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Charleston shooting.

I'm waiting to find out what regular psychotropic drugs he's been on - or off of. What is it, in like 99% of all of these mass/school shootings, the perps were using one of them?

This isn't about a white conservative terrorist. It's about a twisted, deranged individual. Likely one that required drugs to cope during life.
 
This isn't about a white conservative terrorist.

Dylann Roof's White Supremacist Self-Portraiture
http://gawker.com/dylann-roofs-whit..._source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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In addition to two thousand words of contradictory—and, yet, all-too-familiar—racist extemporizing, the website LastRhodesian.com, registered under Dylan Storm Roof’s name, also contains a series of photographs of the Charleston shooter.

In them, Roof is seen variously hoisting the Confederate flag, burning the American flag, and posing at sites of historical significance: the Museum and Library of Confederate History (above); a Confederate cemetery; and what appears to be a plantation.

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Roof is also seen posing next to a sign on Sullivan’s Island, outside Charleston, a site of arrival in the United States for tens of thousands of Africans in bondage between 1700 and 1775.

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This isn't about a white conservative terrorist.

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Roof is photographed scrawling “1488” into the sand of a beach on the same day, presumably at Sullivan’s Island. “1488” is white supremacist code. The 14 stands for the 14 words of a phrase coined by the founder of the American Nazi Party: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” The eighth letter of the alphabet is H so 88 is HH for “Heil Hitler!”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html
 
Doocy asked that question early on in the Thursday morning show, just as everything was starting to unfold. Not many details had been known at that time, so I think his question was a valid one.

Frankly, I don't want to know why this kid did what he did. I don't want to "understand" him. He is a racist psychopath. That is all I need to know. When we try to "understand" why people do things, we end up infringing on the majority's freedoms. We pass stupid laws, with no thought to the consequences- just a law that is supposed to "increase safety," but never really gets to the true issue. It's a band-aid.
I'm going to get really deep in my response to this - albeit a short response...

It is the "infringement " of societies freedoms that has the world in the state that it is today. Simply put, when the world was "simpler" and men put God first---everything seems to fall in line. Once God was removed from "the public" - the world started spinning recklessly out of control.

We've done this to ourselves - and you're right, every act to "stop the bleeding" is putting a band-aid on it; because the true remedy will require a tourniquet that will cut off the bad limb(s).
 
I wonder who took the pictures? Somebody knew he was a nut job before this happened. I doubt any of his black friends took the pics.
 
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Roof is photographed scrawling “1488” into the sand of a beach on the same day, presumably at Sullivan’s Island. “1488” is white supremacist code. The 14 stands for the 14 words of a phrase coined by the founder of the American Nazi Party: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” The eighth letter of the alphabet is H so 88 is HH for “Heil Hitler!”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html

Just for fun. Which part of that rambling nazi (socialist) stuff makes him conservative?
 
Dylann Roof's White Supremacist Self-Portraiture
http://gawker.com/dylann-roofs-whit..._source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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In addition to two thousand words of contradictory—and, yet, all-too-familiar—racist extemporizing, the website LastRhodesian.com, registered under Dylan Storm Roof’s name, also contains a series of photographs of the Charleston shooter.

In them, Roof is seen variously hoisting the Confederate flag, burning the American flag, and posing at sites of historical significance: the Museum and Library of Confederate History (above); a Confederate cemetery; and what appears to be a plantation.

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Roof is also seen posing next to a sign on Sullivan’s Island, outside Charleston, a site of arrival in the United States for tens of thousands of Africans in bondage between 1700 and 1775.

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I guess it depends on how you see him. The racist is easy. By the way, I am fine with that. I don't give a **** as long as they fry his ***. Call him a racist or whatever.

The problem is that I don't think that really encapsulates this kid. First of all, he is 21. 21 year olds don't know ****. They may think they do, but they don't. The bigger concern for me is how we as a society are breeding kids that seem to think it is cool to shoot up a church or school with little kids or whatever. To me the race aspect was just a convenient justification in this *******'s mind as to do this. he wangted to shoot **** up, so he had to find some reason for it.

Hell, I hope I am wrong. I hope he is just some racist idiot. I don't think so, though. I think it goes deeper.
 
Just for fun. Which part of that rambling nazi (socialist) stuff makes him conservative?
Hmmm...white conservative terrorist or white supremacist terrorist...I'll let you work out the semantics. If it makes you feel better, he probably didn't adhere to any mainstream conservative ideology. I'm also guessing he wasn't a card-carrying democrat either. Just a common day, far-right-racist-nazi-terrorist-mass-murderer scumbag. Call him what you want...
 
