Covid Vaccine

[Tim Steelersfan]

No need to worry, the CDC is investigating VAERS reports, monitoring them for signals. They are looking out for all of us. ::cough cough::

React19 Research: VAERS Audit​

https://react19.org/vaers-audit/

React19, a patient advocacy organization representing more than 20,000 Covid vaccine-injured individuals, reviewed 126 VAERS report numbers filed by 103 independent Covid vaccine-injured individuals. We conducted this audit due to concerns raised by members that they never received permanent VAERS report Identification Numbers, they could not find their VAERS reports after published on the website, and/or their reports had been altered, combined with previous reports, or removed. The scope of the audit was to understand how CDC and FDA are following up with VAERS reports filed by those who continually suffer after their Covid vaccine injury.

We recruited React19 members to the audit between October 17 and November 7, 2022. We advertised this through a support group. React19 individuals who agreed to the audit provided their name and report number(s). The audit (conducted by Alberto Benavides, Brianne Dressen, Joel Wallskog, MD, Linda Wastila, PhD) captured the following information: Temporary ID, Link to the live VAERS report, VAERS permanent ID, State, Age, Gender, Vaccination Date, Symptom on-set date, Date entered, date published, date deleted, and any commentary by injured who filed the report.

Our audit found the following:​

Of 126 verified true VAERS reports of Covid-19 vaccine injury or death:

• 61% of the reports were logged and published in the VAERS system correctly (provided a permanent ID#);
• 22% of the reports do not have a permanent ID and, therefore, are not publicly visible;
• 12% of the reports have been outright deleted and, therefore, not publicly visible;
• 5% could not file a report or their report number remains unknown.

Medical status of the 15 deleted reports:​

• 53% are Reports of Permanent Disability
• 27% are Reports of ER/Hospital
• 20% are “Other”

Medical status of the 79 reports currently visible in the VAERS system:​

• 23% are Reports of Permanent Disability
• 38% are Reports of ER/Hospital Visits
• 39% are “Other”

Individuals who received only temporary IDs (their reports are not visible to the public) reported that they were not aware that their report was not officially in the system, nor were they aware VAERS would need to issue a 2nd permanent ID. During the audit, these individuals were encouraged to call the VAERS office to inquire about the status of their report. Examples of the responses follow. Individuals whose reports were deleted called the VAERS office as well.

Sample responses of calls to the VAERS system: ​

Call log from individuals asking VAERS about their temporary reports:​

“Basically, she didn’t have an answer why some of us are stuck in temporary mode. She said when we filed originally, we should have gotten an email as an acknowledgment letter with a permanent ID. Seems it’s up to us to know that, look out for the email and if we don’t get one, we are to call them to figure it out. As of now she says two of my temp IDs will be merged into one and I should get an email from them in the next week that will have my permanent ID.”

“I called VAERS and they were cagey when I said I heard my report was deleted. After being placed on hold while she checked, I was told they had my info. Neither denied or confirmed my report was deleted. Told me they would contact me if they need anything. Basic response each time I dug for more details.”

Example of investigation of 2 reports, with one deleted:​

Report 1 not updated: “I called, emailed, and faxed updates as they instructed when I repeatedly reached out to update the lot# and medical diagnostics. Nothing was ever updated. I tried every possible avenue even though my hands didn’t work. Months later I got the standard automated updated request from them which I always filled out and again, no update to anything. I called again and they said you cannot update any reports at all ever, I must put in a new report.”

“Report 2 deleted: They instructed me to file this report when refusing to do updates to report #1. My report #2 has my medical proof of SFN (small fiber neuropathy), bilateral ulnar neuropathy on EMG, brain spots on MRI, and the lot #. The second report is clearly more important and shows specific medical findings. Yet they silently deleted it, and never updated the misleading and weak first report which was too early for diagnostics.”

