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Election Day 2020

But I do understand his appeal. I just also understand how he has turned many people off. It is possible to understand both.

You act like you're the only one who understands this. He turned me off, more than anything else, ever, when he criticized a POW of 5 years when his own lucky *** got 5 deferments. And I hated John McCain. And this was 5 years ago, before he proved to be such an effective U.S. President. You learn to deal with his difficult personality and weigh that against everything good he's done for this country, without being beholden to special interest money or foreign governments.

The Covid fear porn may have worn people down more than anything though. Even though 56% of people (during a damn pandemic, amidst shutdowns and people losing their livelihoods) said they were better off now than under Obama/Biden.
 
So is it pretty much the outcome of PA that will determine the winner?
 
Or maybe realize that in 2020 a lot of suburban women actually have jobs, don't like being called housewives and aren't askeered of black people moving into their neighborhoods. Just to name a few examples.

Wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to the exit poll, Trump did better in 2020 with every race and gender except white men.<br><br>Change from 2016:<br><br>White Men -5<br>White Women +2<br>Black Men +4<br>Black Women +4<br>Latino Men +3<br>Latino Women +3<br>Other +5 <a href="https://t.co/hUc17Iy1ip">pic.twitter.com/hUc17Iy1ip</a></p>— Matt Bruenig (@MattBruenig) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1323825846365396992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only group he actually lost voters in were white men. Imagine that.
 
You act like you're the only one who understands this. He turned me off, more than anything else, ever, when he criticized a POW of 5 years when his own lucky *** got 5 deferments. And I hated John McCain. And this was 5 years ago, before he proved to be such an effective U.S. President. You learn to deal with his difficult personality and weigh that against everything good he's done for this country, without being beholden to special interest money or foreign governments.

The Covid fear porn may have worn people down more than anything though. Even though 56% of people (during a damn pandemic, amidst shutdowns and people losing their livelihoods) said they were better off now than under Obama/Biden.

Where did I say I'm the only one who understands it?

Some of you seem to think I'm trying to convince you that the election results were correct and justified. I'm not. I'm trying to have a thoughtful balanced discussion of what happened here and why Trump lost. That includes trying to understand the perspectives of those who don't think like me or share my beliefs.. Perhaps that's not as interesting to any of you as it is to me. Perhaps the only welcome perspective here is "Trump is the best president we've ever had and has had the election stolen from him." If that's the case I'll bow out of the discussion.
 
Has anyone here taken their fraud allegations anywhere other than this message board? I can only speak for myself, but I’m in no position to do anything about it, possess no evidence of fraud etc. etc. If you know something’s up, and can prove it, now’s not the time to be sitting on your hands.

I will be calling my state reps in NC.......Some of the states that the fraud is happening in have Republican legislators, NC is one. And donating to a legitimate fund that is fighting this. My vote was disenfranchised because of fraud on a widespread basis.

I pray that the light of truth shines brightly and exposes the corruption for all to see, I pray for President Donald John Trump and thank God for blessing us with this great country and this great man. I pray that I see the truth in all of this, I pray for knowledge of what the next right thing to do is, and I pray for the power and the courage to do it.

This is a brazen, out in the open, theft of our constitutional republic by dark forces from within.

They tried every thing to oust this man, this is just the next assault. They think To hell with the deplorable boomer rube demo, they think that we are disposable. They think that we will just accept it, but this desperate tactic shows just how close they are to the brink. It is they who are losing the very war that they declared on us, they are losing their support from within. People of all ethnicities are walking away. They are finished and they know it.

Pray for the next right thing to do, I do not know what it is, but I will be praying daily for that knowledge, and then I will do it.
 
Wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to the exit poll, Trump did better in 2020 with every race and gender except white men.<br><br>Change from 2016:<br><br>White Men -5<br>White Women +2<br>Black Men +4<br>Black Women +4<br>Latino Men +3<br>Latino Women +3<br>Other +5 <a href="https://t.co/hUc17Iy1ip">pic.twitter.com/hUc17Iy1ip</a></p>— Matt Bruenig (@MattBruenig) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1323825846365396992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only group he actually lost voters in were white men. Imagine that.

