much dirt on the league and they just continued to do ****, essentially DARING the league to do a ******* thing about it.

Ultimately the league was forced to support the narrative that the cheats were just "that much better than everyone else" because Bill was SUCH a micro-manager and perfection freak.

Hows his micro-managing going now that Ernie is gone? Why aren't the cheats dominating the east every single year? Cause, you know, Bill is a ******* genius.
I’m not denying the patriots cheating. They were caught and dealt punishment at the time.


But what is considered tainted going forth.
In terms of fair competition these owners and coaches knew about the patriots moving forward. They didn’t sniff another super bowl win until when? 2014 or something. So….
 
So what’s tainted? What deserves an asterisk?
Every cheat SB. And while I will give Brady his Tampa win, that was on one of the most loaded ******* teams in NFL history. When Antonio Brown is your worst ******* receiving option, you're ******* loaded.
 
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In a scenario involving BB, drunk college girls, and small town GA cops that are on the take?
Lol you can make some claims about the first he said she said situation, but the Georgia thing was proven bunk much like the pats were proven cheaters

Ben acted like an ******* to a sorority girl and her sisters framed him… it was all spelled out on their social media before they tried to delete it… and was the only reason that da didn’t press charges…

Nonetheless there was plenty Ben did wrong there… besides being an entitled dick there were rumors of general lewd behavior and drug use in that party…
 
I just want to make clear that I am a huge Patsies***** fan but have to acknowledge that the team cheated, cheated massively, was repeatedly caught, their supposed "championships" are a stain on the NFL, Tammy is a cheater and steroid user, and the NFL should be ashamed that Bill "Cheating Cheater" Belichik is still working and that the cheating cheaters known as the New England Boston Cheating Cheaters are credited with anything other than cheating and lying.
 
Could you reference the specific posts that you consider "ignorant *** ****"? Just because someone posts facts that don't align with your personal point of view, it doesn't make the reality ignorant.
Yes all of your attention ***** posts that focus in on either hating Tomlin or pumping up the cheatriots. Do you have a citation that proves otherwise?
 
I’m not denying the patriots cheating. They were caught and dealt punishment at the time.


But what is considered tainted going forth.
In terms of fair competition these owners and coaches knew about the patriots moving forward. They didn’t sniff another super bowl win until when? 2014 or something. So….
Are you saying that they have to win SBs to have continued cheating past when they were caught? Do you consider that bungle infraction nothing or probable continued cheating? Your overall answer is right now nobody knows the extent past a certain point. But with a recent incident they aren't looking too innocent. Regardless the wicked witch is dead. He retired. And another one is out the door. With a third one probably in the near future.
 
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I just want to make clear that I am a huge Patsies***** fan but have to acknowledge that the team cheated, cheated massively, was repeatedly caught, their supposed "championships" are a stain on the NFL, Tammy is a cheater and steroid user, and the NFL should be ashamed that Bill "Cheating Cheater" Belichik is still working and that the cheating cheaters known as the New England Boston Cheating Cheaters are credited with anything other than cheating and lying.
I like your honesty
 
In a scenario involving BB, drunk college girls, and small town GA cops that are on the take?
am I talking to you? No right? so go stand in the corner facing the wall and stay quiet. Unless of course, you want to dance Bob, then go stepping away from here
 
I can't believe this thread is 19 ******* pages long, but that's okay. It's the off-season for us, (and the Patriots) so whatever. It is mildly entertaining. If he wants another ******* reference, I'm gonna reference him to kiss my ***.
 
Are you saying that they have to win SBs to have continued cheating past when they were caught? Do you consider that bungle infraction nothing or probable continued cheating? Your overall answer is right now nobody knows the extent past a certain point. But with a recent incident they aren't looking too innocent. Regardless the wicked witch is dead. He retired. And another one is out the door. With a third one probably in the near future.
Define what is cheating past what is getting caught. The argument here is Brady’s stats/wins are tainted. Where’s the cut off point? What time frame constitutes fair competition when playing the patriots?

From my perspective we are a biased fan base. Of course we’re going to say they cheated. Our opinion however is no different than what opposing fans say of the 70’s steroids usage, Ben’s off field legal issues etc.

Officially/realistically. Brady has wins/rings/stats.