Example of death report NOT listed as a death report: (2 reports filed)​

– 1st Report after HLH diagnosis classified as “life threatening” – 2nd Report filed after his death classified as “hospitalized” Family called to request a correction to the 2nd report to be fatality and was instructed to file another report, and was sent a form condolence letter from the CDC. (fatality was May 2021, form letter received December 2022. After their initial complaint inquiring about why his report is not indicated as a death, they subsequently received the following email: “Good afternoon, Thank you for contacting the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) program. Thank you for taking the time to file the report. VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public. You can find the above information on our website at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html. Should you require assistance in the future please visit our website or contact us. Sincerely, VAERS Staff”

Example of death report not followed up on:

“My condolence letters from the cdc. Despite claims of safety monitoring they never contacted me, never asked for death certificate, autopsy report, medical records. They were not looking for any “signals”. I called several times to ask why no one had contacted me to investigate why a young healthy 34 year old passed 2 weeks after Pfizer vaccine and the only thing I got was those insulting letters.”

Summary​

Our audit found that 1 in 3 reports are either not processed through the system for the public to review due to lack of assignment of a permanent ID and/or deletion after original publication. This lack of public visibility is psychologically hurtful and disrespectful to the injured and their families who filed the reports. A ratio of 1 in 3 reports not being visible to the public due to being deleted or incorrectly processed in the VAERS system is far above the margin of error anyone would expect. It also suggests problems of omission, data, and under-reporting of VAERS reports may be even greater than estimated.(1-3) In sum, our audit illustrates a wide-spread issue with reports not being processed by the CDC appropriately.

The VAERS system insists they have the information for each report, but when asked they do not provide the information, only stating that they can see it on the private side and that it is combined with the original report. This makes it impossible for submitters to verify and/or validate their reports. The original report in public-facing VAERS does not reflect any updates given. This also illustrates the lack of transparency of the VAERS system, co-managed by the FDA and CDC.

 

[Confluence]

If the vaccines are safe, why is this happening?

COVID litigation conference next month in Atlanta​

In March, VSRF is partnering with the Mendenhall Law Group to host the Covid Litigation Conference 2023 (CLC 2023) from March 25-26 in Atlanta, Georgia. Over the next 10 years, Covid lawsuits are expected to see huge growth, an unfortunate development that reflects the need to bring justice in the courts for hundreds of thousands of people negatively impacted by harmful Covid-19 policies.

https://www.vacsafety.org/events

• Employer Mandates: State/federal, ADA, worker’s compensation, individual & class action plaintiffs
• Education Mandates: Public & private K-12 schools, public & private universities, Title 10, coercion, informed consent, fraud, conflicts of interest.
• Medical License: Medical board certification, tortious interference, First Amendment, fraud, libel, violation of Administrative Procedures (APA or equivalent)
• Fraud: False Claims Act, pharma fraud, VAERS fraud, SBA and PPP fraud, whistleblower protection
• Civil Rights: Public access/accommodation, ADA, informed consent (state agencies), due process, religious liberty, First Amendment
• Censorship: First Amendment, collusion, racketeering (federal agencies)
• Vaccine Injury: Includes liability, informed consent, mandates by institutions, VICP, CICP
• Hospital Negligence: Includes Remdesivir, denial of early treatment protocols, vaccine coercion
• Mass Torts: Includes Covid vaccine injury and hospital misuse of Remdesivir

Finally, a mechanism for starting the discussion about accountability.

Wouldn't it have been nice if the folks spending the taxpayer money, dictating loss of liberties and negatively affecting individual, family and company socio-economic well being did some real self examination.

I hope someone gets them to add a panel on the damage to children, young people, old people, etc.

"Informed consent" should be its own panel. That clearly did not happen in virtually all Covid health mandates. And "First, do no harm".

 

[Confluence]

No need to worry, the CDC is investigating VAERS reports, monitoring them for signals. They are looking out for all of us. ::cough cough::

React19 Research: VAERS Audit​

https://react19.org/vaers-audit/

React19, a patient advocacy organization representing more than 20,000 Covid vaccine-injured individuals, reviewed 126 VAERS report numbers filed by 103 independent Covid vaccine-injured individuals. We conducted this audit due to concerns raised by members that they never received permanent VAERS report Identification Numbers, they could not find their VAERS reports after published on the website, and/or their reports had been altered, combined with previous reports, or removed. The scope of the audit was to understand how CDC and FDA are following up with VAERS reports filed by those who continually suffer after their Covid vaccine injury.

