FordFairLane’s 2022 BigBoard

[FordFairLane]

I wouldn’t count out a QB being drafted but my guess is not in round one anymore. If they feel good about Trubisky and Rudolph and to a lesser extent Haskins probably not at all.

I wasn’t surprised they went to Pitts proday. Being local and all. They typically go big time programs too. But if they make it to UNC or Liberty I’d say they are still looking and not sold on anyone on the team. Cincinnati would be a guess because there’s enough players to make it worth the trip regardless of their interest in Ridder

 

[SteelerFan448]

I wouldn’t count out a QB being drafted but my guess is not in round one anymore. If they feel good about Trubisky and Rudolph and to a lesser extent Haskins probably not at all.

I wasn’t surprised they went to Pitts proday. Being local and all. They typically go big time programs too. But if they make it to UNC or Liberty I’d say they are still looking and not sold on anyone on the team. Cincinnati would be a guess because there’s enough players to make it worth the trip regardless of their interest in Ridder

They sent the house to Liberty's and Pitt's pro days. I hope they scale back for UNC.

 

[FordFairLane]

They sent the house to Liberty's and Pitt's pro days. I hope they scale back for UNC.

Hopefully it’s smoke and mirrors

 

[SteelerFan448]

Hopefully it’s smoke and mirrors

If it is they would have changed their strategy. They never really hide who they like. Revis and Harris are classic examples.

 

[madinsomniac]

Look, until Ben’s permanent replacement is found for sure, they sure as hell better vet every top rated qb thoroughly, and when they do inevitably get a guy in, don’t stop to develop one before grabbing another… stock up on a couple because even with a backup vet you want three guys with potential and if one is the guy and the other looks good too, you can usually trade him for a good return… so if they were to get say Ridder in the second, dont stop looking next year …, if a guy who looks franchisey is available then get him too… that is never a position to take chances with…

 

[Drink IRON City]

Look, until Ben’s permanent replacement is found for sure, they sure as hell better vet every top rated qb thoroughly, and when they do inevitably get a guy in, don’t stop to develop one before grabbing another… stock up on a couple because even with a backup vet you want three guys with potential and if one is the guy and the other looks good too, you can usually trade him for a good return… so if they were to get say Ridder in the second, dont stop looking next year …, if a guy who looks franchisey is available then get him too… that is never a position to take chances with…

Good post but unfortunately this trane of thought doesn't fall into the current coaching staff.

Your idea is PRO-action and out current staff is RE-action.

2 years ago one could see Rudy doesn't have that "it" factor and yet they waited till BEN was gone to start looking.



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[diver]

Good post but unfortunately this trane of thought doesn't fall into the current coaching staff.

Your idea is PRO-action and out current staff is RE-action.

2 years ago one could see Rudy doesn't have that "it" factor and yet they waited till BEN was gone to start looking.



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Aw, horseshit. If they would drafted a guy so many would have been bitching and griping about wasting a pick at QB. Why not strengthen out the team for Ben's last few years. Look at the nashing of teeth when they drafted Rudy in the 3rd round.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Aw, horseshit. If they would drafted a guy so many would have been bitching and griping about wasting a pick at QB. Why not strengthen out the team for Ben's last few years. Look at the nashing of teeth when they drafted Rudy in the 3rd round.

You are partly right but the nashing of teeth here has little to do with what the STEELERS organization does. Rudy was not and is not the franchise answer. It would have beeen better had they made more effort to find a higher end QB.

Toimlin has been known to let players dictate his actions and if BEN was dictating it's just another example of average coaching. The head Coach should be guiding the ship not the other way around.

Yes, the star player should have some input but to sit there and let "star" player expire before suddenly putting in the effort is RE-activ not PRO-active and that's what this coaching staff seems to be best at.




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[Coach]

I’ve watched a little Linderbaum. Here’s the cliff notes out of the two games I’ve watched. Movement skills are elite. Probably better than Pouncey in his prime. He is mean, nasty, hard nosed. Technique is phenomenal. And that technique is the only reason he’s been able to hold his own against big nose tackles in college. But I need to see him vs some elite NFL caliber DT’s. I fear he’s going to struggle in the same manner (not nearly as badly though) as Green has. I don’t think he’s even close to Creed Humphrey in comparison. I thought Creed was a first with a possibility of falling to round two. I am going to guess Linderbaum will end up being a solid third round pick on my board. Perhaps late second if there’s some good tape of him vs a stud 6-5 325lb+ DT out there and he shows he held his own.

