Fire Tomlin

[FAB802]

When none of your assistants ever go anywhere after being your assistants, that's all you need to know. His coaching tree is less than a twig. Other than the ones he initially had to keep.

As for nobody better out there? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Problem is, whoever they may get has to get the keys, it's not happening. Coach quotebook is cool with collecting a check win or lose. He's right about as much as a local weatherman. Sadly, he is owed way too much money and the Steelers don't operate that way. Whether it's the right thing to do or not.

 

[Ye Black Knight]

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[Coryea]

This isn’t week 1. This is the playoffs and these guys still mess up plays regularly

WTF, that may be the first time I've ever seen an Oline run the fire X

 

[topseed]

The two instances of Tomlin game mismanagement which stuck out to me the most:

1) Not going for it on 4th-and-2...inches. You have to move the chains and keep your offense on the field. And more importantly, keep the Ravens' offense off of it. There was no thought, no consideration, even. The punt team was on its way out there almost immediately. They literally needed TWO INCHES. The white flag was waved; the game was essentially over at that moment.

2) Calling a timeout with the Ravens running the ball and the clock moving with 1:08 left in the first half. They are on their own 17, 3rd-and-3. They are basically saying they are content with going into halftime up 14-0. Given the complete domination at that point, why would you allow Baltimore the opportunity to convert yet another 3rd down, and give them enough time to march down the field and score the knockout punch? As poorly as the Steelers had played, Tomlin should have been ecstatic to go into halftime trailing by just two scores.

It is just a never-ending parade of ineptitude. A sad game to watch, but not a surprise.

 

[TDX27]

Read an interesting take on this on ESPN. The one pundit was asked if players under or over performed with Tomlin. His take was that Tomlin teams over perform. Tomlin gets more out of his teams than other coaches do or can. His reasoning was to look at the players that have left the team for greener pastures. The overwhelming majority have not performed as well elsewhere. Sure, there have been a few but most have played worse for their new teams. Some don't even end up staying in the league.

I guess I can agree with that to a point but this team has still had plenty enough time to get him better players or non-diva players. His teams do well during the regular season and then have gotten blown out 6 post-seasons in a row. They just were not ready and have been destroyed on both sides of the ball in the 1st quarter of each game.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Read an interesting take on this on ESPN. The one pundit was asked if players under or over performed with Tomlin. His take was that Tomlin teams over perform. Tomlin gets more out of his teams than other coaches do or can. His reasoning was to look at the players that have left the team for greener pastures. The overwhelming majority have not performed as well elsewhere. Sure, there have been a few but most have played worse for their new teams. Some don't even end up staying in the league.

I guess I can agree with that to a point but this team has still had plenty enough time to get him better players or non-diva players. His teams do well during the regular season and then have gotten blown out 6 post-seasons in a row. They just were not ready and have been destroyed on both sides of the ball in the 1st quarter of each game.

I suggest DK Sports Daily Shot for this morning (YouTube DK Sports and you’ll find it). He talks of the ineptitude of the coaching, from the top HC down.

These guys are never going to be ready for up-level competition such as the playoffs.


Salute the nation

 

[Coryea]

Read an interesting take on this on ESPN. The one pundit was asked if players under or over performed with Tomlin. His take was that Tomlin teams over perform. Tomlin gets more out of his teams than other coaches do or can. His reasoning was to look at the players that have left the team for greener pastures. The overwhelming majority have not performed as well elsewhere. Sure, there have been a few but most have played worse for their new teams. Some don't even end up staying in the league.

I guess I can agree with that to a point but this team has still had plenty enough time to get him better players or non-diva players. His teams do well during the regular season and then have gotten blown out 6 post-seasons in a row. They just were not ready and have been destroyed on both sides of the ball in the 1st quarter of each game.

did they give examples of which players they speak of? Did they talk about hargrave? Dotson going onto start on a playoff team. Let me guess most of them were WR's?

 

[Sarge]

But still good to see the mainstream media FINALLY say. Hey there is something not right here.

And then in the next breath, they are pretty much absolving Tomlin of having any responsibility for all the teams' problems, and blaming pretty much anything else. This morning on Unsportsmanlike, they were all pretty much saying that Mike Tomlin should move on so that he can win a lot more championships because the organization isn't giving him what he needs to do it in Pittsburgh. I can agree with that to a degree. What I'd really like to know is how much say he has in personnel decisions rather than fan speculation.