We recruited React19 members to the audit between October 17 and November 7, 2022. We advertised this through a support group. React19 individuals who agreed to the audit provided their name and report number(s). The audit (conducted by Alberto Benavides, Brianne Dressen, Joel Wallskog, MD, Linda Wastila, PhD) captured the following information: Temporary ID, Link to the live VAERS report, VAERS permanent ID, State, Age, Gender, Vaccination Date, Symptom on-set date, Date entered, date published, date deleted, and any commentary by injured who filed the report.

Our audit found the following:​

Of 126 verified true VAERS reports of Covid-19 vaccine injury or death:

• 61% of the reports were logged and published in the VAERS system correctly (provided a permanent ID#);
• 22% of the reports do not have a permanent ID and, therefore, are not publicly visible;
• 12% of the reports have been outright deleted and, therefore, not publicly visible;
• 5% could not file a report or their report number remains unknown.

Medical status of the 15 deleted reports:​

• 53% are Reports of Permanent Disability
• 27% are Reports of ER/Hospital
• 20% are “Other”

Medical status of the 79 reports currently visible in the VAERS system:​

• 23% are Reports of Permanent Disability
• 38% are Reports of ER/Hospital Visits
• 39% are “Other”

Individuals who received only temporary IDs (their reports are not visible to the public) reported that they were not aware that their report was not officially in the system, nor were they aware VAERS would need to issue a 2nd permanent ID. During the audit, these individuals were encouraged to call the VAERS office to inquire about the status of their report. Examples of the responses follow. Individuals whose reports were deleted called the VAERS office as well.

Sample responses of calls to the VAERS system: ​

Call log from individuals asking VAERS about their temporary reports:​

“Basically, she didn’t have an answer why some of us are stuck in temporary mode. She said when we filed originally, we should have gotten an email as an acknowledgment letter with a permanent ID. Seems it’s up to us to know that, look out for the email and if we don’t get one, we are to call them to figure it out. As of now she says two of my temp IDs will be merged into one and I should get an email from them in the next week that will have my permanent ID.”

“I called VAERS and they were cagey when I said I heard my report was deleted. After being placed on hold while she checked, I was told they had my info. Neither denied or confirmed my report was deleted. Told me they would contact me if they need anything. Basic response each time I dug for more details.”

Example of investigation of 2 reports, with one deleted:​

Report 1 not updated: “I called, emailed, and faxed updates as they instructed when I repeatedly reached out to update the lot# and medical diagnostics. Nothing was ever updated. I tried every possible avenue even though my hands didn’t work. Months later I got the standard automated updated request from them which I always filled out and again, no update to anything. I called again and they said you cannot update any reports at all ever, I must put in a new report.”

“Report 2 deleted: They instructed me to file this report when refusing to do updates to report #1. My report #2 has my medical proof of SFN (small fiber neuropathy), bilateral ulnar neuropathy on EMG, brain spots on MRI, and the lot #. The second report is clearly more important and shows specific medical findings. Yet they silently deleted it, and never updated the misleading and weak first report which was too early for diagnostics.”

Example of death report NOT listed as a death report: (2 reports filed)​

– 1st Report after HLH diagnosis classified as “life threatening” – 2nd Report filed after his death classified as “hospitalized” Family called to request a correction to the 2nd report to be fatality and was instructed to file another report, and was sent a form condolence letter from the CDC. (fatality was May 2021, form letter received December 2022. After their initial complaint inquiring about why his report is not indicated as a death, they subsequently received the following email:

Example of death report not followed up on:

“My condolence letters from the cdc. Despite claims of safety monitoring they never contacted me, never asked for death certificate, autopsy report, medical records. They were not looking for any “signals”. I called several times to ask why no one had contacted me to investigate why a young healthy 34 year old passed 2 weeks after Pfizer vaccine and the only thing I got was those insulting letters.”

