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Canada Will Return in 2023

to quote the poet: “he who isn’t busy being born is buzy dying” the Steelers are dying maybe were dead the playoff game against the chiefs was almost as horrible as the lose to the browns. That ain’t Steeler football and they haven’t lifted a finger to fix it. The only finger they have lifted is a big middle finger to the fans. The Rooney’s even watch the games anymore? they just come into town cash the checks then head back to Florida? Watching the 9ers and the eagles, chiefs, even bengals we are a long way from getting to that level. We’re going to be joining Franco before tomlin ever hoists a Lombardi with Canada on this staff that I guarantee. sad to see what’s become of the Steelers.
 
diver said:
Now wait. The players share no responsibility when the team fails? It is all the coach, even though the coach never plays?
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No, it isn't. Never said it was.
diver said:
And yes, upon reflection, I think I have been proven right on that one. He may have taken that team as far as it was gonna go with those two guys. Neither of them are the picture of stability as we have found out.
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I believe AB's team went a little bit further when he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.
diver said:
I always love when people like you use terms like "appease the masses," like I am being fooled somehow. No, I just recognize that there is not a damn thing I can do about who they choose to coach the team. Why incessantly beat the dead horse on it? Or are you one of those who really believes if they biitch enough, or don't watch a game here and there, or don't go, or don't buy a jersey...that'll show Rooney, he'll fire him now! Hahaha.
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It's great that you're not being fooled. I always love it when people like you blame everything on the players (because coaches don't play), but every once in a while you throw out the old "but but but I said Tomlin should be fired once or twice, remember?" card out to cover your *** both ways. It's amusing.

I watch every game. That's why I'm confident that Tomlin is overrated by most people.

The only Steelers jersey I've acquired in the past fifteen years is a white Ben #7 which I won in a charity raffle for 20 bucks. Does that count?
diver said:
The way I see it, we have a choice as fans. We can either be all doom and gloom, or even when we don't agree with something, since we have no control, try to find something positive and have a little hope. For crying out loud, it's more fun that way. It's supposed to be fun, right?
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That's another one of your go-to lines -- we have no control over what the Steelers do. No shlt.

What is also true is we have a discussion forum here where fans can share their opinions about the Steelers, whether they're good or bad. It's also a place for many of us to vent our frustrations about our favorite team, which I've found to be strangely cathartic.

Nonetheless, you'll still find plenty of fun, positive, and hopeful offerings among my posts. Even some about Tomlin, when he manages to get something right.
 
diver said:
Completely agree. Which is why the "Tomlin won with Cowher players" is such a bunch of nonsense.
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It's not a bunch of nonsense. So you agree that coaches should get the credit when they win playoff games. I do too. Most of the time. But there are exceptions. Like Barry Switzer and George Seifert. And yes, our fearless leader Mike Tomlin.

In 2008, the Steelers were 12-4 in the regular season, with the #1 defense in the league, by far, allowing just 237 yards a game. They had two outstanding coordinators with plenty of experience in Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau, and a future Hall of Fame quarterback coming into his prime. They avoided the feared Patriots in the playoffs. They beat an 8-8 Chargers team in the divisional round, and the 11-5 Ravens to reach the Super Bowl, where they barely got past the 9-7 Arizona Cardinals, one of if not THE worst participants ever in the big game. So MT won his one championship having one of if not THE easiest postseason routes in modern NFL history.

Let me tell you something: There is no doubt in my mind, none whatsoever, that if there were such a thing as a six-week crash course called NFL Head Coaching 101, there are a number of intelligent and knowledgeable posters on this and former discussion boards (yes, I'll include myself, and guys like TMC and Vader come to mind) who could have led the Steelers to three playoff wins including that Super Bowl victory in 2008. And no, I'm not kidding.
 
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topseed said:
It's not a bunch of nonsense. So you agree that coaches should get the credit when they win playoff games. I do too. Most of the time. But there are exceptions. Like Barry Switzer and George Seifert. And yes, our fearless leader Mike Tomlin.

