Game Balls, Game Goats & FU's........week 15.................@Philthy

[Fiji Mariner]

even Boz had a scare with that Doink!

His scary plays still score points
MVP

 

[bermudasteel]

And this is when Coaching matters the most. Coaching **** the bed today. No way around it. Now the question is next week. What will our coaches come with for the Ravens? Same old same old?

Game plans go to **** every week. KC is good and very lucky. They've won more close games this season than I can ever remember. Their luck has nothing to do with coaching.

Philly was the better team and the Steelers are not there yet. Better OL. Better WRs. Better complimentary RBs.

Coaching can assist but it can't prevent both of our OTs to be better. Note, Philly's OTs could play on an island most of the night. Not ours.

Their defensive scheme took away the short and mid range passes early. Both of their DTs are monsters.

I'd love to hear what all the complainers sold have done differently...

 

[TimesAreChanged]

Fire Tomlin. Fire Berm.

 

[TimesAreChanged]

The Eagles are probably better, but we could have done alot of things differently especially on offense. Our oline was overwhelmed, but we continued to run on first. Needed more screens / slants to make the big guys pursue. I'm not sure about defense. We kept Barkley in check while he was in there, but we couldn't cover their WRs. Maybe more blitzes or pressure man, but we also couldn't tackle which didn't help

The eagles just spanked AFCN. No one keeps Barkley in check. There are better teams, better players this season

 

[warriors42]

Game balls:
Watt
Special Teams keep making plays and Boz is Boz
Muth?

Goats:
Coaching
Defense
Najee + Oline

FU:
Referees, go **** yourselves for tilting the field

I don't know how Wilson is not on the goats list. 1 lost fumble, that sack that took us out of FG range 126 yards passing. but for me I just do not understand how a QB of his caliber takes that sack. if that would have been Ben this board would have lost their minds.

 

[stillwright]

Game plans go to **** every week. KC is good and very lucky. They've won more close games this season than I can ever remember. Their luck has nothing to do with coaching.

Philly was the better team and the Steelers are not there yet. Better OL. Better WRs. Better complimentary RBs.

Coaching can assist but it can't prevent both of our OTs to be better. Note, Philly's OTs could play on an island most of the night. Not ours.

Their defensive scheme took away the short and mid range passes early. Both of their DTs are monsters.

I'd love to hear what all the complainers sold have done differently...

That is it....DO NOTHING DIFFERENTLY and expect a different result.

 

[Litos]

I don't know how Wilson is not on the goats list. 1 lost fumble, that sack that took us out of FG range 126 yards passing. but for me I just do not understand how a QB of his caliber takes that sack. if that would have been Ben this board would have lost their minds.

Whole offense should be honestly except muth and ca3

 

[slashsteel]

Game plans go to **** every week. KC is good and very lucky. They've won more close games this season than I can ever remember. Their luck has nothing to do with coaching.

Philly was the better team and the Steelers are not there yet. Better OL. Better WRs. Better complimentary RBs.

Coaching can assist but it can't prevent both of our OTs to be better. Note, Philly's OTs could play on an island most of the night. Not ours.

Their defensive scheme took away the short and mid range passes early. Both of their DTs are monsters.

I'd love to hear what all the complainers sold have done differently...

They were the better team down 5 starters in their house. Put them in the Burgh or on a neutral site with all of the starters returned, I would like our chances.

 

[Steelersfan84]

Tomlin is on record saying it is not the coaches responsibility to “coach up” professional players.

It's not like he could anyway.

 

[BLITZ]

I've been complaining about him for 4 years and nothing has changed. But Tomlin thinks he is great. And the Tomlin lovers just agree with his stupidity.

You have been complaining about him under different names on a message board for years and are surprised that change has not been made. Thst is hilarious. Ty

 

[diver]

I think our offensive and defensive schemes are limiting what our team is capable of doing. In a 17 game season it will get you to where you want to be....the playoffs. When you start playing the best teams though it puts us at a disadvantage. History has shown us this. Not me talking out my ***. We have had all but a decade of proof. Yet nothing really changes.