I disagree. He's quick, the first man to his block, and had no issues moving people or holding his own in pass protection That's not going to chage in the NFL. Will it make your feel better if he adds 10 pounds? I'd take him @ pick #20. He's the best center prospect in a while.

 

[madinsomniac]

Due to hobbs leaving and the horrible situation with Haskins death, id say that regardless if they draft a qb at the top of the draft, they absolutely should take a seventh round flyer on one of the developmental guys now

There are a couple with really high upsides that also are probably going to be udfas if we don’t draft them…

Haskins really was our developmental boom or bust project… we can afford to stash a guy on the PS until we find a true franchise guy…

 

[FordFairLane]

I disagree. He's quick, the first man to his block, and had no issues moving people or holding his own in pass protection That's not going to chage in the NFL. Will it make your feel better if he adds 10 pounds? I'd take him @ pick #20. He's the best center prospect in a while.

It would make me feel better if his arms grew 3”+. I watched more tape and I don’t want him in the first at all. Probably not at all after our off-season moves. He rarely was tasked with being singled up on a DT. And when he was he struggled a lot. He is phenomenal when he doubles up for a combo block. But if I’m the defensive coordinator I’m going to put my 6-5 325lb+ DT right on top of the ball and have him push Linderbaum back.

 

[CoolieMan]

It would make me feel better if his arms grew 3”+. I watched more tape and I don’t want him in the first at all. Probably not at all after our off-season moves. He rarely was tasked with being singled up on a DT. And when he was he struggled a lot. He is phenomenal when he doubles up for a combo block. But if I’m the defensive coordinator I’m going to put my 6-5 325lb+ DT right on top of the ball and have him push Linderbaum back.

I know he is not a high draft prospect and most likely will be around for UDFA, but could you watch some tape on Kody Russey out of UH. I posted about him in my pimping cougar pro day thread.


with the guys they signed and the ones already on the team I don't think I would go C in this drat

 

[slashsteel]

I disagree. He's quick, the first man to his block, and had no issues moving people or holding his own in pass protection That's not going to chage in the NFL. Will it make your feel better if he adds 10 pounds? I'd take him @ pick #20. He's the best center prospect in a while.

Thing is center is no longer a need. They picked up two guys capable of playing the position well. If a RT, WR, DLineman, CB is there at equal value and one should be, you go that route.

 

[Coach]

Thing is center is no longer a need. They picked up two guys capable of playing the position well. If a RT, WR, DLineman, CB is there at equal value and one should be, you go that route.

I don't want to settle for capable. The Steelers gave Chuks 30 million at right tackle. As such cross RT off the list early. We don't evaluate DB's well. Tomlin used to be a DB's coach by the way. Personally I think we over bid for Chucks. I should have let him walk and pick up a 4th round comp pick for him or sign him for cheaper. He's not a rebuilding type of tackle in ability or the cap space it took the Steelers to retain him.

DL is another story. Do you want a run stuffer that is 2 down type of player? Which player were your thinking of out of curiosity? As for WR, we are better off picking them in round two or three. That strategy works just fine, as has worked in the past.

 

[slashsteel]

I don't want to settle for capable. The Steelers gave Chuks 30 million at right tackle. As such cross RT off the list early. We don't evaluate DB's well. Tomlin used to be a DB's coach by the way. Personally I think we over bid for Chucks. I should have let him walk and pick up a 4th round comp pick for him or sign him for cheaper. He's not a rebuilding type of tackle in ability or the cap space it took the Steelers to retain him.

DL is another story. Do you want a run stuffer that is 2 down type of player? Which player were your thinking of out of curiosity? As for WR, we are better off picking them in round two or three. That strategy works just fine, as has worked in the past.