In 2008, the Steelers were 12-4 in the regular season, with the #1 defense in the league, by far, allowing just 237 yards a game. They had two outstanding coordinators with plenty of experience in Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau, and a future Hall of Fame quarterback coming into his prime. They avoided the feared Patriots in the playoffs. They beat an 8-8 Chargers team in the divisional round, and the 11-5 Ravens to reach the Super Bowl, where they barely got past the 9-7 Arizona Cardinals, one of if not THE worst participants ever in the big game. So MT won his one championship having one of if not THE easiest postseason routes in modern NFL history.

Let me tell you something: There is no doubt in my mind, none whatsoever, that if there were such a thing as a six-week crash course called NFL Head Coaching 101, there are a number of intelligent and knowledgeable posters on this and former discussion boards (yes, I'll include myself, and guys like TMC and Vader come to mind) who could have led the Steelers to three playoff wins including that Super Bowl victory in 2008. And no, I'm not kidding.
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I've noted in the past that while the Steelers were busy getting to three Super Bowls in six years, at no time did they have to face the Pats******* in the playoffs.
The Cheating Bastiges either 1) got taken out by the Broncos or 2) lost a fluke playoff tiebreaker.
Our problem was that even at Peak LeBeau, what the Pats******* offense did best is what our defense defended worst.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Our problem was that even at Peak LeBeau, what the Pats******* offense did best is what our defense defended worst.
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Yeah , cheat… the pats offense morphed over time, but the DLB defense was predicated on disguised pressure… and somehow the pat’s always knew when and where it was coming from … they always managed to be in max protection for an actual blitz and when we were dropping everyone into coverage they were flooding the zone…
 
topseed said:
No, it isn't. Never said it was.

I believe AB's team went a little bit further when he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

It's great that you're not being fooled. I always love it when people like you blame everything on the players (because coaches don't play), but every once in a while you throw out the old "but but but I said Tomlin should be fired once or twice, remember?" card out to cover your *** both ways. It's amusing.

I watch every game. That's why I'm confident that Tomlin is overrated by most people.

The only Steelers jersey I've acquired in the past fifteen years is a white Ben #7 which I won in a charity raffle for 20 bucks. Does that count?

That's another one of your go-to lines -- we have no control over what the Steelers do. No shlt.

What is also true is we have a discussion forum here where fans can share their opinions about the Steelers, whether they're good or bad. It's also a place for many of us to vent our frustrations about our favorite team, which I've found to be strangely cathartic.

Nonetheless, you'll still find plenty of fun, positive, and hopeful offerings among my posts. Even some about Tomlin, when he manages to get something right.
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I can too, right? Or is it only the opinions you agree with.
 
topseed said:
It's not a bunch of nonsense. So you agree that coaches should get the credit when they win playoff games. I do too. Most of the time. But there are exceptions. Like Barry Switzer and George Seifert. And yes, our fearless leader Mike Tomlin.

In 2008, the Steelers were 12-4 in the regular season, with the #1 defense in the league, by far, allowing just 237 yards a game. They had two outstanding coordinators with plenty of experience in Bruce Arians and Dick LeBeau, and a future Hall of Fame quarterback coming into his prime. They avoided the feared Patriots in the playoffs. They beat an 8-8 Chargers team in the divisional round, and the 11-5 Ravens to reach the Super Bowl, where they barely got past the 9-7 Arizona Cardinals, one of if not THE worst participants ever in the big game. So MT won his one championship having one of if not THE easiest postseason routes in modern NFL history.

Let me tell you something: There is no doubt in my mind, none whatsoever, that if there were such a thing as a six-week crash course called NFL Head Coaching 101, there are a number of intelligent and knowledgeable posters on this and former discussion boards (yes, I'll include myself, and guys like TMC and Vader come to mind) who could have led the Steelers to three playoff wins including that Super Bowl victory in 2008. And no, I'm not kidding.
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Well, you would be wrong. You are not taking into account all of the stuff we never hear about that an NFL coach to deal with. There are only 32 of them you know...and not all of them are successful. Which means the ones that are successful are special. I am impressed with your arrogance.

All 3 of those coaches were coaching their teams when they won. They get the credit. No exceptions. It is an immature argument.
 
topseed said:
No, it isn't. Never said it was.

