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Colbert or Tomlin whoever has the final say needs to go

Perfect example is Chicago....it canned Lovie and then it brought in Trestman...they became enamored with his Grey Cup championship in the CFL and thought it would be sufficient as making him a candidate and then eventually he became the head coach.....follow Lovies 10-6 finish up with two consecutive losing seasons and now theyve just canned Lovies replacement. Think of where they would be compared to where they are now..........and there aint no turnin that thing around fast especially when youve purged staff and brought in a new GM who's soon to add a new head coach....Chicago, like Cleveland, Washington, Oakland, gambled.....and lost. I bet theyd kill for another 10-6 season under Lovie now.

Probably not. Most of us consider 10-6 with no playoffs to be the same as 4-12. It's only those of you whose bar for success is "eh, we're OK, I guess" who would never ever ever fire a coach. The Bears saw that they were a stale, fading team under about 45 years of Lovie Smith and made a change.

Your management method is clearly "NEVER make any changes. If you have an average season, STAY PUT!! because if you change something, the replacement MIGHT not be good!"

I'm surprised the Steelers didn't just fold up shop after Noll. After all, it's IMPOSSIBLE to replace ANYONE, since there's a chance the next guy isn't as good.
 
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Obsessing ? The nerve this cat has to say IM obsessing..........you, the one post-jockin daily in an attempt to try and prove a baseless point. Not to mention YOU seem to be the one that has an obsession with Mike Tomlin....seems his name is always residing somewhere in your posts....Question, how many days have you come to SN and posted anything NOT concerning your feelings for Tomlin ? Its sorta like the boy/kid thats developed a liking for girls and theres one in particular he always seems to try and get her attention even if its by throwin wad of paper or spitballs.

Challenge: see if you can go two days without commenting about Tomlin (and your feelings surrounding the man)--seems the 4 game winning streak was effective at muting your pie hole

LMAO, is this a serious reply? Pretty much any posting of mine, involving Tomlin, is in response to one of you ballchinians mentioning me by name, or saying something absolutely ridiculous that I can't help but to comment on; but lately, I seem to be getting a special amount of attention from you, in particular.

I post about all sorts of things, both football and non-football-related, that have nothing to do with Tomlin...hello? Are you awake? Drunk? Not that bright, perhaps? How old are you, blitz? Are you an adult? Here, I have an even better challenge: See if I can go more than two days without responding to your dumbass...think I can do it??
 
no, to the contrary. I'm not saying he's Scottie Pippen.

I'm saying "if you use your own goddamn eyeballs and brain" you'll clearly see that he plays multiple positions. I know, it's because he sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks at every position he could ever play. For ****'s sake, he even came out of the birth canal sideways. He's clearly the most awful linebacker to ever consider lacing up his shoes and throwing on pads to play the game. I, for one, am shocked and amazed that he's not been given his walking papers and told to carry on his life's work making sandcastles on a beach in Montana. As I'm sure you are too, considering how deep your hate is for him. I mean, the guy's just the only defensive player on the field we can count on more often than not. Certainly Spence or Williams can replace him ... EASILY. You know, since he sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks. All those missed tackles. All those times he's clearly pushed around by 3rd grade girl scout troops. All his off-field issues and arrests. All of that makes him the most hated man on the field every day for you.

Yeah, it's just me.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2014/09/lawrence-timmons-struggles-tied-defensive-woes/

"Time and time again, he overran plays and took himself out of position to make a tackle. That was less of a concern last week against the Baltimore Ravens, but he did miss several tackles."

"But his performance in coverage, or more specifically tackling the catch, left much to be desired as he flailed past receiver after receiver.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/m/news.php?id=TimmLa99

"The Steelers may actually get more impact plays from Timmons at OLB, where his burst makes him a natural pass rusher, and avoid some of the negative plays that happen when Timmons gets caught out of position playing ILB."

(LOL. Yeah, we got some DYNAMITE snaps from the guy at OLB.)

http://www.chatsports.com/pittsburg...avens-Film-Review-Lawrence-Timmons-2-10414398

"The problem is, as I've written previously, the new defensive signal caller hasn't been living up to his role often enough during the course of the first two games of the season."

"Timmons was clearly getting gassed by the Ravens' no-huddle attack."

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...-browns-film-review-lawrence-timmons-miscues/

"The Pittsburgh Steelers are counting on inside linebacker Lawrence Timmons to be the nucleus of a defense this season, he inherited the buck linebacker position and signal-calling duties,and Sunday against the Cleveland Browns was his first meaningful game acting in this role.

Unfortunately, much of it wasn’t very pretty, especially once we get to the second half of the game. Defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said after the game that the biggest issue the defense had in the second half was lapses in communication.