Both of them gained voters in many categories because turnout overall was higher. Clinton won 54% of the female vote. Biden won 56% of the female vote. Women are a higher percentage of the electorate and also turn out at higher rates than men. You can't ignore what they think about you and hope to win.
 
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I believe Trump needs GA, NC, PA and AZ or NV

You may be correct, I just know Biden is close.

Incredibly AZ still has 450,000 votes to count, 300,000 of them from Maricopa County (Phoenix), which still gives Trump a glimmer of hope.
 
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Where did I say I'm the only one who understands it?

Some of you seem to think I'm trying to convince you that the election results were correct and justified. I'm not. I'm trying to have a thoughtful balanced discussion of what happened here and why Trump lost.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our lawyers just sent a criminal referral to AG Barr regarding at least 3,062 instances of voter fraud. We expect that number to grow substantially. Thousands of individuals have been identified who appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV.</p>— Nevada GOP (@NVGOP) <a href="https://twitter.com/NVGOP/status/1324508032730984449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will not stop exposing the fraud <br><br>More whistleblowers can contact Project Veritas VeritasTips@protonmail.com<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MailFraud?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MailFraud</a> <a href="https://t.co/vmiDvBvgTA">pic.twitter.com/vmiDvBvgTA</a></p>— Project Veritas (@Project_Veritas) <a href="https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1324540647181815809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/EricTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EricTrump</a>⁩ ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DonaldJTrumpJr</a>⁩ This woman has been doing this for an hour. I filmed it and another 3 minutes on my Facebook account. David Burstein. <a href="https://t.co/QLOVbuwEMn">pic.twitter.com/QLOVbuwEMn</a></p>— David Burstein (@theca13) <a href="https://twitter.com/theca13/status/1324537564410380288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

There are so many videos and other instances of voter fraud out there that I'm just not keeping track of all of them. And Trump has his haters (of which there are many), but just hear me out when I say this; think it's at all possible there's massive voter fraud in these key battleground states because Democrat operatives have peddled Russia collusion, gang rape allegations and other detestable things in the past and have had but a little slap on the wrist?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m just conjecturing, of course, but it seems that Dems have no fear of doing the most outrageous things because — wait for it — they rarely suffer the consequences.</p>— David Limbaugh (@DavidLimbaugh) <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidLimbaugh/status/1324447877737947140?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Biden only needs one of the 5 remaining states, Trump needs all of them.

Mostly true, he can lose Nevada and still win. He 100% needs the other 4.

He'll win 3, but lose PA. (Georgia will flip blue by a few thousand, then the Military vote will be counted and it'll flip back, they'll be a mandatory recount too)

What happens then is anyone's guess, but it seems most of the accustaions of election improprieties are being levelled at PA officials so wouldn't shock me to see this end up in the Supreme Court,
 
I'm not going to dig into the details of this or assume that he's right about the 14,000 number right now because I'm getting too tired, but Scott Adams seems to agree and he's a typically level-headed and smart dude:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See for yourself. <a href="https://t.co/ogBVlVNvWO">https://t.co/ogBVlVNvWO</a></p>— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1324558296548691969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

14k dead people voted in just 1 county alone? This needs some serious scrutiny/investigation.
 
I'm not going to dig into the details of this or assume that he's right about the 14,000 number right now because I'm getting too tired, but Scott Adams seems to agree and he's a typically level-headed and smart dude:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See for yourself. <a href="https://t.co/ogBVlVNvWO">https://t.co/ogBVlVNvWO</a></p>— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1324558296548691969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

14k dead people voted in just 1 county alone? This needs some serious scrutiny/investigation.

if you researched this you will see its fake. I picked 10 people all were on ballot list, but none voted. If you read the comments people only found a couple that voted which may be possible. Problem is people post so much fake stuff that it is going to become like the boy who cried wolf. Just like there is a viral video of a guy burning "Trump ballots", but they are not real ballots they lack the bar code and what not.
 
