Colbert or Tomlin whoever has the final say needs to go

[blitzburghv5]

Well, prior to last offseason I was all about Bill O'Brien. He's gone, so I'd turn my attention to Darrell Bevel or Dan Quinn from Seattle. And I don't buy for one second that Rex Ryan is a ****** coach - while I wouldn't necessarily prefer him to Tomlin, I'd consider it. And I don't know why Harbaugh is on your no-no list.

From the college ranks, I love David Shaw, but I think he's staying for awhile.

Because Harbaugh is the type of coach that brings immediate results but after a couple years his act wears on his players. It was said in the media that players started to tune Jim out.

 

[ark steel]

Because Harbaugh is the type of coach that brings immediate results but after a couple years his act wears on his players. It was said in the media that players started to tune Jim out.

If they hired either Harbaugh, I'd be pissed. I wouldn't spend one iota of time on a Steelers game until he was gone. I wouldn't spend my time hitching about the hire or asking that he be fired. The most I would do is check out the scores to see whether the steelers won or lost.

 

[Superman]

Rex Ryan is 46-50 as a head coach. He doesn't have a winning record. Even if he lost both games every year to the Pats, he should be able to win or split with the other bullshit teams in the AFC East, perhaps the weakest division in the AFC. He's posted a winning record twice in six seasons. His first two. Since then, he's either been 8-8 or worse. Based on how Tomlin is bashed for posting consecutive 8-8 seasons, I doubt a 6-10 or even 4-12 record would be praised or glad-handed here. He's led his team to six total playoff games, and is 4-2 in the post-season. His first year of 8-8, his defense was 20th. He's a defensive genius, but his team finished 20th in defense? In the weak-assed AFC East? Nice. To prove it wasn't an abberation, he followed THAT up with another 20th-placed ranking the following season...when the Jets went 6-10. Sparkling. Oh, but there absolutely was improvement the following year, as they bolstered the defense and zoomed up to ... 19th. You go, Rex. No, really. Or was that an aberration? In 2014, the Jets finished twenty-*******-forth in defense. 24th. Defensive genius. Team finished 24th in the weak-assed AFC East. Impressive. oh, and dead-*******-last in the AFC East. Against such offensive power houses as the Dolphins and Bills. Truly impressive.

oh, and as a talent evaluator, he slobbered all over Geno Smith. He even called Geno Smith a "great pick" in the draft. Truly a visionary in terms of talent evaluation. No other word for it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith. Let that sink in. I'll repeat it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith.

As for free agency? If Tomlin and the Steelers FO are bashed incessantly for allowing wunderkind Keenan Lewis to leave, then how do you explain Darrell Revis? The SAME Revis who is now with the Patriots? Could you imagine this board if Keenan Lewis went to the Rats? Surely SOMETHING could have been doen to keep Revis (the same SOMETHING that could have been done to keep Lewis in Pittsburgh, right?!?).

So, no, Rex Ryan isn't a ****** head coach. He's downright deplorable as a head coach.

 

[Superman]

yes, I know ... Revis was traded to Tampa then went to New England. Doesnt minimize jack nor **** about that argument.

 

[slashsteel]

Rex Ryan is 46-50 as a head coach. He doesn't have a winning record. Even if he lost both games every year to the Pats, he should be able to win or split with the other bullshit teams in the AFC East, perhaps the weakest division in the AFC. He's posted a winning record twice in six seasons. His first two. Since then, he's either been 8-8 or worse. Based on how Tomlin is bashed for posting consecutive 8-8 seasons, I doubt a 6-10 or even 4-12 record would be praised or glad-handed here. He's led his team to six total playoff games, and is 4-2 in the post-season. His first year of 8-8, his defense was 20th. He's a defensive genius, but his team finished 20th in defense? In the weak-assed AFC East? Nice. To prove it wasn't an abberation, he followed THAT up with another 20th-placed ranking the following season...when the Jets went 6-10. Sparkling. Oh, but there absolutely was improvement the following year, as they bolstered the defense and zoomed up to ... 19th. You go, Rex. No, really. Or was that an aberration? In 2014, the Jets finished twenty-*******-forth in defense. 24th. Defensive genius. Team finished 24th in the weak-assed AFC East. Impressive. oh, and dead-*******-last in the AFC East. Against such offensive power houses as the Dolphins and Bills. Truly impressive.

oh, and as a talent evaluator, he slobbered all over Geno Smith. He even called Geno Smith a "great pick" in the draft. Truly a visionary in terms of talent evaluation. No other word for it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith. Let that sink in. I'll repeat it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith.