 

[TDX27]

did they give examples of which players they speak of? Did they talk about hargrave? Dotson going onto start on a playoff team. Let me guess most of them were WR's?

Not all WR'S but you can't ignore how many WR's there were and the diva's he dealt with. I do remember him mentioning Dupree who made his money on the back of Watt.

 

[Coryea]

Not all WR'S but you can't ignore how many WR's there were and the diva's he dealt with. I do remember him mentioning Dupree who made his money on the back of Watt.

The WR's were due to Ben, not Tomlin. Look at AB HERE with Tomlin in games without Ben, he averaged something like 4 catches for 37 yards without Ben while here.

 

[steelhurt]

Mike Tomlin moving on to another organization would not win a championships. He fell into a pot of gold here, the perfect situation when he was hired here in 2007.
Once those players were gone, coordinators,position coaches gone, it was his baby and his alone.
From 2011 to the present he has had multiple opportunities to build and rebuild his teams but the best has been nine, ten win seasons, making the playoffs on occasion only to be eliminated early and embarrassed the last five playoff games.
Tomlin has a lot of autonomy within this organization…. Hires his coordinators, position coaches, controls who stays who goes in free agency, controls the draft.
Runs the defense, heavy influence on offense.
The guy is a micromanager with his hands in everything so this is and has been his baby for many seasons.
The man simply cannot and refuses to get out of his own way. Rather than surround himself with the best and most qualified he surrounds himself with yes men. Coaches that will not challenge him but only tell him what he wants to hear.
The organization is stuck in mediocrity and that’s the best we as fans can hope for.
Ask yourselves this question and be honest with yourselves.
Do you at this juncture have any confidence that Mike Tomlin can build a championship caliber team in Pittsburgh?
Do you have any confidence that this owner can or will recognize that this is simply not working and it’s time to move on? Not just now but this time next year when most likely the same or worse results?
This organization is broken and broken badly. Starts with the owner who refuses to recognize there is a major problem and then goes to the GM who made some brutal mistakes last off season, down to the stubborn, arrogant HC that can’t get out of his own way.

 

[Coryea]

Mike Tomlin moving on to another organization would not win a championships. He fell into a pot of gold here, the perfect situation when he was hired here in 2007.
Once those players were gone, coordinators,position coaches gone, it was his baby and his alone.
From 2011 to the present he has had multiple opportunities to build and rebuild his teams but the best has been nine, ten win seasons, making the playoffs on occasion only to be eliminated early and embarrassed the last five playoff games.
Tomlin has a lot of autonomy within this organization…. Hires his coordinators, position coaches, controls who stays who goes in free agency, controls the draft.
Runs the defense, heavy influence on offense.
The guy is a micromanager with his hands in everything so this is and has been his baby for many seasons.
The man simply cannot and refuses to get out of his own way. Rather than surround himself with the best and most qualified he surrounds himself with yes men. Coaches that will not challenge him but only tell him what he wants to hear.
The organization is stuck in mediocrity and that’s the best we as fans can hope for.
Ask yourselves this question and be honest with yourselves.
Do you at this juncture have any confidence that Mike Tomlin can build a championship caliber team in Pittsburgh?
Do you have any confidence that this owner can or will recognize that this is simply not working and it’s time to move on? Not just now but this time next year when most likely the same or worse results?
This organization is broken and broken badly. Starts with the owner who refuses to recognize there is a major problem and then goes to the GM who made some brutal mistakes last off season, down to the stubborn, arrogant HC that can’t get out of his own way.

This is exactly correct, Tomlin isn't a great coach, he was hired into a HOF DC, with a great roster and team culture, and a legit offensive mind and a HOF QB. He's had about 12-13 years to rebuild this team since most of those Cowher guys left (retired) and he hasn't done it. Cowher turned over the roster he took over from Noll pretty quickly, it was alot of his guys playing in the Super Bowl vs Dallas, then Cowher rebuilt that roster against for the early 2000 runs.

 

[xjx]

Rooney sealed the teams fate with the contract extension last year. We are stuck with Tomlin. Looking at it now ot looks like a real bad deal. But Rooney is a business man.

 

[TDX27]

Ben made Tomlin just as Marsha made Belicheat. Belicheat was still a much better coach than Tomlin but without Marsha, they don't win the SB's.