Chucks has been explained to you so not rehashing it but they didn't overpay for him. They can cut ties if they aren't liking his progress this year .. as for this year he isn't costing a lot. Davis isn't necessarily a two down player. I know the concerns there. That talent level is high. I think he can three down stay on the field after an offseason or two. He will probably be off the board anyways.

Cooch always clinging to whatever cockamamie story he invents. Hence you should understand now why the term dingleberry is fitting.

 

[CoolieMan]

BPA should be the choice at #20.

That said interior OL would have to be way higher than the next position to be selected.

a nice big fast wideout or a stud DL like Logan Hall.....or a big run stuffing DT maybe a Safety.....they should hold off until the 3rd to get Jones at CB

 

[FordFairLane]

I know he is not a high draft prospect and most likely will be around for UDFA, but could you watch some tape on Kody Russey out of UH. I posted about him in my pimping cougar pro day thread.


with the guys they signed and the ones already on the team I don't think I would go C in this drat

I saw a little of him playing. Reminds me a little of BJ Finney. He in my opinion is a priority free agent. That said we have a couple 7th round picks so if he’s a guy you want and aren’t sure will sign after the draft then certainly take him.

 

[Coach]

Chucks has been explained to you so not rehashing it but they didn't overpay for him. They can cut ties if they aren't liking his progress this year .. as for this year he isn't costing a lot. Davis isn't necessarily a two down player. I know the concerns there. That talent level is high. I think he can three down stay on the field after an offseason or two. He will probably be off the board anyways.

Cooch always clinging to whatever cockamamie story he invents. Hence you should understand now why the term dingleberry is fitting.

The way the NFL is he at 60% at best ( 2 down player). He's not a pass rusher at all and will be taken off the field for obvious passing downs. However he can be an effective run stuffer, and we need that badly. A player who keeps the others off ILB's ( who struggle shed a block ), is a need DT.NT.

The Chucks signing means tackle is off the board, at least in round one. You know it and so do I.

It's time you stop with the Cooch and dingleberry act. How old are you? Just asking.

 

[CoolieMan]

The way the NFL is he at 60% at best ( 2 down player). He's not a pass rusher at all and will be taken off the field for obvious passing downs. However he can be an effective run stuffer, and we need that badly. A player who keeps the others off ILB's ( who struggle shed a block ), is a need DT.NT.

The Chucks signing means tackle is off the board, at least in round one. You know it and so do I.

It's time you stop with the Cooch and dingleberry act. How old are you? Just asking.

so would Davis be a pick at a need position? seems to fill the run stuffer / keep blockers off the LB role

 

[slashsteel]

The way the NFL is he at 60% at best ( 2 down player). He's not a pass rusher at all and will be taken off the field for obvious passing downs. However he can be an effective run stuffer, and we need that badly. A player who keeps the others off ILB's ( who struggle shed a block ), is a need DT.NT.

The Chucks signing means tackle is off the board, at least in round one. You know it and so do I.

It's time you stop with the Cooch and dingleberry act. How old are you? Just asking.

Thinking you earned your labels. Best you embrace them and not be so sensitive.

Tackle isn't off the board in any round. If the RT is clearly the best value that is what will be picked. But when there is equal value if there is equal value sure they might go elsewhere. I expect WR and S might get top billing but a T, or a G, or a DT or DE wouldn't be horrible. The team has many needs, they need to be filled as much as possible.

I know you read Davis is a two down player, I doubt you watched a second of him play. Anywho he has enough raw ability I think he can be coached up to be a better pass rusher. At worse push the pocket opening up lanes for the run and pass. That could keep him on the field with some NFL conditioning. Which the Steelers are good at one of their strong points.

 

[Litos]

Thinking you earned your labels. Best you embrace them and not be so sensitive.

Tackle isn't off the board in any round. If the RT is clearly the best value that is what will be picked. But when there is equal value if there is equal value sure they might go elsewhere. I expect WR and S might get top billing but a T, or a G, or a DT or DE wouldn't be horrible. The team has many needs, they need to be filled as much as possible.

I know you read Davis is a two down player, I doubt you watched a second of him play. Anywho he has enough raw ability I think he can be coached up to be a better pass rusher. At worse push the pocket opening up lanes for the run and pass. That could keep him on the field with some NFL conditioning. Which the Steelers are good at one of their strong points.