As for free agency? If Tomlin and the Steelers FO are bashed incessantly for allowing wunderkind Keenan Lewis to leave, then how do you explain Darrell Revis? The SAME Revis who is now with the Patriots? Could you imagine this board if Keenan Lewis went to the Rats? Surely SOMETHING could have been doen to keep Revis (the same SOMETHING that could have been done to keep Lewis in Pittsburgh, right?!?).

So, no, Rex Ryan isn't a ****** head coach. He's downright deplorable as a head coach.

Which is why I want him as a D coordinator if DL retires... As he might get interviews as a head coach, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will land a gig.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Rex Ryan is 46-50 as a head coach. He doesn't have a winning record. Even if he lost both games every year to the Pats, he should be able to win or split with the other bullshit teams in the AFC East, perhaps the weakest division in the AFC. He's posted a winning record twice in six seasons. His first two. Since then, he's either been 8-8 or worse. Based on how Tomlin is bashed for posting consecutive 8-8 seasons, I doubt a 6-10 or even 4-12 record would be praised or glad-handed here. He's led his team to six total playoff games, and is 4-2 in the post-season. His first year of 8-8, his defense was 20th. He's a defensive genius, but his team finished 20th in defense? In the weak-assed AFC East? Nice. To prove it wasn't an abberation, he followed THAT up with another 20th-placed ranking the following season...when the Jets went 6-10. Sparkling. Oh, but there absolutely was improvement the following year, as they bolstered the defense and zoomed up to ... 19th. You go, Rex. No, really. Or was that an aberration? In 2014, the Jets finished twenty-*******-forth in defense. 24th. Defensive genius. Team finished 24th in the weak-assed AFC East. Impressive. oh, and dead-*******-last in the AFC East. Against such offensive power houses as the Dolphins and Bills. Truly impressive.

oh, and as a talent evaluator, he slobbered all over Geno Smith. He even called Geno Smith a "great pick" in the draft. Truly a visionary in terms of talent evaluation. No other word for it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith. Let that sink in. I'll repeat it. He passed on Le'Veon Bell for Geno Smith.

As for free agency? If Tomlin and the Steelers FO are bashed incessantly for allowing wunderkind Keenan Lewis to leave, then how do you explain Darrell Revis? The SAME Revis who is now with the Patriots? Could you imagine this board if Keenan Lewis went to the Rats? Surely SOMETHING could have been doen to keep Revis (the same SOMETHING that could have been done to keep Lewis in Pittsburgh, right?!?).

So, no, Rex Ryan isn't a ****** head coach. He's downright deplorable as a head coach.

Yet, Ryan is getting interviewed by the the majority of the HC vacancy circuit, so the league does not see him as "downright deplorable."

When you reach consecutive AFCC games with Mark Sanchez at QB, you can coach.

Ryan has worked with two of the worst GMs of the modern era. The Dolphins deserve what they get for hiring Tannenbaum, given the contracts that loser gave to Sanchez and Santonio Holmes.

 

[Superman]

Yet, Ryan is getting interviewed by the the majority of the HC vacancy circuit, so the league does not see him as "downright deplorable."

When you reach consecutive AFCC games with Mark Sanchez at QB, you can coach.

Ryan has worked with two of the worst GMs of the modern era. The Dolphins deserve what they get for hiring Tannenbaum, given the contracts that loser gave to Sanchez and Santonio Holmes.

and he WANTED Sanchez.
i mean, really? THIS guy, with his shoddy record is a viable HC?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

and he WANTED Sanchez.
i mean, really? THIS guy, with his shoddy record is a viable HC?

For some people it's all about ABT (Anybody But Tomlin). You should know and accept this by now.

 

[Idioteque]

For some people it's all about ABT (Anybody But Tomlin). You should know and accept this by now.

Really? Even though Punx just laid out detailed reasoning for his opinion? Because he doesn't think Rex Ryan is awful? It's still just Anybody But Tomlin?

Talk about reading what you want to read.

 

[Xc944]

Apparently the Pro Bowl committee has never watched him. When was that draft, 6 years ago? Time to let it go and move on. It's ok to be wrong once in awhile. It happens to everyone.[/QUOT Timmons can thank d Johnson for getting injured hes played 7 seasons and many 9+ mill seasons. Not even owe to worth the money there are more than 10 ilbs better

 

[ark steel]

For some people it's all about ABT (Anybody But Tomlin). You should know and accept this by now.

And throwing out excuse after excuse for any others.