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You are not reading correctly. Wisconsin calculates turnout by voting age population not registered voters. So in 2016 there were about 2.9 million votes cast so you take 2,900,000 / (voting age population) = 67% turnout.
In 2020 3,300,000 / 4,536,293 (voting age population in 2019) = 73% Also a fun fact is "In 2016, for example, 12.7% of voters registered on Election Day, according to the Wisconsin Elections Commission"

Whew......

Forget how they may calculate "turn out." Forget that 12.6% of voters (that's VOTERS, not population) registered on voting day in 2016 (who by the way would be reflected in the 3.7 million CURRENT registered voters).

3,684,726 <---- that is the number of people REGISTERED to legally vote in the State of Wisconsin. Let's move away from that.


FACTS: 3.3 Million voted. Out of 3,684,726 REGISTERED voters. Considering just those numbers, pre-election day, that would mean 89.7% of REGISTERED voters (prior to the election) voted. OK you want to believe that. Got it...

Consider their POPULATION then. It is 5.8 million people.

Keeping it simple, assuming all 5.8 million people COULD vote....that's 56.9% of their population. But not everyone can vote.

From the US Census, 21.8% of Wisconsin's population is under 18 - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/WI

Wisconsin total population: 5,822,434
Those under 18 (21.8%): 1,269,291
Voting Age Population: 4,553,143

Now, what % of their population that is voting age voted? 3.3Million divided by 4,553,143 = 72.5%

If you look at just those POPULATION stats, the voter turnout indicates that 72.5% of their 18 and older population voted....and they don't have, nor has any state ever had, 100% eligible voters registered.

Forget same day voter registration...no state in the history of this country has ever had 72.5% of their VOTING AGE POPULATION vote. States are typically lucky if they can get close to 60% of their REGISTERED voters to vote. 72.5% of their eligible population voted???

Man if you are buying that's legit, I'm in sales and I want your #
 
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Whew......

Forget how they may calculate "turn out." Forget that 12.6% of voters (that's VOTERS, not population) registered on voting day in 2016 (who by the way would be reflected in the 3.7 million CURRENT registered voters).

3,684,726 <---- that is the number of people REGISTERED to legally vote in the State of Wisconsin. Let's move away from that.


FACTS: 3.3 Million voted. Out of 3,684,726 REGISTERED voters. Considering just those numbers, pre-election day, that would mean 89.7% of REGISTERED voters (prior to the election) voted. OK you want to believe that. Got it...

Consider their POPULATION then. It is 5.8 million people.

Keeping it simple, assuming all 5.8 million people COULD vote....that's 56.9% of their population. But not everyone can vote.

From the US Census, 21.8% of Wisconsin's population is under 18 - https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/WI

Wisconsin total population: 5,822,434
Those under 18 (21.8%): 1,269,291
Voting Age Population: 4,553,143

Now, what % of their population that is voting age voted? 3.3Million divided by 4,553,143 = 72.5%

If you look at just those POPULATION stats, the voter turnout indicates that 72.5% of their 18 and older population voted....and they don't have, nor has any state ever had, 100% eligible voters registered.

Forget same day voter registration...no state in the history of this country has ever had 72.5% of their VOTING AGE POPULATION vote. States are typically lucky if they can get close to 60% of their REGISTERED voters to vote. 72.5% of their eligible population voted???

Man if you are buying that's legit, I'm in sales and I want your #

Dude.....check out their past elections they are all close. Turnout has been high across the country so an extra couple hundred thousand is not out of question. Besides Trump himself received 200k more than in 2016, Biden got about 250k more, but one big difference is the lack of 3rd party candidates. In 2016 they took up about 180k worth of votes vs 45k this year. I am sorry if you can not believe that, but its par for the course in wisconsin. In 2012 over 3 mil votes....2008 about 2.9 mil votes......2004 almost 3 million votes......2000 about 2.6 million. I just dont know what else to say except I guess keep your tin foil hat on?
 