Those are good points. I think Tomlin plays it the way he does for some valid reasons, though. The defense, ever since Cowher began it, is dependent on not playing tons of snaps, so it can make big plays. You need to establish the run and hold the ball. I don't completely agree with that, but I see why he does it. With the limits they have on offense, unless they are playing the Bengals, throwing the ball all around and having big plays happen the other way leaves them with little to no chance to win. The chance of that increases when you take more risks. Again, I don't completely agree, but I can see why he does it. The truth is, it has worked for him since Ben left for the most part. They have been in contention and made the playoffs. I agree though this style has gotten them beat pretty soundly in the playoffs.

It does remind me of the teams of the '90s. They'd get up against the best teams and their passing game limitations would get them. O'Donnell threw for 354 in the AFCC game in '94 against the Chargers but they only scored 13. I remember Bill Walsh breaking down the pass to Foster that was batted down and how the little nuances of the play were lacking that could have made it work...where Foster set up, he didn't move toward the ball a bit, O'Donnell delayed just a bit throwing it. Maybe Walsh was full of shiit, but it seemed to make sense.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Game plans go to **** every week. KC is good and very lucky. They've won more close games this season than I can ever remember. Their luck has nothing to do with coaching.

Philly was the better team and the Steelers are not there yet. Better OL. Better WRs. Better complimentary RBs.

Coaching can assist but it can't prevent both of our OTs to be better. Note, Philly's OTs could play on an island most of the night. Not ours.

Their defensive scheme took away the short and mid range passes early. Both of their DTs are monsters.

I'd love to hear what all the complainers sold have done differently...

You left out better Defense better starting RB and better QB

It was like a Georgia Kentucky game
Sucks to be Kentucky

 

[Stewey]

I don't know how Wilson is not on the goats list. 1 lost fumble, that sack that took us out of FG range 126 yards passing. but for me I just do not understand how a QB of his caliber takes that sack. if that would have been Ben this board would have lost their minds.

Lost their minds? No way.
I’ve been here long enough to conclude that seldom is heard a discouraging wordtoward Ben on this board.

If that were Ben that took that sack, he would’ve been exonerated. Ben could do no wrong and was exempt from criticism.

 

[Lloyd]

They have been in contention and made the playoffs. I agree though this style has gotten them beat pretty soundly in the playoffs.

"They have been in contention and made the playoffs" Are you being serious right now?

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

That's our last 4 playoff games. We lost giving up an average of 41.5 point. All losses. Those versions of "making the playoffs" don't give me much confidence. At least Cowher would win a few. That's 7 years without a playoff win, 4 losses in a row. Now, you can give me your bevy of excuses (like you usually do.)

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

GENIUS!

 

[diver]

"They have been in contention and made the playoffs" Are you being serious right now?

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

That's our last 4 playoff games. We lost giving up an average of 41.5 point. All losses. Those versions of "making the playoffs" don't give me much confidence. At least Cowher would win a few. That's 7 years without a playoff win, 4 losses in a row. Now, you can give me your bevy of excuses (like you usually do.)

Yes, I am serious. They have been in contention and made the playoffs, have they not? I did not say contention for a championship, but have made the playoffs. That is step one. You have to get there. Now, if you read my post, I clearly said that I can see why he plays it the way he does...it has worked to get some teams to the playoffs or in contention for the playoffs that maybe didn't have the talent to be there. But I also said I don't necessarily agree with it.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I don't know how Wilson is not on the goats list. 1 lost fumble, that sack that took us out of FG range 126 yards passing. but for me I just do not understand how a QB of his caliber takes that sack. if that would have been Ben this board would have lost their minds.

Wilson should definitely be on the goats list.

Faced a little pressure early and his feet got super happy, his internal clock was racing. He didn’t stay cool early and the entire offense suffered taking far too long to wake up…this was squarely on him and the OL. He did calm down a bit but took way too long for an old vet. Even after he calmed down he made some poor decisions and was largely ineffective. The falling out of the wizard’s Fg range was literally the one thing he couldn’t do. 126 yards, slow clap. This ain’t the line of tomato cans ya been playing Russ, time to step up your game or this team is going anywhere under your leadership.