 

[Omar10213245]

If any of those guys wanted to coach theyd be back already........Chicago, NYJ, MIA, Buffalo, HOU, SF, Tenn, SD, KC have all had openings for head coaches the last two or three seasons...those are some decent franchises with great ownership unlike Cleveland, Oakland or Jax. What exactly are those guys waiting on ?.......none of em want the Dallas job should it come available (Jimmy been there, done that and wont **** w Jerry anymore)....I mean, whats the ideal job today ?

You asked who I wanted in an ideal situation, I told you. you can cite popular media all you want but none of us really know who will coach again, or when. Given that done Dungy is a former Steeler and has a great amount of respect for the Rooneys, it would not shock me that if he ever DOES decide to come out of coaching retirement, that he would come to us. Did anybody honestly think Joe Gibbs would ever have come back to the Redskins in 2004?? Of course, even if we don't have Tony Dungy coaching, I'd still have faith in the ownership and front office to find the right coach to elevate this team to a championship caliber team. Just because a guy isn't a familiar name or someone you hear about always coming up for coaching searches, does not mean that that guy is not out there.

Now quit obsessing over people who dont worship your boyfriend Mikey T, its not healthy

 

[Superman]

Oh. So your point is that Timmons is moved around like a chess piece of devastation. You're saying he's our Scottie Pippen.

The guy can't even play Buck without help.

no, to the contrary. I'm not saying he's Scottie Pippen.

I'm saying "if you use your own goddamn eyeballs and brain" you'll clearly see that he plays multiple positions. I know, it's because he sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks at every position he could ever play. For ****'s sake, he even came out of the birth canal sideways. He's clearly the most awful linebacker to ever consider lacing up his shoes and throwing on pads to play the game. I, for one, am shocked and amazed that he's not been given his walking papers and told to carry on his life's work making sandcastles on a beach in Montana. As I'm sure you are too, considering how deep your hate is for him. I mean, the guy's just the only defensive player on the field we can count on more often than not. Certainly Spence or Williams can replace him ... EASILY. You know, since he sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks. All those missed tackles. All those times he's clearly pushed around by 3rd grade girl scout troops. All his off-field issues and arrests. All of that makes him the most hated man on the field every day for you.

or, maybe you're wrong? nah...couldnt be. oh, but you are...

When Foote was lost with an injury in the opener last season, Timmons played his buck role on passing downs, but stayed at the mac on first and second downs when rookie Vince Williams played the buck.

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or is everyone else in the world wrong but you?

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...on-responsibilities-starters-depth-chart-2014

The Steelers' vision for inside linebacker Lawrence Timmons has changed a few times over the years. Chalk that up to drafting a 20-year-old who was oozing with potential.

He gave outside linebacker a shot, along with learning the inside of both linebacker positions, his rookie season. Long-term, it appeared his highest and best use would be on the inside, the heir apparent to James Farrior's borderline trademarked buck position.

The buck linebacker in this defense is more of the gap-plugger. The buck was used more to counter the fullback, back in the day offenses used such a position. While it's still there, oftentimes masked as a move tight end or H-back today, the buck linebacker's role has shifted into a bit of a combination of buck's more free-roaming friend, the mack linebacker.

Timmons has spent the majority of his career as a mack, letting his speed and athleticism define him as a player. After something of a transition away from the build of a more traditional buck playing next to him (i.e. Larry Foote and last year, Vince Williams), Timmons will hold down the buck's duties, according to Post Gazette reporter Ed Bouchette.

"a chess piece of devastation" good holy god drinking a flat zima from up on high.
he's moved around because ... Spence. Williams. Shazier.

and before you starting your predictable "make his bust for Canton now!" bullshit, no one ... I repeat... NO ONE is saying he's on par with Lambert, Ham, Greene, Lloyd or Harrison. Hell, no one has even said he is the exact equivalent of Farrior. All that has been said is that he's very close to being as good as Farrior. But, since someone heaped praise on him, well, that's just unacceptable. To the IdiotKeyBoard! this must be stopped at once. Only Bash Timmons! No other choice! No other way! Clearly no one else understands football the way you do, what with your multiple 4k tvs set up so you can watch every game and clearly unemotionally and without bias break down every play of every single player, offer up your own misguided stats and predict DOoooOooM! GlooOoOooM! Agony on the Stillerz. Becarz. Idiot.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You asked who I wanted in an ideal situation, I told you. you can cite popular media all you want but none of us really know who will coach again, or when. Given that done Dungy is a former Steeler and has a great amount of respect for the Rooneys, it would not shock me that if he ever DOES decide to come out of coaching retirement, that he would come to us. Did anybody honestly think Joe Gibbs would ever have come back to the Redskins in 2004?? Of course, even if we don't have Tony Dungy coaching, I'd still have faith in the ownership and front office to find the right coach to elevate this team to a championship caliber team. Just because a guy isn't a familiar name or someone you hear about always coming up for coaching searches, does not mean that that guy is not out there.