That just so happens to fall under Timmons’ jurisdiction, and he struggled to get his troops lined up in advanceof the Browns’ hurry up pace in the second half. More than that, he struggled often to find the right holes, overrunning several plays in the process." <-- so, in his second year as the (part-time) Buck, he STILL couldn't get anyone lined up and the plays called.

Not to mention an article on his shitfuck tackling from The Paper Not to Be Named.

The other comes from such notorious Steeler-hating sources as Steelers Depot and KFFL.

I know, I know, it's all because he's the first ILB IN LEAGUE HISTORY to play next to a rookie. As we know, all other good ILBs play with nothing but All-Pros around them. Timmons is the only player in the league who can use the - for two years straight. His 7th and 8th NFL seasons.

As we all know, it takes AT LEAST 9-10 years to learn an ILB position in today's NFL. Even Willis needs his safeties to come call the defense for him - even though he only plays the Buck on third downs.

or, maybe you're wrong? nah...couldnt be. oh, but you are...

Oh, so he became the Buck? Or he only played the Buck on third downs? My God, it's like Patrick Willis and Jack Lambert had a baby!

Throughout 2013, this board was buzzing about the fact that Timmons was so over his head at Buck that Troy was calling the defensive plays for him. Even the cheerleaders noted it. But not you. Only SUPERMAN knows the ins and outs of Lawrence Timmons. (Or more likely, Timmons knows the ins and outs of your throat.)

"a chess piece of devastation" good holy god drinking a flat zima from up on high.
he's moved around because ... Spence. Williams. Shazier.

Yes, he's certainly moved around. I guess that means he's automatically good everywhere, despite the reviews from film-watchers. Which we know isn't your thing.

and before you starting your predictable "make his bust for Canton now!" bullshit, no one ... I repeat... NO ONE is saying he's on par with Lambert, Ham, Greene, Lloyd or Harrison. Hell, no one has even said he is the exact equivalent of Farrior. All that has been said is that he's very close to being as good as Farrior. But, since someone heaped praise on him, well, that's just unacceptable. To the IdiotKeyBoard! this must be stopped at once. Only Bash Timmons! No other choice! No other way! Clearly no one else understands football the way you do, what with your multiple 4k tvs set up so you can watch every game and clearly unemotionally and without bias break down every play of every single player, offer up your own misguided stats and predict DOoooOooM! GlooOoOooM! Agony on the Stillerz. Becarz. Idiot.

I've been told he's more talented than Farrior, and that Farrior ****** up a lot just like Timmons does. When I hear absurdist hyperbole like that, I jump in.
 
I've never been a big fan of Lovie Smith or his Tampa-2 defensive philosophy, but he did reach regular season expectations more than I thought with the talent he had.

He just couldn't seem to get over the hump and mortgaging picks for Cutler looks to be a poor decision (although understandable at the time). Cutler is hard to coach as proof by the turnstyle they've had at OC over his years there.

I'll be honest and thought I had a plan in place last off-season to fire Colbert in 2014, evaluate Tomlin in 2014 and possibly fire him and hire Bill O'Brien in 2015. Houston beat me to the punch (I really thought O'Brien was going to give Penn State one more season). I like O'Brien, but it will be difficult to evaluate his tenure in Houston with the quarterback situation he has.

I have kept a diary of coaches I like and have watched for a while, in really any capacity, although these aren't head coaching candidates to me (yet).

Ken Zampeze (offense/QB)
Bill Callahan (offense/O-Line)
Mike Munchak (offense/O-Line)
Joe Lombardi (offense/QB)
Frank Reich (offense/QB)

I try to stay away from the OC's that have great quarterbacks. I struggle to understand the love for Adam Gase (has Manning) and Josh McDaniels (has Brady) and Tom Clements (has Rogers). Isn't it EASY to be an offensive coordinator with those guys?

The defensive side of the ball is harder for me to identify the up-and-comers. If you like the Todd Bowles and Ray Horton path, you need to look at young DB coaches:

Carnell Lake
Tim McDonald
Darren Perry

Guys that understand the passing game defense and work under "pressure" coaches I am intrigued in.

There are also the Belichick linebacker coach tree: Vrabel, Bryan Cox and Pepper Johnson in coaching right now although I'm not sold on them.

Filling out an offensive/defensive staff has never been an issue for me, it's finding the one CEO mind for a head coach that sees the forest from the trees and can think big and creatively and outside the box and is open to new ideas. To me that's what a head coach really needs to be.

P.S. And this is just my pro coach watch list. It does not count colleges, who I am less educated on and do think are worthwhile candidates right now (and more so than the past considering how everything is headed towards more spread/pace oofensive concepts).
 