I believe AB's team went a little bit further when he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

It's great that you're not being fooled. I always love it when people like you blame everything on the players (because coaches don't play), but every once in a while you throw out the old "but but but I said Tomlin should be fired once or twice, remember?" card out to cover your *** both ways. It's amusing.

I watch every game. That's why I'm confident that Tomlin is overrated by most people.

The only Steelers jersey I've acquired in the past fifteen years is a white Ben #7 which I won in a charity raffle for 20 bucks. Does that count?

That's another one of your go-to lines -- we have no control over what the Steelers do. No shlt.

What is also true is we have a discussion forum here where fans can share their opinions about the Steelers, whether they're good or bad. It's also a place for many of us to vent our frustrations about our favorite team, which I've found to be strangely cathartic.

Nonetheless, you'll still find plenty of fun, positive, and hopeful offerings among my posts. Even some about Tomlin, when he manages to get something right.
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No...it's just that I realize that it is more than one thing.
 
madinsomniac said:
Yeah , cheat… the pats offense morphed over time, but the DLB defense was predicated on disguised pressure… and somehow the pat’s always knew when and where it was coming from … they always managed to be in max protection for an actual blitz and when we were dropping everyone into coverage they were flooding the zone…
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True, but it wasn’t even that complicated. DLB’s zone blitz simply didn’t work well against short and medium passes, which were the Cheats’ bread and butter. Br*dy was getting rid of the ball fast anyway so a blitz was minimally effective and the rest of the D playing zone with a 10 yard cushion, Br*dy chewed that **** up all day with 7 yard passes and YAC. Other teams saw that it worked and used it against us too as long as they had a pretty accurate QB. It was helpful to steal our signals and radio to Br*dy what was coming but the simple fact was that Belicheat and Br*dy’s offense was LeBeau’s kryptonite.
 
topseed said:
No, it isn't. Never said it was.

I believe AB's team went a little bit further when he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

It's great that you're not being fooled. I always love it when people like you blame everything on the players (because coaches don't play), but every once in a while you throw out the old "but but but I said Tomlin should be fired once or twice, remember?" card out to cover your *** both ways. It's amusing.

I watch every game. That's why I'm confident that Tomlin is overrated by most people.

The only Steelers jersey I've acquired in the past fifteen years is a white Ben #7 which I won in a charity raffle for 20 bucks. Does that count?

That's another one of your go-to lines -- we have no control over what the Steelers do. No shlt.

What is also true is we have a discussion forum here where fans can share their opinions about the Steelers, whether they're good or bad. It's also a place for many of us to vent our frustrations about our favorite team, which I've found to be strangely cathartic.

Nonetheless, you'll still find plenty of fun, positive, and hopeful offerings among my posts. Even some about Tomlin, when he manages to get something right.
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To compare ABs influence on that team that year with his influence in Pittsburgh is ridiculous. You seem to ignore the following year when they were much more dependent on him, hence his influence was greater, what happened.

I laugh at the cover my *** comment. We are talking about football here, the Steelers specifically, which has next to no influence on my life unless they raise my blood pressure when watching them. I have no need to "cover my ***." It doesn't make sense.

It is a go to line. It's a go to line because it is true. Do you realize what context I use it in? It is when people like you say things like "appease the masses" or my favorite is "sheep." Perhaps those statements might have merit...if we had any control. We don't, so they don't. Which again makes the statement true and completely relevant.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
True, but it wasn’t even that complicated. DLB’s zone blitz simply didn’t work well against short and medium passes, which were the Cheats’ bread and butter. Br*dy was getting rid of the ball fast anyway so a blitz was minimally effective and the rest of the D playing zone with a 10 yard cushion, Br*dy chewed that **** up all day with 7 yard passes and YAC. Other teams saw that it worked and used it against us too as long as they had a pretty accurate QB. It was helpful to steal our signals and radio to Br*dy what was coming but the simple fact was that Belicheat and Br*dy’s offense was LeBeau’s kryptonite.
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Not entirely right… DLB’s zone blitz ENCOURAGED short passes with the expectation that an offense that was unable to run and was making a dozen passes against disguised and fluctuating coverages would eventually **** up. There are a plethora of comments about this supporting that as the actual scheme. It was actually constructed to combat the west coast offense by forcing the qb to make fast decisions against randomized zones…