Now quit obsessing over people who dont worship your boyfriend Mikey T, its not healthy

You would trust them to go out and find another coach but not trust them to do what they have always done which is stick with their coaches even when they have a bad year or two. A formula they have used to be one of the best franchises in all of sports since the 70s. I mean they have done it the other way also firing coaches left and right and were known as the "Same Ol Steelers".

 

[Omar10213245]

You would trust them to go out and find another coach but not trust them to do what they have always done which is stick with their coaches even when they have a bad year or two.

What choice would I have? Uh...they own the team...who else am I supposed to trust? They got the 2 guys before Tomlin that were pretty spot-on, so yeah, I still think the Rooneys could find a leader for the team's future. You do realize that Tomlin has been around for longer than a "year or two", right?

 

[antdrewjosh]

What choice would I have? Uh...they own the team...who else am I supposed to trust? They got the 2 guys before Tomlin that were pretty spot-on, so yeah, I still think the Rooneys could find a leader for the team's future. You do realize that Tomlin has been around for longer than a "year or two", right?

I sure do and even though I realize ever year we dont win a lʍoq ɹǝdnS its a bad year in Steeler Nation. You do realize we have been more good then bad under Tomlin right? You do realize there are alot of franchises who would kill to have the success we have had under him right?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I sure do and even though I realize ever year we dont win a lʍoq ɹǝdnS its a bad year in Steeler Nation. You do realize we have been more good then bad under Tomlin right? You do realize there are alot of franchises who would kill to have the success we have had under him right?

If the Browns went 8-8 for two years and lost in the first round of the playoffs in the third, Cleveland would throw a ticker tape parade.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Pretty sure I said under Tomlin. So that would include his whole tenure correct? Two super bowl appearances is included in that. I know they were awhile ago now but they still count for under his tenure correct? So yeah Im pretty sure a Browns fan would be estatic with that. I know we are the Steelers if we dont win the Super Bowl every year someone should be fired and everybody on the team sucks.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Sorry about that Ron I read your post as a question....

 

[obxsteeler]

I sure do and even though I realize ever year we dont win a lʍoq ɹǝdnS its a bad year in Steeler Nation. You do realize we have been more good then bad under Tomlin right? You do realize there are alot of franchises who would kill to have the success we have had under him right?

No-there are people who don't realize that and never will. But I think it has a lot more to do with their personal opinion of Tomlin than his skills as a coach. And why I trust the Rooney's a lot more than them.

 

[Omar10213245]

No-there are people who don't realize that and never will. But I think it has a lot more to do with their personal opinion of Tomlin than his skills as a coach. And why I trust the Rooney's a lot more than them.

Go ahead and say what you mean...it's because I'm wuh-wuh-wacist, right?

 

[blitzburghv5]

You asked who I wanted in an ideal situation, I told you. you can cite popular media all you want but none of us really know who will coach again, or when. Given that done Dungy is a former Steeler and has a great amount of respect for the Rooneys, it would not shock me that if he ever DOES decide to come out of coaching retirement, that he would come to us. Did anybody honestly think Joe Gibbs would ever have come back to the Redskins in 2004?? Of course, even if we don't have Tony Dungy coaching, I'd still have faith in the ownership and front office to find the right coach to elevate this team to a championship caliber team. Just because a guy isn't a familiar name or someone you hear about always coming up for coaching searches, does not mean that that guy is not out there.

Now quit obsessing over people who dont worship your boyfriend Mikey T, its not healthy

Obsessing ? The nerve this cat has to say IM obsessing..........you, the one post-jockin daily in an attempt to try and prove a baseless point. Not to mention YOU seem to be the one that has an obsession with Mike Tomlin....seems his name is always residing somewhere in your posts....Question, how many days have you come to SN and posted anything NOT concerning your feelings for Tomlin ? Its sorta like the boy/kid thats developed a liking for girls and theres one in particular he always seems to try and get her attention even if its by throwin wad of paper or spitballs.

Challenge: see if you can go two days without commenting about Tomlin (and your feelings surrounding the man)--seems the 4 game winning streak was effective at muting your pie hole

 

[ark steel]

If the Browns went 8-8 for two years and lost in the first round of the playoffs in the third, Cleveland would throw a ticker tape parade.

and print up t-shirts, hats..