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Hmmm...white conservative terrorist or white supremacist terrorist...I'll let you work out the semantics. If it makes you feel better, he probably didn't adhere to any mainstream conservative ideology. I'm also guessing he wasn't a card-carrying democrat either. Just a common day, far-right-racist-nazi-terrorist-mass-murderer scumbag. Call him what you want...

The point is nothing makes any of us feel better. Maybe it makes you feel better to label the idiot what you see fit. Helps you to put it in a box so you can simply define it. It isn't that simple, though. I don't know that any 21 year old can truly be this racist, white supremacist whatever. Hell, most of the 21 year olds I know can't get their faces out of their phones long enough to form an opinion on anything. Maybe I am getting old, which I am, but most of them are just idiots at 21. If you can be on Mommy and Daddy's insurance until you are 26, ****, you are a clueless child at 21.

Back to the point, though. I don't feel better if he is a racist or if he is just a kid looking for infamy. I feel like **** over it either way. When stuff like this happens though, we look for answers. We end up looking in the wrong places, though. Its the guns, or it is Fox News, or whatever. Bullshit.
 
Hmmm...white conservative terrorist or white supremacist terrorist...I'll let you work out the semantics. If it makes you feel better, he probably didn't adhere to any mainstream conservative ideology. I'm also guessing he wasn't a card-carrying democrat either. Just a common day, far-right-racist-nazi-terrorist-mass-murderer scumbag. Call him what you want...

Just so we are clear. That is far left.
 
Dylann Roof's White Supremacist Self-Portraiture
http://gawker.com/dylann-roofs-whit..._source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

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In addition to two thousand words of contradictory—and, yet, all-too-familiar—racist extemporizing, the website LastRhodesian.com, registered under Dylan Storm Roof’s name, also contains a series of photographs of the Charleston shooter.

In them, Roof is seen variously hoisting the Confederate flag, burning the American flag, and posing at sites of historical significance: the Museum and Library of Confederate History (above); a Confederate cemetery; and what appears to be a plantation.

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Roof is also seen posing next to a sign on Sullivan’s Island, outside Charleston, a site of arrival in the United States for tens of thousands of Africans in bondage between 1700 and 1775.

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Let me repeat. This isn't about a white conservative terrorist. It IS about a racist, deranged sociopath. The labels "terrorist" and "conservative" are being misapplied.

Let me return the favor. Just as easily as you've misapplied labels, I can call these Liberal Terrorists.

"Miami, Florida. The leader of a black supremacist sect (i.e., the “Yaweh ben Yaweh cult”) was convicted of the murders of several white people. He ordered his followers to kill any and all “white devils.” They killed at least seven white people, bringing back body parts to their leader." - Ibid., referencing: unsigned. (1991). “The killing class.” Miami Herald, Feb. 24; Gehrke, Donna. (1992). “ ‘I felt power’ while slaying 6 people, former Yaweh ‘death angel’ testifies.” Miami Herald, Jan. 30.

"Massachusetts. Four black men decided to murder the next white person they saw. That unlucky soul was a college student from Boston, whom the men stabbed to death." - Ibid., p. 59, referencing: Barnacle, Mike. (1991). “A double standard for race crimes?” Asbury Park Press, March 7.

"North Carolina. Four black teenagers lured a white, ten-year-old girl into an empty house. “There, they sodomized her, strangled her with a cable wire, and beat her to death with a board. In the past few weeks, the trials in the Tiffany Long case have received extensive coverage in the North Carolina press. But with two of the three defendants already sentenced to lifelong prison terms, and the third now standing trial, the national media have all but ignored the story. Only the Associated Press has reported on the trials, in a single, cursory piece. The AP, of course, failed to mention the race of the people involved — an oversight it seldom if ever committed in the case of Amadou Diallo.” - Unsigned. (2000). “Tiffany Long: Too white to be a victim.” FrontPage Magazine, Feb. 29. http://www.frontpagemag.com.

Davis, Patricia. (2000). “Manhunt in Alexandria for killer of 8-year-old.” Washington Post, April 20; Drake, John & Ellen Sorokin (2000a). “Stabbing probers kept race a secret.” Washington Post, July 12; unsigned. (2000). “The hate crime that wasn’t.” Washington Times, July 12.