Brady simply never made the drive killing mistakes against it… so either he was just better at guessing the coverage or tge ******* knew ahead of time when the defense was generally going to be doing… nobody guesses right all the damn time
 
madinsomniac said:
Not entirely right… DLB’s zone blitz ENCOURAGED short passes with the expectation that an offense that was unable to run and was making a dozen passes against disguised and fluctuating coverages would eventually **** up. There are a plethora of comments about this supporting that as the actual scheme. It was actually constructed to combat the west coast offense by forcing the qb to make fast decisions against randomized zones…

Brady simply never made the drive killing mistakes against it… so either he was just better at guessing the coverage or tge ******* knew ahead of time when the defense was generally going to be doing… nobody guesses right all the damn time
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That’s what was infuriating though. We KNEW what they were going to do, yet DLB was powerless to stop it. ONE TIME DLB changed up and played man coverage with a good blitz and we won, finally thought we found a way to beat them, then the next time he went back to zone blitz and got his *** kicked again.
 
stuntmanmike said:
That ain’t Steeler football and they haven’t lifted a finger to fix it. The Rooney’s even watch the games anymore? they just come into town cash the checks then head back to Florida? Watching the 9ers and the eagles, chiefs, even bengals we are a long way from getting to that level.
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Yeah, we're a long way from that level it appears, and I try to remain glass half full, but when you see the same **** every year it's difficult. I'm still amazed at the Bungals complete and utter destruction of the Bills considering the Bungals patchwork of an offensive line for that game. They're doing something right and I think they beat KC soundly on Sunday. It's like we can never really adapt (injuries, or game planning 2nd half) and if we lose T.J. to injury, it's almost a guaranteed loss. Stuff like that gets me.
 
jiminoh said:
Yeah, we're a long way from that level it appears, and I try to remain glass half full, but when you see the same **** every year it's difficult. I'm still amazed at the Bungals complete and utter destruction of the Bills considering the Bungals patchwork of an offensive line for that game. They're doing something right and I think they beat KC soundly on Sunday. It's like we can never really adapt (injuries, or game planning 2nd half) and if we lose T.J. to injury, it's almost a guaranteed loss. Stuff like that gets me.
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that would be like them losing Chase, half their offense is gone.
 
Litos said:
that would be like them losing Chase, half their offense is gone.
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I can't dispute that for sure. He's good. But, their running game is still there and Burrow can make some good adjustments on his own. I hate saying any of this, but it's true.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Art Deuce speaks


Talks about Kenny and Matt having goof repour and breaking in a new OC would be a set back.


Salute the nation
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At this point, it makes sense and just see what happens. Thanks for posting the article DIC. I say give it another year, and from the article:

"I think we'd like to see the improvement. And with a rookie quarterback, they seem to work well together," Rooney said. "They've built a good working relationship. And so, to kind of start over again, with a new offensive coordinator, could wind up back in the same situation, again, where the first half of the season, you're breaking in a new coordinator. So, we just felt like there's enough there to build on that we want to continue to keep that group together."
 
jiminoh said:
At this point, it makes sense and just see what happens. Thanks for posting the article DIC. I say give it another year, and from the article:

"I think we'd like to see the improvement. And with a rookie quarterback, they seem to work well together," Rooney said. "They've built a good working relationship. And so, to kind of start over again, with a new offensive coordinator, could wind up back in the same situation, again, where the first half of the season, you're breaking in a new coordinator. So, we just felt like there's enough there to build on that we want to continue to keep that group together."
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See, that's where the problem lies. they would bring in a inexperienced OC just like O'Canada. O'Canada's offense is the easiest to defend in the NFL. It doesn't have "PRO" style routes / depth of plays / no ryme in set up / etc.. I'm no OC guru of any kind but I can see the simplicity of this offense (like many here as well).

If an experienced "PRO" style OC was brought in, Kenny would be way further ahead than what he is at now.

