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Deebo not a Tomlin fan?

That offense is used league wide on virtually every down these days. Its how offenses work now. Gilbride went on after here to have a really good run at OC in New York… we just couldn’t grasp that he was ahead of his time
I get that he may have been ahead of his time scheme wise, but to do that with Korky was an abhorrent decision IMO. Not that Kordell was stupid mind you, but he was already trying to shed the "Slash" role and be more of a traditional passer, which he just wasn't a pocket QB, he struggled to read defenses and struggled to get on the same page as his receivers.
 
Deserving is a relative term. How do you qualify that? Matt Patricia or Josh McDaniels put in their time and deserve to be head coaches, just to name two since the Steelers just played the team they are most known for.. Thus far it hasn't gone too well. Patricia is back where he started and the Raiders are 0-2.
 
Deserving is a relative term. How do you qualify that? Matt Patricia or Josh McDaniels put in their time and deserve to be head coaches, just to name two since the Steelers just played the team they are most known for.. Thus far it hasn't gone too well. Patricia is back where he started and the Raiders are 0-2.
Being deserving does not guarantee success. But it does show you put in the necessary time to learn the ropes. And I really wouldn't have a problem hiring a relatively unknown commodity if we also were the type of organization that was willing to make changes at the head coaching position. The problem is we will ride out Tomlin until 2025 when his contract expires. And that is best case scenario.
 
Again, were you saying that in Feb 2009?
I said that was Cowhers super bowl. Just like super bowl XXXVII was mostly Tony Dungy's.
 
I said that was Cowhers super bowl. Just like super bowl XXXVII was mostly Tony Dungy's.
Bullshiit. Tomlin was the coach. That is a weak argument. Cowher didn't make the playoffs with that team his last year.

If you and I go fishing and I use your pole and catch a big fish, do you take credit for it?
 
Bullshiit. Tomlin was the coach. That is a weak argument. Cowher didn't make the playoffs with that team his last year.

If you and I go fishing and I use your pole and catch a big fish, do you take credit for it?
It was Cowhers team. IMO Tomlin is the black Barry Switzer. An average coach that walked into a super bowl caliber team.

PS that was the Roethlisberger motorcycle crash year. And I would say Cowher had checked out as a head coach. Moving on was fine but moving on with Tolmin has proved detrimental to the organization.
 
I said that was Cowhers super bowl. Just like super bowl XXXVII was mostly Tony Dungy's.
So instead of celebrating and enjoying the moment, you where running around saying "It's Cowher's Super Bowl."
 
It was Cowhers team. IMO Tomlin is the black Barry Switzer. An average coach that walked into a super bowl caliber team.
It does not matter. He was the damn coach, plain and simple.
 
Of course Dan was still there, he was technically still a face of the organization. But he was 70 years old and Art2 had been taking more and more duties until in 2003 when Dan ceded full day to day operations to him. At which time Dan did what his father did, met with players, coaches, staff, and all the personnel to enjoy the relationships he has made with the people there and assist his son when he asked. When Dan crashed his plane at Latrobe airport during the 2002 Training Camp, it is told that his wife gave him a earful that it’s time to start enjoying themselves with their grandchildren. Bouchette or Pruista even said Patricia had a frying pan in her hand when Dan arrived back from his crash (he was fine) to show how serious she was and for the scare he gave her. That is probably when the decision was put in motion.