 

[SteelerSask2]

And then in the next breath, they are pretty much absolving Tomlin of having any responsibility for all the teams' problems, and blaming pretty much anything else. This morning on Unsportsmanlike, they were all pretty much saying that Mike Tomlin should move on so that he can win a lot more championships because the organization isn't giving him what he needs to do it in Pittsburgh. I can agree with that to a degree. What I'd really like to know is how much say he has in personnel decisions rather than fan speculation.

What tge organization needs to do is hand him his dismysal papers.

 

[BLITZ]

I suggest DK Sports Daily Shot for this morning (YouTube DK Sports and you’ll find it). He talks of the ineptitude of the coaching, from the top HC down.

These guys are never going to be ready for up-level competition such as the playoffs.


Salute the nation

good listen ty

 

[BLITZ]

I suggest DK Sports Daily Shot for this morning (YouTube DK Sports and you’ll find it). He talks of the ineptitude of the coaching, from the top HC down.

These guys are never going to be ready for up-level competition such as the playoffs.


Salute the nation

Maurice Pouncey the defacto Oliine coach? I had not heard that before.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Maurice Pouncey the defacto Oliine coach? I had not heard that before.

It really puts it into perspective as to why the team seems ill prepared.

DK is spilling the beans, he’s been there and seen it himself. He also said he has many other examples.

Talk about no back bone chain of command, there will be nothing as far as post season success as long as
Coach Tomlin / Art 2 are in charge.


Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

It really puts it into perspective as to why the team seems ill prepared.

DK is spilling the beans, he’s been there and seen it himself. He also said he has many other examples.

Talk about no back bone chain of command, there will be nothing as far as post season success as long as
Coach Tomlin / Art 2 are in charge.


Salute the nation

Irony is both Tomlin and Art the second live in their fears. Ironic and extremely sad at the same time.

 

[topseed]

And then in the next breath, they are pretty much absolving Tomlin of having any responsibility for all the teams' problems, and blaming pretty much anything else. This morning on Unsportsmanlike, they were all pretty much saying that Mike Tomlin should move on so that he can win a lot more championships because the organization isn't giving him what he needs to do it in Pittsburgh. I can agree with that to a degree. What I'd really like to know is how much say he has in personnel decisions rather than fan speculation.

I'd really like to see how Tomlin would do with another team. Not only for my own selfish reasons, but just the curiosity to see what kind of results he might produce elsewhere.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

It really puts it into perspective as to why the team seems ill prepared.

DK is spilling the beans, he’s been there and seen it himself. He also said he has many other examples.

Talk about no back bone chain of command, there will be nothing as far as post season success as long as
Coach Tomlin / Art 2 are in charge.


Salute the nation

Robinson being in charge of disciplining receivers because the receivers coach couldn’t do it

DK’s video this morning was incredibly damning

It feels like Rooney is just giving the fans the middle finger by extending him last year and going out of his way to make it known Tomlin stays less than 24 hours after that debacle

 

[MT~Forged]

Robinson being in charge of disciplining receivers because the receivers coach couldn’t do it

DK’s video this morning was incredibly damning

It feels like Rooney is just giving the fans the middle finger by extending him last year and going out of his way to make it known Tomlin stays less than 24 hours after that debacle

They immediately said Canada was staying too, not long before he was fired.

I don’t look for anything more than rearranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic. There will be a couple firings used as lip service, while Art the Dookie drags his feet on deciding what if anything to do about Tomlin. If he eventually decides to move on from Tomlin, all the better candidates will already have new jobs, so he will keep Tomlin.

 

[Baltimore Bob]

Honestly, after 8 years and now at least 9 without a playoff win. Is it time to move on?

You don’t have a Tomlin problem. You have a Rooney problem. That family has become far too wealthy and complacent.

The Rooneys shouldn’t move on from Mike … Mike should move on from the Rooneys.

 

[Lloyd]

I'd really like to see how Tomlin would do with another team. Not only for my own selfish reasons, but just the curiosity to see what kind of results he might produce elsewhere.

Just barley a .500 team, never advance in the playoffs, same a here.

 

[Lloyd]

Ben made Tomlin just as Marsha made Belicheat. Belicheat was still a much better coach than Tomlin but without Marsha, they don't win the SB's.

No news there. Brady was the straw the stirred that drink.