Summary​

Our audit found that 1 in 3 reports are either not processed through the system for the public to review due to lack of assignment of a permanent ID and/or deletion after original publication. This lack of public visibility is psychologically hurtful and disrespectful to the injured and their families who filed the reports. A ratio of 1 in 3 reports not being visible to the public due to being deleted or incorrectly processed in the VAERS system is far above the margin of error anyone would expect. It also suggests problems of omission, data, and under-reporting of VAERS reports may be even greater than estimated.(1-3) In sum, our audit illustrates a wide-spread issue with reports not being processed by the CDC appropriately.

The VAERS system insists they have the information for each report, but when asked they do not provide the information, only stating that they can see it on the private side and that it is combined with the original report. This makes it impossible for submitters to verify and/or validate their reports. The original report in public-facing VAERS does not reflect any updates given. This also illustrates the lack of transparency of the VAERS system, co-managed by the FDA and CDC.

If 1 in 3 reports to VAERS are not visible/findable/whatever, then it is simple math to say that the VAERS system under-reports "VAERS Reporting" by 50%.

That is very disappointing. Almost astounding.

Just to clarify Tim, which anti-vax group did you gather this info from?

 

[Steelr4evr]

If the vaccines are safe, why is this happening?

COVID litigation conference next month in Atlanta​

In March, VSRF is partnering with the Mendenhall Law Group to host the Covid Litigation Conference 2023 (CLC 2023) from March 25-26 in Atlanta, Georgia. Over the next 10 years, Covid lawsuits are expected to see huge growth, an unfortunate development that reflects the need to bring justice in the courts for hundreds of thousands of people negatively impacted by harmful Covid-19 policies.

https://www.vacsafety.org/events

• Employer Mandates: State/federal, ADA, worker’s compensation, individual & class action plaintiffs
• Education Mandates: Public & private K-12 schools, public & private universities, Title 10, coercion, informed consent, fraud, conflicts of interest.
• Medical License: Medical board certification, tortious interference, First Amendment, fraud, libel, violation of Administrative Procedures (APA or equivalent)
• Fraud: False Claims Act, pharma fraud, VAERS fraud, SBA and PPP fraud, whistleblower protection
• Civil Rights: Public access/accommodation, ADA, informed consent (state agencies), due process, religious liberty, First Amendment
• Censorship: First Amendment, collusion, racketeering (federal agencies)
• Vaccine Injury: Includes liability, informed consent, mandates by institutions, VICP, CICP
• Hospital Negligence: Includes Remdesivir, denial of early treatment protocols, vaccine coercion
• Mass Torts: Includes Covid vaccine injury and hospital misuse of Remdesivir

I hope people get some justice and it brings about change so this **** NEVER happens again.

 

[oneforthebus]

There are hundreds of millions around the globe that are sheep. They enable what we are seeing. There are several in this thread. They have fallen hook, line and sinker for that cheer leading and unfettered belief that "the science is settled" and the vaccines are safe. And they have been conditioned to slander anyone wanting answers as science deniers, heretics, and "anti vaxxers."

Objectively and logically, we should be investigating to find answers. That's science. They demand you shut up. That's anti-science.

They don't want investigations to occur. They know the science is settled.

And we are the crazies....

I laugh.

A post full of strawmen.

I don't know of anyone who is against investigation. I have never demanded anyone shut up (if anyone's telling people to shut up it's the majority of people in this thread who are all like minded). I have never said "the science is settled". All I've said is people shouldn't spread blatant lies. People shouldn't be exploiting every single person around the globe who happens to die unexpectedly for their agenda. People shouldn't be exaggerating or distorting data to try and prove their points or making fake videos or claiming things that happened in 2019 happened recently. You have a right to say whatever you want and I have a right to point out when it's total bullshit.

As I've said many times before this is a sophisticated campaign that mixes kernels of truth with lies to intentionally deceive people. If that's ok with you have at it. Are you all "crazies"? Not necessarily. I do know there are currently tons of people all over social media claiming that there was a fake Damar Hamlin at the Super Bowl and the real one is actually dead so that the NFL can protect Pfizer.

Maybe that kind of **** seems sane to you. Not to me, sorry.

FYI I'm not getting into the reporting of covid deaths because I don't know all the facts. I don't know who all is responsible for the reporting, what the guidelines were, how the data was collected, who interpreted it...if we were intentionally lied to whoever is responsible for that needs to be accountable. I don't know exactly who that is. I try not to speak on things I don't have all the facts about.

