Flog be on his 10th booster, so everyone should be as well, cuz science.
FFS, Tim. I directly quoted the NEJM study. You reference a nonsensical analysis by Igor “I own a popular math website and run a business” Chudov from Substack!Good little Dan Rather wannabe....Context matters.
"The rapid decline in protection against omicron infection that was conferred by vaccination and previous infection provides support for booster vaccination."
Now before you twist your man bun scrunchy around that, you are deflecting from the point of the two articles. One is a NEJM study. The other is an analysis of said study. And as often happens, sometimes the real conclusion isn't what the authors intended. As is the case here.
Their analysis is damning. The key points you should take away (but won't, because you're a Branch Covidian zealot):
That's what the data's saying.
- The NEJM piece shows that children who had Covid and were subsequently vaccinated, were much more likely to get reinfected than their peers who also had Covid, and were NOT vaccinated.
- For 15 months, unvaccinated/previously infected children were protected, while vaccinated children were much less protected.
- Previously infected, naturally immune kids who got vaccinated saw their protection drop to ZERO in 7 months.
- After vaccination both previously infected and previously uninfected children dropped to below ZERO in 20 weeks (meaning the vaccination destroyed the natural immunity protection in previously infected children)
- The vaccine unset and removed their natural immunity.
But hey, it's MEDICAL DOCTORS again, right?
FFS, Tim. I directly quoted the NEJM study.
Nowhere can any of his interpretation of the graphs and conclusions be found in the study.
“Natural immunity reset” or “natural immunity removal” ain’t a thing, it’s just not.
Both natural and vaccinated immunity wane over time, that’s all.
I’m quite certain the MEDICAL DOCTORS that authored the NEJM study are capable of interpreting their findings and basing their SUPPORT FOR BOOSTERS on those findings. They didn’t overlook some damning discovery.
Like I said, Democrats good, Republicans bad, Democrats right, Republicans wrong. That’s all he needs to know.
Tim 4, Floggy no score, no shots on goal, no nothing except chirping from the line outside the arena.No you didn't you did exactly what I said you did - took words out of context. I posted the full quote, which says something utterly different than you purported it did
You're making my point. The authors of the article attempted to make a point while their data fully made another point.
They may not have an official name, but they happen. As the data showed. They studied 887,193 children aged 5 to 11 years in North Carolina. Substantial study. Substantial data.
While a true statement, and utterly misleading statement. Kids with natural immunity have better protection longer than those who get the clot shot. Kids who had natural immunity and get the clot shot lose their natural immunity RAPIDLY. Damning information.
Oh, they did. Why don't you correct Igor's analysis? Tell us all where and how he is wrong. There are 6 graphs in the article.
Please, do go on an interpret them differently for us.
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No it doesn’t. You are interpreting that “vaccination and previous infection” means only people who are both vaccinated and had previous infection.No you didn't you did exactly what I said you did - took words out of context. I posted the full quote, which says something utterly different than you purported it did
Again, the arrogance. They know what they’re talking about. They’re published in the NEJM. Your posting social media posts and substack articles. You didn’t discover something they missed.You're making my point. The authors of the article attempted to make a point while their data fully made another point.
Yes, and they were able to interpret their own data just fine without your help.They may not have an official name, but they happen. As the data showed. They studied 887,193 children aged 5 to 11 years in North Carolina. Substantial study. Substantial data.
Did you read the study? At four weeks, vaccine 63.2% effective for previously uninfected vs. immunity from SARS Cov-2 of 62.9%.While a true statement, an utterly misleading statement. Kids with natural immunity have better protection longer than those who get the clot shot. Kids who had natural immunity and get the clot shot lose their natural immunity RAPIDLY until it's gone. Damning information.
I just quoted the studies results.Oh, they did. Why don't you correct Igor's analysis? Tell us all where and how he is wrong. There are 6 graphs in the article.
Please, do go on and interpret them differently for us.
No it doesn’t. You are interpreting that “vaccination and previous infection” means only people who are both vaccinated and had previous infection.
Again, the arrogance. They know what they’re talking about. They’re published in the NEJM. Your posting social media posts and substack articles. You didn’t discover something they missed.
Yes, and they were able to interpret their own data just fine without your help.
Did you read the study? At four weeks, vaccine 63.2% effective for previously uninfected vs. immunity from SARS Cov-2 of 62.9%.
I just quoted the studies results.
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No it doesn’t. You are interpreting that “vaccination and previous infection” means only people who are both vaccinated and had previous infection.