Fan bias - he cheated.

Now here’s theoretically speaking. If the owners didn’t take action because of fear of tarnishing the shield. What makes you think the cheating stops with the patriots. They just got caught. Who knows which teams who are trying to draw interest from fans, will go with the win at all cost mentality.

So does it stop at brady/belichek or do other teams follow suit but stay more “secretive”?
 
Define what is cheating past what is getting caught. The argument here is Brady’s stats/wins are tainted. Where’s the cut off point? What time frame constitutes fair competition when playing the patriots?

From my perspective we are a biased fan base. Of course we’re going to say they cheated. Our opinion however is no different than what opposing fans say of the 70’s steroids usage, Ben’s off field legal issues etc.

Officially/realistically. Brady has wins/rings/stats.

Fan bias - he cheated.

Now here’s theoretically speaking. If the owners didn’t take action because of fear of tarnishing the shield. What makes you think the cheating stops with the patriots. They just got caught. Who knows which teams who are trying to draw interest from fans, will go with the win at all cost mentality.

So does it stop at brady/belichek or do other teams follow suit but stay more “secretive”?
Barry bonds absolutely had a line of demarcation between when he took steroids and didn’t… what he accomplished when before he juiced was enough to get him in the hall… but the voters decided that the cheating tainted his entire career and never voted him in
 
Are you saying that they have to win SBs to have continued cheating past when they were caught? Do you consider that bungle infraction nothing or probable continued cheating? Your overall answer is right now nobody knows the extent past a certain point. But with a recent incident they aren't looking too innocent.

In your first allegation above, you stated that the Pats were caught cheating? When exactly were they "caught" doing what you have alleged?

Can you expand on the "recent incident" that you suggested happened above? Further, please outline your criteria for establishing that they "aren't looking too innocent". Thanks.
 
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Barry bonds absolutely had a line of demarcation between when he took steroids and didn’t… what he accomplished when before he juiced was enough to get him in the hall… but the voters decided that the cheating tainted his entire career and never voted him in
Who are the powers that be that vote for Brady’s “accomplishments”?
 
Who are the powers that be that vote for Brady’s “accomplishments”?
If it’s fan votes. SN knows what to do.

If it’s peers/nfl alum. Well….lol
 
Define what is cheating past what is getting caught. The argument here is Brady’s stats/wins are tainted. Where’s the cut off point? What time frame constitutes fair competition when playing the patriots?

From my perspective we are a biased fan base. Of course we’re going to say they cheated. Our opinion however is no different than what opposing fans say of the 70’s steroids usage, Ben’s off field legal issues etc.

Officially/realistically. Brady has wins/rings/stats.

Fan bias - he cheated.

Now here’s theoretically speaking. If the owners didn’t take action because of fear of tarnishing the shield. What makes you think the cheating stops with the patriots. They just got caught. Who knows which teams who are trying to draw interest from fans, will go with the win at all cost mentality.

So does it stop at brady/belichek or do other teams follow suit but stay more “secretive”?
Several others tried to recreate the pats system and were caught… the issue is that no-one has an ernie adams… his abilities are projected to manifest in less than 100 people on the planet… …and the chances of finding someone like that with his football knowledge is basically impossible.

Even if you steal signals you have to disect the call and come up with the counter to it and signal your guys before the snap… broken down what they we’re doing was incredibly unique… its why denver and the jet’s failed miserably at it
 
Define what is cheating past what is getting caught. The argument here is Brady’s stats/wins are tainted. Where’s the cut off point? What time frame constitutes fair competition when playing the patriots?

From my perspective we are a biased fan base. Of course we’re going to say they cheated. Our opinion however is no different than what opposing fans say of the 70’s steroids usage, Ben’s off field legal issues etc.

Officially/realistically. Brady has wins/rings/stats.

Fan bias - he cheated.

Now here’s theoretically speaking. If the owners didn’t take action because of fear of tarnishing the shield. What makes you think the cheating stops with the patriots. They just got caught. Who knows which teams who are trying to draw interest from fans, will go with the win at all cost mentality.