But I do know that a lot of people died from covid. I know 3 myself and my nurse practitioner friend witnessed dozens. Accurate numbers are of course very important but inaccurate numbers don't indicate to me that covid was a benign illness.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If 1 in 3 reports to VAERS are not visible/findable/whatever, then it is simple math to say that the VAERS system under-reports "VAERS Reporting" by 50%.

That is very disappointing. Almost astounding.

Just to clarify Tim, which anti-vax group did you gather this info from?

To be clear, anything written about the vaccines or anything associated with the vaccines that does not come from the White House, the CDC, or ABCCBSNBCPBSMSNBCHuffingtonPostLATimes is misinformation.

It came from React19. I looked at their About information earlier today. Run be people all injured by the vaccines. Doctors etc.

 

[Troglodyte]

Wow. Strahan interviews Damar. Asked him what happened. Massive pregnant pause...."Umm...that's something I wanna stay away from."

Why?

Sheep! You fell for a deep fake. You’re pathetic.

https://www.newsweek.com/damar-hamlin-interview-ignites-covid-vaccine-theory-1781232

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I don't know of anyone who is against investigation.

We all do.

I have never demanded anyone shut up (if anyone's telling people to shut up it's the majority of people in this thread who are all like minded). I have never said "the science is settled". All I've said is people shouldn't spread blatant lies.

And I'm going back to the point you don't like - then you are being hypocritical.

You: anti-vaxx mis-information really pisses you off.
Me/us: Government misinformation really pisses us off.

When the Government spreads misinformation, your position is always "we are learning, they are learning, it's probably incompetence, it's not intentional, therefore it's not lying."

You are defending the spreading of misinformation by entities you trust and you excuse and justify it. Throughout this thread are endless examples of said intentional misinformation.

You'd probably be taken more objectively if you also showed anger/disbelief over that misinformation. I find it far more sinister to have an agency like the CDC lie to the entire nation than a handful of people who oppose these vaccines making mistakes along the way. One has power, money, and wields tremendous influence over the media and social media, as witnessed by Twitter where the CDC and the FBI controlled Twitter, silenced doctors and scientists, and as a result people died.

People shouldn't be exploiting every single person around the globe who happens to die unexpectedly for their agenda. People shouldn't be exaggerating or distorting data to try and prove their points or making fake videos or claiming things that happened in 2019 happened recently. You have a right to say whatever you want and I have a right to point out when it's total bullshit.

Likewise, we point out the coordinated exploitation of the American people by our Government and agencies like the CDC. And this thread is full of us pointing out their bullshit.

As I've said many times before this is a sophisticated campaign that mixes kernels of truth with lies to intentionally deceive people.

Perhaps it is sophisticated. But in no way is it more sophisticated than the FBI, the WH, and the CDC controlling media talking points, running Twitter, and silencing voices. That is exposed uber-level sophistication.

I do know there are currently tons of people all over social media claiming that there was a fake Damar Hamlin at the Super Bowl and the real one is actually dead so that the NFL can protect Pfizer.

There are yep. I do not believe that was Damar at the game. I do not believe he is dead. We saw Michael Strahan interview him.

FYI I'm not getting into the reporting of covid deaths because I don't know all the facts.

But you will get into suspiciously dead athletes when you also don't have all the facts. Or reproduction effects or Ivermectin or any of a dozen other examples where you don't have all the facts. Again, hypocrisy.

I don't know who all is responsible for the reporting, what the guidelines were, how the data was collected, who interpreted it...if we were intentionally lied to whoever is responsible for that needs to be accountable. I don't know exactly who that is. I try not to speak on things I don't have all the facts about.

Much of that has been documented - who, the processes. FOIA information has shown much of this. Published in this thread. Accountability is indeed due. Florida is working on it. Lawsuits are pending. But the infuriating part is the Government is very rarely held accountable for their lies and deceit.

But I do know that a lot of people died from covid. I know 3 myself and my nurse practitioner friend witnessed dozens.