Again, the arrogance. They know what they’re talking about. They’re published in the NEJM. Your posting social media posts and substack articles. You didn’t discover something they missed.
Yes, and they were able to interpret their own data just fine without your help.
Did you read the study? At four weeks, vaccine 63.2% effective for previously uninfected vs. immunity from SARS Cov-2 of 62.9%.
I just quoted the studies results.
Tim - Trog is as deep as the plot to amateur gay porn.You clearly didn't read the articles or the study or the graphs. Note the graphs Flog. Each group is broken out clearly and separately by case type - previously infected, previously uninfected, unvaccinated only children, and children that are both naturally immune AND got the vaccine.
- Graph B - analyzes Pfizer on previously infected children and previously uninfected children (comparing uninfected and prior-infected kids)
- Graph C - analyzes natural immunity against reinfection in only unvaccinated children (kids with only natural immunity)
- Graph D - analyzes natural immunity against reinfection in vaccinated children (kids with both the shot and natural immunity)
I've read the study 3 times, thanks to your inane blather and misinterpretation of it.
What you did was misquote the article. Badly. You butchered it. You really do suck at this Flog.
Your quote: "At four weeks, vaccine 63.2% effective for previously uninfected vs. immunity from SARS Cov-2 of 62.9%". You cherry picked data and tried to blend it together in a new sentence, and change the context, once again. You messed up weeks with months, badly. You compared 63.2% (vaccinated immunity at 4 WEEKS, the peak) with 62.9% (natural immunity at 4 MONTHS). At 4 MONTHS, vaccinated immunity was 15.5% LOL. At 4 months, natural immunity was at 62.9%....
What the article actually said: "Among unvaccinated children, the estimated effectiveness of omicron infection against reinfection with omicron was 90.7% at 2 months and 62.9% at 4 months"
Months. Not weeks. MONTHS.
The second decimation of your piss poor quoting...the article said: "Among previously uninfected children, vaccine effectiveness reached 63.2% at 4 weeks after the first dose and decreased to 15.5% at 16 weeks"
Are you following? Clearly you are not.
Unvaxed, previously infected children: 90.7% protection against reinfection at 2 MONTHS, 62.9% at 4 MONTHS. <----Natural Immunity
Vaxed, previously uninfected children: 63.2% protection at 1 MONTH, decreasing to 15.5% at 4 MONTHS. <----Vaccinated Immunity
Now can someone tell me which is better? I got Covid, I didn't get jabbed, I peak at 90.7% protection and still have 62.9% protection at 4 months. Is that better than never having Covid, getting the clot shot, then reaching a peak of 63.2% protection at one month, and having it fall to 15.5% at 4 months?
Is 90.7% protection at 2 months better than 62.9% protection at 1 month??
Is 63.2% protection at 4 months better than 15.5% protection at 4 months??
Seems pretty simple.
Now after you clean up that mess, go back and tell us all how the two separate interpretations of the data are wrong. Don't evade or sidestep or cherry pick.
Is this making sense to you? I could teach an Ogre this stuff. Kids with natural immunity only, against Delta had about 53% protection remaining from their natural immunity after 7 months. Kids that had natural immunity and mommy and daddy made them get the clot shot lost 100% of their protection after 7 months. It all went poof. Gone. Disappeared.
- Chart B - shows that previously infected children (who have natural immunity) AND got the vaccine, dropped to ZERO protection AFTER getting the vaccine and fared worse than just the kids who were only vaccinated. Even you have stated having natural immunity and vaccinated immunity is better than one or the other alone. Explain how this chart isn't showing that getting the vaccine caused the naturally immune to basically lose their prior immunity.
- Chart C - protection against Delta in the previously infected and unvaccinated (The BLUE Line Floggy). Notice natural immunity wanes, but stays positive at well over 50% after 7 months <---Natural Immunity
- Chart D - this is the money slide. Compare it to Chart C. Here you have previously infected AND vaccinated children. Natural Immunity + vaccinated immunity Floggy. Follow the BLUE line again, the Delta variant. After 7 months, kids with the shot and natural immunity dropped to ZERO protection.
Do explain how that is not the case.
I've avoided the big bad covid for all this time, it finally got me today. Bone shaking chill sand, and a tiny cough so far.
I did vaxxed early in this process, only because my next door neighbor died of covid. Admittedly that scared me. He was young.
But, I was due for a booster in May that I didn't get so I'm sure that's worn off. Doesn't matter, they don't work anyway. No more jabbies for this guy. I'll take my chances.