As for how Cowher would have done with a franchise QB, this has been argued ad nauseam. Cowher’s never wanted a franchise QB, he had his QB with NOD, but unfortunately he took the money with the NYJ. Had he stayed, I’d contend Cowher probably would have made it back to the AFCC and have a better chance in a second SB. Cowher‘s offensive philosophy was the Perkins/Schottenheimer scheme of ball control rushing attack, with play action passing, win the game with defense. Since NOD left, Cowher had ample opportunities to get better than the Tomczak/Miller/Graham show before having some modicum of success with Kordell, until Cowher’s selection of OCs (Sherman, Gilbride) destroyed any hope with him being more than he was. He did later select Mularkey and then Whiz who used a insurance salesman/former journeyman to turn the offense into an aerial showcase first, then rushing attack to close out games. Then came Ben, who by the way, Cowher was not interested in selecting at first (Stacey Andrews was they player he wanted). It wasn’t until Dan who still sat in the War Room kept directing the discussion between Colbert and Cowher back to Ben, and passing up a QB (like he did with Marino haunted him) at such a high level pick may not be a smart decision for the future. The rest is history. Hell, even when Maddox got hurt and Ben started, Whiz kept him on a short leash - strict orders from Cowher so as to not deviate from the game plan. But he kept making great throws and had superb improv skills, that the leash had more slack by the time they were in the playoffs. So Cowher, was different, but had the same success as Tomlin has. Tomlin having Ben, makes no difference, because Chin didn’t think he needed a franchise QB. He DID think he needed a franchise RB and OL, and he routinely did get those players (Dawson, Bettis, Faneca, etc..) to facilitate his preferred offensive philosophy.
As your buddy would say Obviously you and I are not going to agree here. You’re a Art II and Tomlin advocate and I’m not. I think what Dan working with Cowher did far surpassed what the prodigal son has done. The mold was set in place for Art so he just needed to be the bearer of the flame, if you will. Geez! I’m starting to sound like.cool shades.
Also being 70 is nothing nowadays young man. So Dan being 70 back in what 2003 is not a big deal. I should know and I’m still working.
 
So was Barry Switzer. Is he a good NFL coach?
Yes he was. So is Tomlin. You cannot have the level of success they have had without being good.

Are they great, like a Noll or Lombardi or Gibbs? No. But they deserve credit for being the coach of the team when they won the Super Bowl. You know damn well many things go into a team winning a championship. Just because they were handed a team, in your opinion, guarantees nothing. It is a bad argument.
 
Yes he was. So is Tomlin. You cannot have the level of success they have had without being good.

Are they great, like a Noll or Lombardi or Gibbs? No. But they deserve credit for being the coach of the team when they won the Super Bowl. You know damn well many things go into a team winning a championship. Just because they were handed a team, in your opinion, guarantees nothing. It is a bad argument.
I guess I have a higher level of expectations from people in a position of power.
 
I guess I have a higher level of expectations from people in a position of power.
In every position there are good, there are bad, and then there are those that separate themselves to be considered great. Neither Tomlin or Switzer are great. But they are not bad, either. They are good coaches. Calling Tomlin a bad coach IMO weakens your position, because it isn't true. It is more of the over the top, almost pathological stuff with the guy.
 
Coaches certainly deserve credit for winning conference championships and Super Bowls. They also deserve blame for prolonged periods of being nothing more than average or slightly above. The latter describes Tomlin for the past decade+. I’m not sure that any other NFL coach has survived a similar tenure for anywhere near as long.
 
In every position there are good, there are bad, and then there are those that separate themselves to be considered great. Neither Tomlin or Switzer are great. But they are not bad, either. They are good coaches. Calling Tomlin a bad coach IMO weakens your position, because it isn't true. It is more of the over the top, almost pathological stuff with the guy.
The problem is that there is no definitive scale of "good coach" or "bad coach". It's subjective.

You think he's good. Others say he is great, or horrid, or not bad. No way to get all to agree since it's subjective.

We get your stance. You won't change the views of too many, just like no one here thinks they can change your view.
 
Coaches certainly deserve credit for winning conference championships and Super Bowls. They also deserve blame for prolonged periods of being nothing more than average or slightly above. The latter describes Tomlin for the past decade+. I’m not sure that any other NFL coach has survived a similar tenure for anywhere near as long.
I agree with that. I would have moved on from Tomlin. But he deserves credit for his successes as well.
 
The problem is that there is no definitive scale of "good coach" or "bad coach". It's subjective.

You think he's good. Others say he is great, or horrid, or not bad. No way to get all to agree since it's subjective.

We get your stance. You won't change the views of too many, just like no one here thinks they can change your view.
But I would have moved on from him. That's the whole point. I'm just not gonna say he won with some else's team, or whatever the latest talking point is.
 