And I and many others in this thread personally know people who died after being vaccinated or were injured. My neighbor died 2 days later of a heart attack. My son had severe post-vax symptoms I've described. My sister got pericarditis and violently ill after her second Moderna. I could go on. As could you.

Accurate numbers are of course very important but inaccurate numbers don't indicate to me that covid was a benign illness.

No one argues it is benign. People did die. It just simply wasn't as deadly as they led us to believe. The response to the pandemic was astronomically wrong on so many levels and we'll be counting bodies for decades.

 

[oneforthebus]

So your argument can be summed up as "Lying is ok because they lied too".

Got it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Sheep! You fell for a deep fake. You’re pathetic.

https://www.newsweek.com/damar-hamlin-interview-ignites-covid-vaccine-theory-1781232

So you and Newsweek are suggesting the video was faked. OK. Here they both are.




Now, here is the full video interview....open the page and watch it: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/damar-hamlin-opens-remarkable-recovery-new-interview/story?id=97029951

The ChiefNerd Twitter video feed is 100% accurate. It happened AFTER the JenXperience Twitter video. In both, he paused and avoided an answer.

But in fact, the clip I posted is legit, and happened as depicted.

Strahan: “You’re 24…peak physical condition…can run circles around me right now…how did doctors describe what happened to you?”

Hamlin: [long pause, looks down] “Ummm…umm…that’s something I wanna stay away from.”

Back to school Floggy.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

So your argument can be summed up as "Lying is ok because they lied too".

Got it.

Nope. I want the facts. As I've said repeatedly, the truth lies in the middle somewhere. I want true investigations to happen. Selfishly. It won't be too long before I'm over 65 and will have to re-think the Covid vaccines. I'd like to make informed decisions. My Government is keeping me from doing so.

My rebuttal was to shed light on your one-sided approach to the discussion. You are ok with the Government et al deceiving us - which is highly proven. One only needs to see the Twitter files. But you make apologies for the Government et al and provide excuses for their deception, silencing professionals, and keeping data from us.

On the other hand you have no tolerance for the lies coming from what you call the "anti-vaxx" community.

Our perspectives are born of our personal experiences through the past 3 years.

 

[oneforthebus]

I am not ok with anyone deceiving us.

I just don't accept "proof" along the lines of "We audited several members of our anti-vax group and they all said VAERS lost their data."

 

[Troglodyte]

So you and Newsweek are suggesting the video was faked. OK. Here they both are.




Now, here is the full video interview....open the page and watch it: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/damar-hamlin-opens-remarkable-recovery-new-interview/story?id=97029951

The ChiefNerd Twitter video feed is 100% accurate. It happened AFTER the JenXperience Twitter video. In both, he paused and avoided an answer.

But in fact, the clip I posted is legit, and happened as depicted.

Strahan: “You’re 24…peak physical condition…can run circles around me right now…how did doctors describe what happened to you?”

Hamlin: [long pause, looks down] “Ummm…umm…that’s something I wanna stay away from.”

Back to school Floggy.

I watched it on national television on Super Bowl Sunday, idiot. Strahan asked him about standing up after the tackle. You’ve been willfully duped. Again.

 

[IndySteel]

. You have a right to say whatever you want and I have a right to point out when it's total bullshit.

.

in your opinion it’s bullshit. Your opinion is not fact.

 

[Iron95]

I watched it on national television on Super Bowl Sunday, idiot. Strahan asked him about standing up after the tackle. You’ve been willfully duped. Again.

Youve been duped Tim. It was all done with CG.

 

[Iron95]

Nope. I want the facts. As I've said repeatedly, the truth lies in the middle somewhere. I want true investigations to happen. Selfishly. It won't be too long before I'm over 65 and will have to re-think the Covid vaccines. I'd like to make informed decisions. My Government is keeping me from doing so.

My rebuttal was to shed light on your one-sided approach to the discussion. You are ok with the Government et al deceiving us - which is highly proven. One only needs to see the Twitter files. But you make apologies for the Government et al and provide excuses for their deception, silencing professionals, and keeping data from us.

On the other hand you have no tolerance for the lies coming from what you call the "anti-vaxx" community.