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Who said he is more talented then Farrior or that Farrior ****** up alot too?
 
I've never been a big fan of Lovie Smith or his Tampa-2 defensive philosophy, but he did reach regular season expectations more than I thought with the talent he had.

He just couldn't seem to get over the hump and mortgaging picks for Cutler looks to be a poor decision (although understandable at the time). Cutler is hard to coach as proof by the turnstyle they've had at OC over his years there.

I'll be honest and thought I had a plan in place last off-season to fire Colbert in 2014, evaluate Tomlin in 2014 and possibly fire him and hire Bill O'Brien in 2015. Houston beat me to the punch (I really thought O'Brien was going to give Penn State one more season). I like O'Brien, but it will be difficult to evaluate his tenure in Houston with the quarterback situation he has.

I have kept a diary of coaches I like and have watched for a while, in really any capacity, although these aren't head coaching candidates to me (yet).

Ken Zampeze (offense/QB)
Bill Callahan (offense/O-Line)
Mike Munchak (offense/O-Line)
Joe Lombardi (offense/QB)
Frank Reich (offense/QB)

I try to stay away from the OC's that have great quarterbacks. I struggle to understand the love for Adam Gase (has Manning) and Josh McDaniels (has Brady) and Tom Clements (has Rogers). Isn't it EASY to be an offensive coordinator with those guys?

The defensive side of the ball is harder for me to identify the up-and-comers. If you like the Todd Bowles and Ray Horton path, you need to look at young DB coaches:

Carnell Lake
Tim McDonald
Darren Perry

Guys that understand the passing game defense and work under "pressure" coaches I am intrigued in.

There are also the Belichick linebacker coach tree: Vrabel, Bryan Cox and Pepper Johnson in coaching right now although I'm not sold on them.

Filling out an offensive/defensive staff has never been an issue for me, it's finding the one CEO mind for a head coach that sees the forest from the trees and can think big and creatively and outside the box and is open to new ideas. To me that's what a head coach really needs to be.

P.S. And this is just my pro coach watch list. It does not count colleges, who I am less educated on and do think are worthwhile candidates right now (and more so than the past considering how everything is headed towards more spread/pace oofensive concepts).

An interesting list of coaches Del. Just at a glance, do you think Lake is ready to be a DC? Lombardi and of course Reich I've heard of as possibly making the jump to HC sometime soon although I thought the general mindset was that they were both at least a year or two away from being ready.
 
LMAO, is this a serious reply? Pretty much any posting of mine, involving Tomlin, is in response to one of you ballchinians mentioning me by name, or saying something absolutely ridiculous that I can't help but to comment on; but lately, I seem to be getting a special amount of attention from you, in particular.

I post about all sorts of things, both football and non-football-related, that have nothing to do with Tomlin...hello? Are you awake? Drunk? Not that bright, perhaps? How old are you, blitz? Are you an adult? Here, I have an even better challenge: See if I can go more than two days without responding to your dumbass...think I can do it??

It really takes very lil to move you off your center........dont it ? A real assjacket you become when you get called out......wipe the sweat from the unibrow Kippy... :-)
 
It really takes very lil to move you off your center........dont it ? A real assjacket you become when you get called out......wipe the sweat from the unibrow Kippy... :-)

lol naw, work's just boring today :)
 
Probably not. Most of us consider 10-6 with no playoffs to be the same as 4-12..

Alright, I've gotten to a point where I'm not really interested in the same tired debate over and over but I want to put this out there right now. I want everybody to respond to this statement. It doesn't matter if you want the coach gone or not, jus answer the question. Is a 10-6 season the same, even just as good as 4-12? Most of us feel that way? Right? I'll go first. **** no. I do NOT think they are the same. Using ridiculous statements like these to bait people into arguments is a joke. It is your modus operandi though.
 
Alright, I've gotten to a point where I'm not really interested in the same tired debate over and over but I want to put this out there right now. I want everybody to respond to this statement. It doesn't matter if you want the coach gone or not, jus answer the question. Is a 10-6 season the same, even just as good as 4-12? Most of us feel that way? Right? I'll go first. **** no. I do NOT think they are the same. Using ridiculous statements like these to bait people into arguments is a joke. It is your modus operandi though.

That the entire thought process behind it is beyond ridiculous. All the way around. Perhaps it's the Reese Bobby - Talledega Nights philosophy, "If you ain't first, you're last." Either way it's really dumb.
 
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No one's getting fired after an 11-5 season and division title. No one.

I want a new GM in the worst way and even I know it's not happening. Last year was a window of opportunity to fire people and the Rooney's didn't do it. Now we wait again and see what happens in 2015.
 