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if you researched this you will see its fake. I picked 10 people all were on ballot list, but none voted. If you read the comments people only found a couple that voted which may be possible

Dude, they found tons....you should spend more time scrolling.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Georgia Thompson 1914 48240, ballot received 10/08/2020 <a href="https://t.co/U6ACL2SFmo">pic.twitter.com/U6ACL2SFmo</a></p>— ���� Salvarad ���� (@Salvarad831) <a href="https://twitter.com/Salvarad831/status/1324569286308884480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">#37 John Sinke born 1919 has sent his vote on the 29 September :) <a href="https://t.co/adsIGYMKHz">pic.twitter.com/adsIGYMKHz</a></p>— jw (@Jeshness) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jeshness/status/1324563529534373888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Found a new one. ADOLPH,JOSWIAK,1920,48092. Birth month: February. <a href="https://t.co/2nrzp0bp8h">pic.twitter.com/2nrzp0bp8h</a></p>— Markus Gold�� (@msg768) <a href="https://twitter.com/msg768/status/1324581443280928768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Catherine Wood, 1920, 48444, August<br><br>Line 451 <a href="https://t.co/tGr9nNrdBI">pic.twitter.com/tGr9nNrdBI</a></p>— U. S. Patriotic Persistence (@TPJhawk) <a href="https://twitter.com/TPJhawk/status/1324565843691360256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I checked 5 and found 3 that voted<br><br>#3109 - WILBUR,BRANDLI,1917,49099 DEC <br>#3907 - ONA,BELT,1919,48505 OCT<br>#5489 - HELEN,DASZKIEWICZ,1920,48126 JAN</p>— Silas Sage (@silasJsage) <a href="https://twitter.com/silasJsage/status/1324567354672508928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Dude.....check out their past elections they are all close. Turnout has been high across the country so an extra couple hundred thousand is not out of question. Besides Trump himself received 200k more than in 2016, Biden got about 250k more, but one big difference is the lack of 3rd party candidates. In 2016 they took up about 180k worth of votes vs 45k this year. I am sorry if you can not believe that, but its par for the course in wisconsin. In 2012 over 3 mil votes....2008 about 2.9 mil votes......2004 almost 3 million votes......2000 about 2.6 million. I just dont know what else to say except I guess keep your tin foil hat on?

3rd party candidates have no impact on the total # of voters that show up. None. Voters are voters. Who they vote for has no bearing on that absolute number of voters.
 
3rd party candidates have no impact on the total # of voters that show up. None. Voters are voters. Who they vote for has no bearing on that absolute number of voters.

I did list total # of votes not sure what your point is? My point was Biden or Trump benefited from the lack of 3rd party candidates, but overall turnout was record breaking across the country.
 
Nonsense? Are you being intentionally ignorant, or are you so deep down the rabbit hole that you have no connection with reality?

(D)ims, the party of lying thieves and thieving liars, focused their bile on five states Trump carried in 2016 that also had Senate implications. Five. Not fifty, not twenty, not ten - five: Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina and Georgia.

Those five - say it with me, FIVE - states determine the Presidency AND control of the Senate with razor-thin margins for Senate races McSalley vs. Corrupt Liar, Tillison/Corrupt Liar, James/Corrupt Liar, Perdue/Corrupt Pajama Boy Liar, and Collins or Loeffler/Corrupt Liar. (D)ims being dim they of course also spent about $100 billion dollars - I know, right, that ******* party is soooo concerned about money corrupting politics unless of course it's Silicon Valley money corrupting them but no worries they are so ******* corrupt that corruption actually removes some of the smell of dead voters from them - on races they had no chance in, but no problem. They have plenty of lies, corruption and money to spread around.

So let's take a little peek, shall we, at a couple of those places and races.

Michigan: Stop counting votes with Trump and James with huge leads, votes appear 4:00 a.m., all of them for Biden and some fat white guy but that's okay cuz he's a (D)im, WHOOPEE! Biden and fat guy win!!

Voter turnout in Michigan? Lessee here. First, the state's population per the Secretary of State as of April 1, 2020:

9,884,116

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/MI

Percent under 18? 21.5%, giving us a voting population of 7,759,031.

That's not the number of registered voters, mind you, but the TOTAL number of living individuals who COULD register. So the actual voter registration:

8,127,804

https://mvic.sos.state.mi.us/VoterCount

Huh ... look at that. The state has MORE REGISTERED VOTERS THAN PEOPLE ALLOWED TO VOTE, and not by a small margin but by a lot, 500,000. So voter registration in the great state of Michigan is 105%. Impressive. And your response:

iu


Mmkay, how about the lovely state of Wisconsin, which Covid Joe carried by a staggering 20,000 votes?