Our perspectives are born of our personal experiences through the past 3 years.

He has a point OFTB. You do seem a little biased.

 

[oneforthebus]

He has a point OFTB. You do seem a little biased.

Yes, I am biased towards legitimate scientists over people who spread vaccine misinformation. That's not to say no scientists are ever wrong or even not to say that no scientists have ever had bad intentions. But overall, I'll trust the majority of legitimate scientists and doctors over the fringe who spend their days making up lies.

 

[oneforthebus]

in your opinion it’s bullshit. Your opinion is not fact.

Some things are demonstrably, factually bullshit. Not anyone's opinion.

 

[Iron95]

Yes, I am biased towards legitimate scientists over people who spread vaccine misinformation. That's not to say no scientists are ever wrong or even not to say that no scientists have ever have bad intentions. But overall, I'll trust the majority of legitimate scientists and doctors over the fringe who spend their days making up lies.

I know that you want to believe that scientists work for the good of the people. They don't. They work for whoever is paying them. Take a good look at who is paying them. You have to know that our government has been lying to us for three years. That doesn't seem to bother you. But those of us who disagree are lying.

 

[oneforthebus]

I know that you want to believe that scientists work for the good of the people. They don't. They work for whoever is paying them. Take a good look at who is paying them. You have to know that our government has been lying to us for three years. That doesn't seem to bother you. But those of us who disagree are lying.

Science isn't perfect. Our government did a lot of things wrong. Of course that bothers me. I just don't believe there's a concerted effort to push vaccines that they KNOW are killing thousands of people. This is what you all believe. A pharma company that kills off all its customers isn't going to be around all that long. And why would the government want to keep knowingly, intentionally killing its own people? What would the possible motive be for that? It's ludicrous on its face. It defies logic that people actually believe this.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Yes, I am biased towards legitimate scientists over people who spread vaccine misinformation. That's not to say no scientists are ever wrong or even not to say that no scientists have ever had bad intentions. But overall, I'll trust the majority of legitimate scientists and doctors over the fringe who spend their days making up lies.

Seemingly over the last three years, the “legitimate” docs have lied, pressured, forced …….and were wrong

 

[Iron95]

Science isn't perfect. Our government did a lot of things wrong. Of course that bothers me. I just don't believe there's a concerted effort to push vaccines that they KNOW are killing thousands of people. This is what you all believe. A pharma company that kills off all its customers isn't going to be around all that long. And why would the government want to keep knowingly, intentionally killing its own people? What would the possible motive be for that? It's ludicrous on its face. It defies logic that people actually believe this.

Wouldn't it be great to produce a product that the government FORCES its population to use? Wouldn't it be great to not have to properly test your product because you know the gov will cover for you? Wouldn't it be great when your product doesn't work, to have the gov force people to use it again and again and tell them that this time it will work? Life is good for big pharma.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Big Pharma wants big cash, If a few people die along the way they don't care just collateral damage.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Yes, I am biased towards legitimate scientists over people who spread vaccine misinformation. That's not to say no scientists are ever wrong or even not to say that no scientists have ever had bad intentions. But overall, I'll trust the majority of legitimate scientists and doctors over the fringe who spend their days making up lies.

You're not implying that the "legitimate scientists" haven't spread vaccine misinformation over the last 3 years, are you?

Realizing that hindsight is 20/20, but there's a long list of things that have been proven not to be true. Now, were these "legitimate scientists" deliberately deceitful, probably not, but they certainly were working with limited information resulting in the facts that they claimed to be reporting turning out to be nothing more than biased opinions.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I watched it on national television on Super Bowl Sunday, idiot. Strahan asked him about standing up after the tackle. You’ve been willfully duped. Again.

Dude, I gave you the LINK to the ACTUAL video played on GMA. "Buh, buh, butt you watched it on teebeeeee" LOL

Go to 4:18 of the video from ABC: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/damar-hamlin-speaks-remarkable-recovery-97076258



Then go on and tell me that didn't happen exactly as the Twitter video I posted depicted.

LMAO you don't get out of this one. Lemme guess, you now gonna accuse ABC of editing the video?



Someone needs their eyes checked.