I'm still rooting for the current O'Canada & Kenny team up to be successful, but My opinion is they can do much better provided they brought in experienced OC.



Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
See, that's where the problem lies. they would bring in a inexperienced OC just like O'Canada. O'Canada's offense is the easiest to defend in the NFL. It doesn't have "PRO" style routes / depth of plays / no ryme in set up / etc.. I'm no OC guru of any kind but I can see the simplicity of this offense (like many here as well).

If an experienced "PRO" style OC was brought in, Kenny would be way further ahead than what he is at now.

I'm still rooting for the current O'Canada & Kenny team up to be successful, but My opinion is they can do much better provided they brought in experienced OC.



Salute the nation
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I couldn't agree more, but Art is gonna do what he's gonna do. We know this. I'm just happy Kenny is happy at the moment and not all pissy. If after next year it's another 8-8-1, 9-8, my opinion is to clean house and REALLY start over. But, they don't care what I think, so it doesn't matter.
 
diver said:
Ron...let's say you and I are trout fishing. You are catching them on a fly you tied, I'm not catching anything. You give me one of the flies you tied and I start catching fish. Are those fish your catches?
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No. But it seems pretty clear that you wouldn't have caught anything if you hadn't gotten help from somebody who knows how to fish...
 
wig said:
No. But it seems pretty clear that you wouldn't have caught anything if you hadn't gotten help from somebody who knows how to fish...
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Maybe. But as I read it, people are unwilling to give Tomlin any credit for that championship. You have acknowledged I should get credit for the fish caught. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whose fly I used, or what advice I got, I still had to catch the fish. I still had to close the deal. Tomlin did that and deserves the credit for it. I could give a **** less about the semantics, I am just glad he did.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Art Deuce speaks


Talks about Kenny and Matt having goof repour and breaking in a new OC would be a set back.


Salute the nation
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The extended interview:

Rooney: I liked as the schedule weakened the offense managed to average a few points more.

Interviewer: But what happens when you face the Buffalo, Kansas City, San Fran, Philly's of the league?

Rooney: We will cross that bridge when it comes. Plus Matt just broke open a new box of crayons and is eager to continue Kenny's development.

Interviewer: Well perhaps if he wouldn't have ate the last box he wouldn't have to open a new one?

Rooney: We don't live in our fears. Matt is excited to add a few er um complex routes. Our wide receivers are going to take off!

Interviewer: With no real coaching changes how can we expect overall improvement?

Rooney: We have the state of the art lab. I don't want to paint the barn with a broad brush while eating popcorn. But I am pretty confident that with continuity and a little elbow grease yinz will still buy tickets.

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diver said:
Maybe. But as I read it, people are unwilling to give Tomlin any credit for that championship. You have acknowledged I should get credit for the fish caught. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whose fly I used, or what advice I got, I still had to catch the fish. I still had to close the deal. Tomlin did that and deserves the credit for it. I could give a **** less about the semantics, I am just glad he did.
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I think Tomlin came into a very talented team that may have been a bit weary. And I'll accept the perhaps he did his cheerleader thing and the team got excited and found some gas in the tank. I can accept that. And I can even be thankful for it. That doesn't mean Tomlin has shown any glimmer of ability to win a SB now.
Hell, I don't have much faith in winning a wildcard round game.

Giving your analogy, you may catch a fish or two and then within a few more casts you will have untied the fly and thrown it out into the lake. Never to be found again. And you just keep fishing with the empty string.
 
topseed said:
But Tomlin hasn't even made the playoffs in 3 out of the last 5 seasons. The bar has consistently been getting lower and lower.

That's what I'm talking about when I ask about what MT has built. None of us were happy about losing the bigger playoff games under Cowher, but at least there was a decent chance at being able to win it all -- and the team had an identity. What's currently identifiable about the Steelers after 16 years under Tomlin? One word: Mediocrity.
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Under Cowher, 6 AFCC games.
Sure they lost a bunch, but they were THERE.
Cohwer made the AFCC game on average every 3 years. Tomlin is soon about to average once every 6 years. The comparison isn't close.
 
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