Tomlin definitely gets a goat too for not employing the “take it as a bye week” and rest all key starters strategy that we both went into depth about last week. A meaningless game and we lose key starters out of this piss poor performance? Why risk anyone with that shyte game plan? Sure would’ve been nice to get healthier rather than lose guys like DJ and Watt

 

[slashsteel]

Wilson should definitely be on the goats list.

Faced a little pressure early and his feet got super happy, his internal clock was racing. He didn’t stay cool early and the entire offense suffered taking far too long to wake up…this was squarely on him and the OL. He did calm down a bit but took way too long for an old vet. Even after he calmed down he made some poor decisions and was largely ineffective. The falling out of the wizard’s Fg range was literally the one thing he couldn’t do. 126 yards, slow clap. This ain’t the line of tomato cans ya been playing Russ, time to step up your game or this team is going anywhere under your leadership.

Tomlin definitely gets a goat too for not employing the “take it as a bye week” and rest all key starters strategy that we both went into depth about last week. A meaningless game and we lose key starters out of this piss poor performance? Why risk anyone with that shyte game plan? Sure would’ve been nice to get healthier rather than lose guys like DJ and Watt

Coming into the game it wasn’t meaningless they needed a AFC loss to make the playoffs. Then there is an issue of seeding the better your seed the more home opportunities you get and your odds slightly increase in the playoffs.

Plus there is the old try to get that blade sharpened to be able to handle all your playoff encounters.

No better team than the Eagles for that. There is no misgivings they know they weren’t good enough and need to improve. Some benefit to that.

 

[stillwright]

Those are good points. I think Tomlin plays it the way he does for some valid reasons, though. The defense, ever since Cowher began it, is dependent on not playing tons of snaps, so it can make big plays. You need to establish the run and hold the ball. I don't completely agree with that, but I see why he does it. With the limits they have on offense, unless they are playing the Bengals, throwing the ball all around and having big plays happen the other way leaves them with little to no chance to win. The chance of that increases when you take more risks. Again, I don't completely agree, but I can see why he does it. The truth is, it has worked for him since Ben left for the most part. They have been in contention and made the playoffs. I agree though this style has gotten them beat pretty soundly in the playoffs.

It does remind me of the teams of the '90s. They'd get up against the best teams and their passing game limitations would get them. O'Donnell threw for 354 in the AFCC game in '94 against the Chargers but they only scored 13. I remember Bill Walsh breaking down the pass to Foster that was batted down and how the little nuances of the play were lacking that could have made it work...where Foster set up, he didn't move toward the ball a bit, O'Donnell delayed just a bit throwing it. Maybe Walsh was full of shiit, but it seemed to make sense.

Limits on Offense are because of the offense we employ(Tomlin's choice). When Russ was brought in that was going to change everything. Or so I was told on here. Thing is....we still do the exact same thing play calling wise.....for the last 5 or 6 seasons. We play a very conservative offense to limit turnovers because Tomlin believes we have a top 5 defense. And again. This entire philosophy on both sides of the ball work on a 17 game schedule to get you into the playoffs(history has shown us this). When you start playing the better teams though ....well, we all have seen the results. They haven't been good.

 

[Stewey]

"They have been in contention and made the playoffs" Are you being serious right now?

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

That's our last 4 playoff games. We lost giving up an average of 41.5 point. All losses. Those versions of "making the playoffs" don't give me much confidence. At least Cowher would win a few. That's 7 years without a playoff win, 4 losses in a row. Now, you can give me your bevy of excuses (like you usually do.)

You just listed 4 playoff appearances, so you answered your own question idiot.

Someone’s got to lose. Why we keep losing is up for debate.

Cle and Jax were winnable games.