The way the NFL is he at 60% at best ( 2 down player). He's not a pass rusher at all and will be taken off the field for obvious passing downs. However he can be an effective run stuffer, and we need that badly. A player who keeps the others off ILB's ( who struggle shed a block ), is a need DT.NT.

The Chucks signing means tackle is off the board, at least in round one. You know it and so do I.

It's time you stop with the Cooch and dingleberry act. How old are you? Just asking.

If Cross or ekwomu (sp?) are there for sure OT is in play.

 

[Coach]

Thinking you earned your labels. Best you embrace them and not be so sensitive.

Tackle isn't off the board in any round. If the RT is clearly the best value that is what will be picked. But when there is equal value if there is equal value sure they might go elsewhere. I expect WR and S might get top billing but a T, or a G, or a DT or DE wouldn't be horrible. The team has many needs, they need to be filled as much as possible.

I know you read Davis is a two down player, I doubt you watched a second of him play. Anywho he has enough raw ability I think he can be coached up to be a better pass rusher. At worse push the pocket opening up lanes for the run and pass. That could keep him on the field with some NFL conditioning. Which the Steelers are good at one of their strong points.

I'm past labeling other posters. Let's talk football, okay? I did watch UGA a few times. I trust Nick Saban to use him best, don't you? Pay attention to his limited snap count middling pass rush, or check his stats at https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-davis-9.html

He's averages about 1 solo tackle a game and, despite his size, swats down very few passes. Just 1 for his career. Other people in Alabama made the plays. It's a little hard to evaluate Crimson Tide defenders because they have so many good athletes around them, but I'll stand by my comment he is a run player only in the NFL. Not a pass rush player or the type to produce plays that get the defense off the field off the third down.

In football terms, he's zero, not really a 3, 5, and certainly not a wide 9 guy. He's a luxury pick, and it just so happens he plays a spot of need.

 

[CoolieMan]

I'm past labeling other posters. Let's talk football, okay? I did watch UGA a few times. I trust Nick Saban to use him best, don't you? Pay attention to his limited snap count middling pass rush, or check his stats at https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-davis-9.html

He's averages about 1 solo tackle a game and, despite his size, swats down very few passes. Just 1 for his career. Other people in Alabama made the plays. It's a little hard to evaluate Crimson Tide defenders because they have so many good athletes around them, but I'll stand by my comment he is a run player only in the NFL. Not a pass rush player or the type to produce plays that get the defense off the field off the third down.

In football terms, he's zero, not really a 3, 5, and certainly not a wide 9 guy. He's a luxury pick, and it just so happens he plays a spot of need.

What the hell does Nick Saban have to do with a Georgia players snap count?

as others here have pointed out to you many times

stats don't tell the whole picture of any player. A NT is useful in eating up blockers and freeing ILBs up to make plays or other DL to make plays.....so a guy who isn't in on passing downs has very few knocked down passes.....imagine that

 

[SteelerFan448]

I'm past labeling other posters. Let's talk football, okay? I did watch UGA a few times. I trust Nick Saban to use him best, don't you? Pay attention to his limited snap count middling pass rush, or check his stats at https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jordan-davis-9.html

He's averages about 1 solo tackle a game and, despite his size, swats down very few passes. Just 1 for his career. Other people in Alabama made the plays. It's a little hard to evaluate Crimson Tide defenders because they have so many good athletes around them, but I'll stand by my comment he is a run player only in the NFL. Not a pass rush player or the type to produce plays that get the defense off the field off the third down.

In football terms, he's zero, not really a 3, 5, and certainly not a wide 9 guy. He's a luxury pick, and it just so happens he plays a spot of need.

Coach, are you talking about Davis from Georgia here or Mathis from Alabama?

 

[slashsteel]

What the hell does Nick Saban have to do with a Georgia players snap count?

as others here have pointed out to you many times

stats don't tell the whole picture of any player. A NT is useful in eating up blockers and freeing ILBs up to make plays or other DL....

I don't trust a coach from a different team to use a player right.

Tell me you want to talk football without knowing football ...only cooch.