But I would have moved on from him. That's the whole point. I'm just not gonna say he won with some else's team, or whatever the latest talking point is.
Fair enough, but that was not the point you started with.
 
So instead of celebrating and enjoying the moment, you where running around saying "It's Cowher's Super Bowl."
You can enjoy that narrow victory where our HOF QB and Cowher’s players overcame Tomlin…I sure did. Pretty sure nobody was running around saying “it’s Tomlin’s Super Bowl”

Was happy as hell for the team and realized where the credit was deserved most…the players and the folks who assembled that group of players.

What brilliant bits of coaching did Shades add to that victory? That’s right he made those great half time adjustments that really got us going on the second half, that definitely had Shades prints all over it 😂

Good thing Silverback and Ben were able to overcome the hurdles, without them
Overcoming those hurdles no way Shades still has a job here. A lot of really special all time great plays have to happen to win with Tomlin, that’s what I’ve seen during his time here.
 
I just hope we don't lose to the Clowns tonight. And if something works, we keep doing it. And if it doesn't, we don't stick to the plan. Tomlin and everyone involved.
 
Wait a minute. Who, outside of Pittsburgh, knew anything about James Harrison until Tomlin got to Pittsburgh? The most people knew about him was he was the guy who threw down that fan in Cleveland. It might not be too much of a stretch to say Harrison owes what his career became to Tomlin. I'd say he is being a little ungrateful.

This is also the same guy who most of you wouldn't have pissed on if he was on fire after he signed with the Patriots. I remember the board. You guys are like politicians...you hope most people forget.

Damn, you guys hate Tomlin so much you will grasp on to anything. It's almost pathological.
Dick LeBeau
 
Any questions?
Two trains are driving toward one another. The first train leaves Town A at 5am traveling at 60 miles per hour. The second train leaves Town B at 7am traveling at 70 miles per hour. the distance between Town A and Town B is 455 miles. What is the EXACT time that collision will occur?
 
You can enjoy that narrow victory where our HOF QB and Cowher’s players overcame Tomlin…I sure did. Pretty sure nobody was running around saying “it’s Tomlin’s Super Bowl”

Was happy as hell for the team and realized where the credit was deserved most…the players and the folks who assembled that group of players.

What brilliant bits of coaching did Shades add to that victory? That’s right he made those great half time adjustments that really got us going on the second half, that definitely had Shades prints all over it 😂

Good thing Silverback and Ben were able to overcome the hurdles, without them
Overcoming those hurdles no way Shades still has a job here. A lot of really special all time great plays have to happen to win with Tomlin, that’s what I’ve seen during his time here.
That whole paragraph is speculative. How do you know? How are you so sure that things Tomlin did during the year in places we can't see didn't help them get there?

I have been very consistent whenever this topic comes up. I would have fired Tomlin on the results I see. They haven't won anything lately. But that is it. The rest is all speculative nonsense. Here the latest is Deebo doesn't think he is a great coach. This from a guy who, it is not a stretch to say, owes what became of his career to Tomlin. My favorite is he won with Cowher teams. So the hell what? Would you rather he lost? It's stupid. He won, he deserves credit as the head coach. Pure and simple. That doesn't mean he should still have a job with the team now. I have never said that. It is the ridiculous, over the top speculative stuff I object to. It isn't necessary, and it sure as hell isn't goi=ng to change anyone's opinion because it can be challenged. But can you challenge the results? No. Keep it at that.
 
Dick LeBeau
Did or did not Harrison's career take off when Tomlin arrived? That is a simple, straight forward question to which the obvious answer is yes. He could be on the fringe of the HOF, not on the numbers he had prior to Tomlin, but since Tomlin. Was Dick LeBeau a major contributor to that? Absolutely. But it is a cheap shot on Harrison's part because it was Tomlin who put him in the starting lineup and OK'd the freedom for him to do the things he did. Or are we gonna argue in this case Tomlin had no control? I notice you guys pick and choose when he does and does not have control to suit your argument.
 
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