Registered voters: 3,684,726

https://elections.wi.gov/node/7220

Votes cast in Wisconsin: 3,297,420

https://abc30.com/2020-election-wisconsin-results-vote-wi-voting/7459122/

89.5% voter turnout. Repeat, 89.5%

But I mean Wisconsin always gets 80% turnout, right? Yeah, no. Previous all-time high was 1960 - a very contested race - and 73%.

So somehow 89.5% of all registered voters, tens of thousands with same-day registration, turn out and your response?

iu


So of course the voting in Michigan is solid, no evidence of illegal voting, fraud. None. Other than the fact that there are 500,000 more registered voters than PEOPLE WHO CAN ******* VOTE, right? Yeah, not so much:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ANOTHER ANOTHER ONE: Apparently Donna Brydges (born in 1901) voted via absentee ballot in Mason County, Michigan. That would make her 119 years old!<br><br>More <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/deadvoters?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#deadvoters</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stopthesteal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stopthesteal</a> <a href="https://t.co/fZN3vffXci">https://t.co/fZN3vffXci</a> <a href="https://t.co/Sk6j50BpHp">pic.twitter.com/Sk6j50BpHp</a></p>— Essential Fleccas 🇺🇸 (@fleccas) <a href="https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324243089909833728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ANOTHER ONE: Apparently June Aiken (born in 1900) voted via absentee ballot in Jackson County, Michigan. That would make them 120 years old! <br><br>Born in 1900!! <a href="https://t.co/Pt6g0PpljJ">https://t.co/Pt6g0PpljJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/BPOXsLXIRy">pic.twitter.com/BPOXsLXIRy</a></p>— Essential Fleccas 🇺🇸 (@fleccas) <a href="https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324237476186202113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turns out 118 year old “William Bradley” voted via absentee ballot in Wayne County, Michigan. William Bradley died in 1984. <br><br>How long has this been going on? <br><br>Try it for yourself: <a href="https://t.co/UWupRTi0Rw">https://t.co/UWupRTi0Rw</a> <a href="https://t.co/aOLSe1DXJo">pic.twitter.com/aOLSe1DXJo</a></p>— Essential Fleccas 🇺🇸 (@fleccas) <a href="https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324216584219623424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Donna Brydges (age 119), June Aiken (age 120), William Bradley (age 118) all voted. Ho-lee ****, I better move to Michigan, apparently you never die there. Only as to voting, I mean, but hell, being alive on election day beats the hell out of being dead all the time.

So more registered voters than eligible voters, dead people voting, 89.5% turnout (basically impossible since a percentage of registered voters die, move, etc. ... see Michigan), ballots turning up at 4:00 a.m. with 100% Biden votes, James being robbed of a huge vote lead by the 4:00 a.m. ballots and dead voters. And your response?

iu

I'm familiar with all the conspiratorial crap.

You guys are being as bad of sore losers as the Democrats were in 2016, but in different ways.

Trump lost because Biden won back the blue collar Democrats that Clinton lost in the north and there was a surge in hispanic voters in Arizona and black voters in Georgia. That's it.

The bottom line is that there are consequences to being a blatantly dishonest, ignorant, race-baiting ******* for four years, and Trump is finding that out.
 
In Silas post he said 3/5 were found to have voted, but if you look at the comments 2 of those were verified to be alive, but 3rd could not be confirmed either way. As for the other ones you posted, a received ballot does not mean your vote was accepted, but it means someone did try to use that ballot. Out of 14k people I do not see them finding a ton....I uploaded a CSV file that someone posted, but it was from NC and the file was massive there were over 5 million rows in excel. Anyways it listed peoples ages, addresses, voting status, etc etc........I sorted it by voting age and the first guy listed was listed as 267 years old. If you google the address listed for him, his name comes up as a resident, but he is only 37. Several are listed as 120 yrs old, but i didnt dig anymore it is late and I feel it will be a fruitless exercise anyways...
 
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