So does it stop at brady/belichek or do other teams follow suit but stay more “secretive”?
We don't dispute any other victories. So not sure how fans can be biased. We know how indepth their cheating was they were caught and punished. It has been well documented how indepth it was. No other sport franchise in the history of sports has their extensive past that is on record. I am not concerned with anyone who hasn't been caught. It doesn't minimize what they did in any form or fashion. I don't deal in theories that isn't a realistic approach. I deal with knowns.. Not asking for anything from the league at this point. It is what it is. But not going to minimize the impact. Cheating extensively always will have an impact. It doesn't matter which point they stopped if they did. As the minute it was handled improperly that gets thrown out the window. Cheaters don't get the but but luxury. If you don't want the label don't cheat it is simple. They were warned and they continued. No empathy from me. No empathy from many of fans not just Steeler fans. They cheated against us so naturally most Steeler fans won't like it. It is what it is but the level they took it wasn't some little infraction. So they won't get the oh but from me. The moment they were stamped and convicted the moment I knew bill-acheat and kraft didn't belong in the league past that point to even have this discussion. Piece of **** coach deserved to be banned. I have not one percent of a doubt that should have taken place. Then you would have seen what Brady did past that what was legit. You can't throw it out because they allowed it to continue. Don't blame owners or fans or Joe Blow blame Goodell for being the collosal asshat that he is.
 
Several others tried to recreate the pats system and were caught… the issue is that no-one has an ernie adams… his abilities are projected to manifest in less than 100 people on the planet… …and the chances of finding someone like that with his football knowledge is basically impossible.

Even if you steal signals you have to disect the call and come up with the counter to it and signal your guys before the snap… broken down what they we’re doing was incredibly unique… its why denver and the jet’s failed miserably at it
I’m just waiting for the day a disgruntled player makes it all crumble. I have nothing left to say on this subject.
 
In your first allegation above, you stated that the Pats were caught cheating? When exactly were they "caught" doing what you have alleged?

Can you expand on the "recent incident" that you suggested happened above? Further, please outline your criteria for establishing that they "aren't looking too incident". Thanks.
Do you have a citation that proves you are a Steeler fan and not an undercover cheatriot ball licker? When you provide evidence of that I will answer your question.
 
I’m just waiting for the day a disgruntled player makes it all crumble. I have nothing left to say on this subject.
There have been a couple but only a few players were privy to anything… the illegally miked defensive players and the qb wearing the rigged headset… a long time ago a cut ps player made some claims about tge defensive players being miked and it was universally ignored and not even followed up on after spygate

It will be a coach that cracks most likely…or one of the lackeys…..
 
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I’m just waiting for the day a disgruntled player makes it all crumble. I have nothing left to say on this subject.
It might not be the clarification you desire. It very well could be more shame on the cheats and Goodell. If in Vegas I know what I would bet on.
 
We don't dispute any other victories. So not sure how fans can be biased. We know how indepth their cheating was they were caught and punished. It has been well documented how indepth it was. No other sport franchise in the history of sports has their extensive past that is on record. I am not concerned with anyone who hasn't been caught. It doesn't minimize what they did in any form or fashion. I don't deal in theories that isn't a realistic approach. I deal with knowns.. Not asking for anything from the league at this point. It is what it is. But not going to minimize the impact. Cheating extensively always will have an impact. It doesn't matter which point they stopped if they did. As the minute it was handled improperly that gets thrown out the window. Cheaters don't get the but but luxury. If you don't want the label don't cheat it is simple. They were warned and they continued. No empathy from me. No empathy from many of fans not just Steeler fans. They cheated against us so naturally most Steeler fans won't like it. It is what it is but the level they took it wasn't some little infraction. So they won't get the oh but from me. The moment they were stamped and convicted the moment I knew they didn't belong in the league past that point to even have this discussion. Piece of **** coach deserved to be banned. I have not one percent of a doubt that should have taken place. Then you would have seen what Brady did that was legit. You can't throw it out because they allowed it to continue. Don't blame owners or fans or Joe Blow blame Goodell for being the collosal asshat that he is.
Goodell, the owners. It all falls on them.

It does matter when the punishments happen. From an argument perspective the punishments should give ease of mind of fair competition moving forth.


Honestly I have no emotion in this. Like I always say, pro sports are entertainment to me. A win or loss isn’t affecting my personal life.

I’d just like to know what exactly irks some over something of which they have no control over.
 
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