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4313

"On February 27, the day after the Martin shooting, two black males in Detroit abducted and killed a white couple. The victims were found bound, shot and burned beyond recognition in an alley. Police are calling it a random “thrill killing.”

On February 28, in Kansas City, Missouri, two black teens attacked a 13-year-old white boy on his front porch as he was returning from school. They poured gasoline on him and set him on fire for no apparent reason, saying “You get what you deserve white boy!”

On March 14, a 20-year-old black man broke into the home of Bob and Nancy Straight in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He raped the 85-year-old Mrs. Straight and then beat her to death. Then he shot 90-year-old Mr. Straight in the face with a pellet gun and broke his jaw and ribs. He died several days later. The thug stole $200, a TV set and their Dodge Neon, which he drove to a nearby house where he went to hide. The police spotted the stolen car in front of the house and arrested him.

On April 1, in Jackson, Mississippi, a 31-year-old black man broke into a house to rob it and found a white woman inside. He forced her to lie on the floor with a blanket over her head as he shot her in the back of the head, execution-style.

On April 5, in Tunica, Mississippi, a 34-year-old black man checked into a hotel with his pregnant 25-year-old white girlfriend and their one-year-old child. The next day the woman was found dead on the floor brutally mutilated and covered with blood, as was the one-year-old child. The knife was in the room.

On April 15, in Las Vegas, a 22-year-old black man raped a 38-year-old white woman and her 10-year-old daughter. He then killed them by smashing their skulls with a hammer.

On top of all these brutal murders there have been a number of “flash mob” attacks across the country where anywhere from half a dozen to as many as a hundred blacks gang up on innocent people and beat them senseless. In at least 12 of these cases documented by this writer, the blacks have cited revenge for the shooting of Martin as the motive for the savageries, although in many cases the victims were also robbed.

One of these attacks occurred in Norfolk, Virginia, where more than 30 blacks brutally beat a white couple as another 70 blacks watched and cheered them on, a typical phenomenon in these black-on-white “flash mob” attacks. Martin’s name came up as the excuse for the brutality. The couple actually worked for the main newspaper in town, The Virginian Pilot, which has direct political ties to the Obama administration. That publication could not even be bothered to report on the attack of its own employees for two weeks—and even then it was only as an opinion piece written by a friend of the couple."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/race-based-hate-crimes-spike-in-dc/?page=all

Of the 18 victims of race-motivated hate crimes last year, 10 were white, four were black, two Hispanic, one Asian and one of another race, according to D.C. police.

Liberal Terrorists.
 
This kid was clearly delusional. The pic of him rocking a golds gym muscle shirt proves it.
 
Hmmm...white conservative terrorist or white supremacist terrorist...I'll let you work out the semantics. If it makes you feel better, he probably didn't adhere to any mainstream conservative ideology. I'm also guessing he wasn't a card-carrying democrat either. Just a common day, far-right-racist-nazi-terrorist-mass-murderer scumbag. Call him what you want...

I would align his belief system more with the pro-abortion crowd................"Hey, I don't want these people. I'll just kill them."
 
Hillary to the rescue!


Hillary Clinton Suggests Donald Trump-Like Comments Can 'Trigger' Events Like Charleston



“We have to have a candid national conversation about race, and about discrimination, hatred, prejudice,” Clinton said of the Charleston shooting in an interview with Jon Ralston on his show “Ralston Live.”

"Public discourse is sometimes hotter and more negative than it should be, which can, in my opinion, trigger someone who is less than stable.”

So we need to "have the discussion." But only under her rules.

He's still nothing but a punk-assed little *****

I'd be down for a Pay Per View execution

In a cage. No weapons. Just someone who's maybe actually bee to a Gold's (or any other) gym beating the little **** lifeless.



I've stayed quite ever since this tragic incident took place. I'll speak on it now...

First of all, my condolences go out to each and every family, the shooter's included, in this tragic event. May God console those that need Him right now and forever more.

My opinion.

Hate crime vs. religious crime? IMO, the only reason some of the media "spun" the story this way is because where the shooting took place. After reading story after story - POV after POV - the shooter planned his attack on unarmed victims during prayer meeting. Everything I've read states that the kid did not like people of color - in this case - Blacks.

I guess the question is - where did the kid learn this hate? But, it really doesn't matter - time on this Earth is only going to increase in wickedness and men's hearts shall "wax cold" (Matt. 24:12).