 

[deljzc]

I have to admit the coaching candidates getting re-hashed and re-hired and re-talked about around the league right now do not excite me (see here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...x-ryan-leads-top-nine-headcoaching-candidates)

I have long held the belief that to avoid a "blow up the building" scenario, firing Colbert first was and should be the first decision/step. That does two things: takes some degree of personnel power away from Tomlin and also lets a new set of eyes evaluate Tomlin's performance as a coach from inside the building.

Personally, I don't know if Tomlin is good, average or bad (my guess is average). Without a lot of information that only someone close to the team has, I can't know for sure where the consistency breakdowns occur week-to-week or who is really making the decisions.

I also would not hire a new GM without some idea of his "current top-3 coaching candidates" to possibly replace Tomlin and have some feel of agreement of that list.

My long-standing issue with this regime right now is I'm not sure if there is adequate self-evaluation and accountability inside the building. I think Art Rooney II is taking a more "hands off" approach to the team than Dan Rooney did. I think Art Rooney II is more involved and interested in expanding revenue on a league-wide level and more like the other egocentric billionaire owners around the league than Dan Rooney was.

I think by allowing the tandem of Colbert/Tomlin to "run the show" has not effectively put checks and balances into the culture of the building. I think Colbert and Tomlin are very tied at the hip and rarely critique each other's ability (even to Art Rooney). And I don't really understand who reviews and evaluates if Colbert and/or Tomlin is doing a good job.

By bringing in a new GM, increasing Art Rooney's involvement in the management side of the team, I think it would allow for more outside the box and critical thinking on ways to improve the team. If you hire the right GM that isn't in it for themselves and has an open mind, I would love to hear his opinion of Tomlin and then make yearly decisions if a better candidate or candidates exist before deciding Tomlin's fate with the franchise. To me, you would never fire a guy without having at least a 75% idea of who is better and available. I think too many teams do that and are very stupid.

 

[blitzburghv5]

I have to admit the coaching candidates getting re-hashed and re-hired and re-talked about around the league right now do not excite me (see here: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...x-ryan-leads-top-nine-headcoaching-candidates)

I have long held the belief that to avoid a "blow up the building" scenario, firing Colbert first was and should be the first decision/step. That does two things: takes some degree of personnel power away from Tomlin and also lets a new set of eyes evaluate Tomlin's performance as a coach from inside the building.

Personally, I don't know if Tomlin is good, average or bad (my guess is average). Without a lot of information that only someone close to the team has, I can't know for sure where the consistency breakdowns occur week-to-week or who is really making the decisions.

I also would not hire a new GM without some idea of his "current top-3 coaching candidates" to possibly replace Tomlin and have some feel of agreement of that list.

My long-standing issue with this regime right now is I'm not sure if there is adequate self-evaluation and accountability inside the building. I think Art Rooney II is taking a more "hands off" approach to the team than Dan Rooney did. I think Art Rooney II is more involved and interested in expanding revenue on a league-wide level and more like the other egocentric billionaire owners around the league than Dan Rooney was.

I think by allowing the tandem of Colbert/Tomlin to "run the show" has not effectively put checks and balances into the culture of the building. I think Colbert and Tomlin are very tied at the hip and rarely critique each other's ability (even to Art Rooney). And I don't really understand who reviews and evaluates if Colbert and/or Tomlin is doing a good job.

By bringing in a new GM, increasing Art Rooney's involvement in the management side of the team, I think it would allow for more outside the box and critical thinking on ways to improve the team. If you hire the right GM that isn't in it for themselves and has an open mind, I would love to hear his opinion of Tomlin and then make yearly decisions if a better candidate or candidates exist before deciding Tomlin's fate with the franchise. To me, you would never fire a guy without having at least a 75% idea of who is better and available. I think too many teams do that and are very stupid.

Perfect example is Chicago....it canned Lovie and then it brought in Trestman...they became enamored with his Grey Cup championship in the CFL and thought it would be sufficient as making him a candidate and then eventually he became the head coach.....follow Lovies 10-6 finish up with two consecutive losing seasons and now theyve just canned Lovies replacement. Think of where they would be compared to where they are now..........and there aint no turnin that thing around fast especially when youve purged staff and brought in a new GM who's soon to add a new head coach....Chicago, like Cleveland, Washington, Oakland, gambled.....and lost. I bet theyd kill for another 10-6 season under Lovie now.