Can't say as to how I think 10-6 w/no playoffs is the same is 4-12. Not even close
 
No one's getting fired after an 11-5 season and division title. No one.

I want a new GM in the worst way and even I know it's not happening. Last year was a window of opportunity to fire people and the Rooney's didn't do it. Now we wait again and see what happens in 2015.

With Haley's extension, I was trying to read something into it regarding Tomlin's possible extension.

As I've said, with a playoff win, I think an extension was a certainty. Without it, I'm not so sure.

With the Haley extension, does that mean they are giving extensions all the way around or, as I think you said in another thread, leaving it lie and retaining the ability to completely clean house?

I guess it is up to speculation. I've waffled back and forth. I hope they follow the path of seeing what happens next season before discussing any extension for Tomlin. I have begun to lean towards it meaning (as Ron says) that Tomlin's extension is forthcoming, too.
 
I sure do and even though I realize ever year we dont win a lʍoq ɹǝdnS its a bad year in Steeler Nation. You do realize we have been more good then bad under Tomlin right? You do realize there are alot of franchises who would kill to have the success we have had under him right?

Obviously your expectations are quite low.

I find totally unacceptable that in the last EIGHT SEASONS the Steelers HAVE ONLY been able to win at least a play-off game in TWO ******* SEASONS, TWO ******* SEASON with an over 100M QB who is not getting any younger. Did you get that, TWO ******* SEASONS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. Is that acceptable in your opinion?
 
Obviously your expectations are quite low.

I find totally unacceptable that in the last EIGHT SEASONS the Steelers HAVE ONLY been able to win at least a play-off game in TWO ******* SEASONS, TWO ******* SEASON with an over 100M QB who is not getting any younger. Did you get that, TWO ******* SEASONS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. Is that acceptable in your opinion?

unacceptable

which supports the thread title
 
Its possible to be a fan and a realist at the same time. The fan in me wants to win the lʍoq ɹǝdnS every year and is still depressed and pissed we are not playing this weekend. The realist sees progress. The offense is top notch. The defense is a work in progress but does have some pieces. The run defense improved. The secondary improved as the season progressed. We found some young guys in the secondary who while are not starters are contributers. This defense needs pass rushers and NO 1 CB. A SS and we are business IMO. Unlike some I dont see it as easy to replace hall of fame type players. Its not easy. How can you replace a Troy Polamalu when there may not be another Troy Polamalu. The Steelers went 12-4 and lost to Tebow whaaa whaaaa. Wont be the last time a team is upset in the playoffs. Then two 8-8 seasons when we are obviously rebuilding. Whaaaa whaaa. We go 11-5 this year with a defense that is subpar and if we dont lose Bell who knows we maybe playing this weekend. It sucks that we blew the 2008 and 09 drafts that contributed to our two 8-8 seasons. It happened. Tell me this how many other franchises can withstand blowing two drafts and still managing to stay competive and maybe turning the corner so fast??? Not many. The Patriots have managed to stay competive every year and kudos to them. But guess what we have still won a lʍoq ɹǝdnS more recently than them.
 
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10-6 is better than 4-12, absolutely.
 
I would take 7 - 8 - 1 and a playoff berth than 10 - 6 and a non-playoff berth season.. With the berth you have that shot at a SB....any more anything is possible.
 
No one's getting fired after an 11-5 season and division title. No one.

I want a new GM in the worst way and even I know it's not happening. Last year was a window of opportunity to fire people and the Rooney's didn't do it. Now we wait again and see what happens in 2015.
I could go with a new GM. I remember the belief that Omar Khan was being groomed to be our next GM when Colbert hands in the keys to the kingdom - or has them removed from his possession. Just wonder if that would still be in play?

Omar Khan - GM
Tomlin - coach
Haley - OC
Butler - DC
 
thus far NO ONE has agreed that 4-12 is the same as 10-6? odd. he did say "most of us". seems that there would be at least one person in agreement.
 
I could go with a new GM. I remember the belief that Omar Khan was being groomed to be our next GM when Colbert hands in the keys to the kingdom - or has them removed from his possession. Just wonder if that would still be in play?

Omar Khan - GM
Tomlin - coach
Haley - OC
Butler - DC

I would give Butler his walking papers also....
 
Can't say as to how I think 10-6 w/no playoffs is the same is 4-12. Not even close

4-12 is only good if you're in the NFC South where that gets you in the playoffs.
 
What would be different for a Butier defense than the Lebeau defense?

Honestly think it's hard to say. I think of Ray Horton, who we all wanted to run out of town because of the lack of development of our defensive backs, but now he is recognized as one of the most aggressive defensive coordinators in the league.
 
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