 

[diver]

Limits on Offense are because of the offense we employ(Tomlin's choice). When Russ was brought in that was going to change everything. Or so I was told on here. Thing is....we still do the exact same thing play calling wise.....for the last 5 or 6 seasons. We play a very conservative offense to limit turnovers because Tomlin believes we have a top 5 defense. And again. This entire philosophy on both sides of the ball work on a 17 game schedule to get you into the playoffs(history has shown us this). When you start playing the better teams though ....well, we all have seen the results. They haven't been good.

Again, I agree. But you have to get there. He doesn't have the QB to do what you want to do, and he really hasn't since 2018. Not with a post-injury Ben. Even with Russ. I like listening to Williamson, and he was not a huge fan of the Russell Wilson signing. Now, it has worked out for the most part, but Wilson isn't pre-injury Ben back there. Williamson has discussed Wilson's limitations in throwing over the middle of the field. He has also stated Russ is better when the running game works. He isn't a guy, at this point in his career, that is going to dominate with his arm. I think it has played out pretty much this way.

I don't think Tomlin ever said Russ coming in was going to change everything. That's more important than what anyone on here says.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Coming into the game it wasn’t meaningless they needed a AFC loss to make the playoffs. Then there is an issue of seeding the better your seed the more home opportunities you get and your odds slightly increase in the playoffs.

Plus there is the old try to get that blade sharpened to be able to handle all your playoff encounters.

No better team than the Eagles for that. There is no misgivings they know they weren’t good enough and need to improve. Some benefit to that.

It was about as meaningless as a game gets
They positioned themselves to a point they could literally use this as a bye week with very minimal chances to effect their seeding whatsoever.

Health and rest would’ve served them better, but I wouldn’t expect Mike to ever not try his best to win every game, essentially meaningless or not. But there is a reason Mike usually stumbles into the playoffs with a beat up banged up roster.

He doesn’t understand load management and getting healthy to set himself up for success in meaningful games to come. So beat the **** out your race horse and come up out of gas in the home stretch and fall to the back of the pack…rinse and repeat

Beat that horse Mike

Couldn’t disagree more that a potential win was more important than an FU to the league and doing what is essential to getting his team right for the stretch run meaningful games and playoffs.

Too bad the horse will be gassed for the home stretch once again.

 

[Confluence]

You complain about everything. Most of the time you are full of shiit.

The Dan Moore complaints are not shiit, as demonstrated by the Steelers last 2 first round picks.

That he had a few decent games earlier in the season does not make him a serviceable LT or excuse the bad coaching strategy to not use either Fantanu or Jones at LT from day 1.

One shorter leg Dan Moore needs to moved to the bench or his next team this offseason as his best efforts are not good enough for the Steelers to be a playoff winner.

And they knew that before the 2023 draft and the 2024 draft.

 

[diver]

The Dan Moore complaints are not shiit, as demonstrated by the Steelers last 2 first round picks.

That he had a few decent games earlier in the season does not make him a serviceable LT or excuse the bad coaching strategy to not use either Fantanu or Jones at LT from day 1.

One shorter leg Dan Moore needs to moved to the bench or his next team this offseason as his best efforts are not good enough for the Steelers to be a playoff winner.

And they knew that before the 2023 draft and the 2024 draft.

He has been a solid player. He is serviceable. It's just a fact, regardless of how much you dislike the guy. I think the dislike for him has more to do with Tomlin, anyway, than Dan Moore. The thing is, I questioned the same thing at the beginning of the year. The Steelers have told us with their 1st rounders two years in a row they think they can do better. Well then, dammit, like you said, they should have started camp with Jones at left, and Fatanu at right. I agree with you. But that doesn't mean Moore has been a bad player. He is nothing special, but he is solid. I am hoping to see the possibility of special whenever Fatanu comes back, they put Jones where he belongs.

 

[diver]

You know, when people say things like Dan Moore plays because he is Tomlin's buddy, it kind of makes their argument ridiculous. Could it be partly due to the fact that the 1st rounder from 2023, according to some reports, thought it should just be handed to him and perhaps didn't put the work in necessary? There has never been a report about Dan Moore not working hard.