There is only one way this can and will make any sense - and that, friends, is by putting your trust and faith back in God. Myself included. We all fall short in life and events like these used to "shock" the world - now, not so much...

My original point was that the authorities and media IMMEDIATELY labeled this a hate crime. IMO there shouldn't even be any such thing but that's another thread.....the label was applied before anything was even known about the shooter or his identity other than the pic of him entering the church.


Hmmm...white conservative terrorist or white supremacist terrorist...I'll let you work out the semantics. If it makes you feel better, he probably didn't adhere to any mainstream conservative ideology. I'm also guessing he wasn't a card-carrying democrat either. Just a common day, far-right-racist-nazi-terrorist-mass-murderer scumbag. Call him what you want...

That's a cop out Tibs. You were wrong to label him conservative and are still wrong in trying to equate conservative and white supremacist and writing it off as "semantics." Just admit it rather than dissembling.
 
In watching all the talking heads on the weekend news shows,they are all doing their best to create this huge right wing extremist movement that is simmering below the surface of white America. Really quite shameful.
 
That's a cop out Tibs. You were wrong to label him conservative and are still wrong in trying to equate conservative and white supremacist and writing it off as "semantics." Just admit it rather than dissembling.
I was wrong, I admit it and will refrain from dissembling. I'll take your word there are no white supremacists - at all - amongst right-wing conservatives. My bad.
 
I was wrong, I admit it and will refrain from dissembling. I'll take your word there are no white supremacists - at all - amongst right-wing conservatives. My bad.

Not a single person here is saying there aren't. People are objecting to the very fast rush to label this guy this and that. We see how successful the Liberal media has been in the past to rush to slap these labels incorrectly on suspects and you're doing the same. Remember the 2 students shot in NC by the "Christian Right Wing Conservative" who 'oops' turned out to be an atheist? Or the Boston Bombing immediately being called an act of domestic terrorism, or...

You're no different.

What we know is he is white and he is a deranged racist.

Thanks for all the insightful replies to my posts about the Liberal Terrorists, which are a far greater problem in this country, at this time, than any supposed white conservative terrorist.
 
I was wrong, I admit it and will refrain from dissembling. I'll take your word there are no white supremacists - at all - amongst right-wing conservatives. My bad.

FYI- one of the most notorious hate groups in the USA, the Westboro Baptist Church, is Democrat. Fred Phelps ran for governor of KS as a Democrat. His family is Democrat.
 
Thanks for all the insightful replies to my posts about the Liberal Terrorists...
You've never read anything by me - ever - supporting liberal terrorists, or terrorists of any other kind. This thread is about a specific attack in SC, carried out by an openly racist, hateful terrorist, who happens to be white.

...which are a far greater problem in this country, at this time, than any supposed white conservative terrorist.
As FoxNews and the right wing media will have you believe... it works both ways, you know.
 
This kid was clearly delusional. The pic of him rocking a golds gym muscle shirt proves it.

You rock a Gold's Gym muscle shirt better if you have muscles. Just sayin'.

There is a flaw in most Liberals' logic which is SC shooter is a white racist ---> Most Conservatives and Republicans are white ---> Therefore all Conservatives and Republicans are racist.
 
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You've never read anything by me - ever - supporting liberal terrorists, or terrorists of any other kind. This thread is about a specific attack in SC, carried out by an openly racist, hateful terrorist, who happens to be white.


As FoxNews and the right wing media will have you believe... it works both ways, you know.

Actually, it's about statistics. Liberal Terrorists perform hate crimes on white victims at an exceedingly greater rate than white terrorists do on black victims.

Do you want to debate this?
 
Actually, it's about statistics. Liberal Terrorists perform hate crimes on white victims at an exceedingly greater rate than white terrorists do on black victims.

Do you want to debate this?
No, thank you.

On a positive note, it's nice to see the church in SC opened its doors again today for service. RIP to those that lost their lives in the senseless crime.


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Parishioners embrace as they attend the first church service four days after a mass shooting that claimed the lives of nine people at the historic Emanuel African Methodist Church on June 21, 2015 in Charleston, South Carolina.


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The Rev. Norvel Goff, right, prays at the empty seat of the Rev. Clementa Pinckney at the Emanuel A.M.E. Church four days after a mass shooting that claimed the lives of Pinckney and eight others at the historic Emanuel African Methodist Church June 21, 2015 in Charleston, South Carolina.
 
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