Game Balls, Game Goats & FU's........week 15.................@Philthy

[bermudasteel]

Same concepts....yep.

C'mon man...that's just common sense and a blanket answer. The real answer is NO.

 

[stillwright]

C'mon man...that's just common sense and a blanket answer. The real answer is NO.

We do the same thing game in and game out. On both the defense and offense side of the ball. Sorry. Just the way it is. I don't call the plays.

 

[Djfan]

We do the same thing game in and game out. On both the defense and offense side of the ball. Sorry. Just the way it is. I don't call the plays.

About two weeks ago I said that I already know the first play for the rest of the games. I have not been wrong yet.

 

[diver]

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

Nothing needs resaid, the Tomlin way gets you nothing. Those are the last 7 years. Never any advancement in those 7 years.

Well, since 2016 lets say, 5 coaches have won a Super Bowl, and Andy Reid and Bill Belechick have 5 between them. 3 other coaches have won. So that means in the last 8 years, only 5 coaches have gotten anybody anything. It ain't that easy.

 

[diver]

No, just reports about him being the worst LT in the league, that's all.

Not this year.

 

[jitter77]

Can you HONESTLY say that you've seen the SAME GAME PLAN, offensively & defensively for every game this season???

No, but other teams coaches / players have stated multiple times that we do the same stuff over and over. The only game that has really looked different has been the Cinci game. We rarely blitz on D anymore and play a soft zone. We have basically eliminated one of our best playmakers by having him play center field and do diddly squat. We rely on turnovers and TJ being a one man wrecking crew. Good QBs just destroy the Tomlin zone and it is way outdated. On offense we run into brick walls and defenses can call out our plays. If something isn't working we just continue to do it over and over. This year it's the toss runs to najee, previously we had the jet sweeps, before that we had the shotgun draw...Very frustrating

 

[topseed]

Well, since 2016 lets say, 5 coaches have won a Super Bowl, and Andy Reid and Bill Belechick have 5 between them. 3 other coaches have won. So that means in the last 8 years, only 5 coaches have gotten anybody anything. It ain't that easy.

Well, since 2017, let's say...how many head coaches have zero playoff wins and still have their job with the same team?

 

[diver]

Well, since 2017, let's say...how many head coaches have zero playoff wins and still have their job with the same team?

No one. I agree. I've said this before, but it is possible to have multiple, competing thoughts. I can wish the Steelers would have moved on from Tomlin but at the same time tire of the endless whining.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Battered squad ? 3 were hurt prior to the Eagle game should be back. 2 hurt during the game 1 should be back and one might miss it TJ.

They are deep at OLBer so have no excuse if TJ is out.

Sure they might lose to the rats but it won’t be because they are battered.

Fields (the closer) likely out
Pickens (our best offensive threat) should still be held out
DJ (starting corner) likely out
Watt (best defensive player) should be held out
Elliot (best performer in secondary this year) good
Chance he’s out

Seeing a lotta DNP’s for key players
Will Mikey maybe in desperation try to rush someone back and further aggravate injury-likely

As a precaution to have guys healthy for playoffs no way in hell I’d play 4 of those 5

So yeah, I’d stick with battered squad

The good news is we have an old QB looking like an old QB
A mediocre RB
No WRs
And a couple TES we rarely throw to cuz we don’t use the middle of the field

Right now we look like the easiest playoff team
Offense to defend

So yeah,
Probably want to rest some guys and get some
Form of health for the playoffs for this battered squad.

At least the Rats aren’t a physical D anymore so we shouldn’t take the usual pounding associated with this rivalry game.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

We do the same thing game in and game out. On both the defense and offense side of the ball. Sorry. Just the way it is. I don't call the plays.

There are a couple Van Jefferson pre snap motions that are followed by a run play 100% of the time

I wonder if opposing DCs have figured that out?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Still, hope someone else pays him enough in FA to get a comp 4th for him

That would be a huge win
And potentially save us from making a huge mistake and paying him

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Baltimore is about to have a 3 time MVP and is only 2-5 in the playoffs. Why aren't they going to win a SB? Cause they have to go up against better teams like KC and BUF in the playoffs just like we had to go up against IND/DEN with Manning and NE. Congrats, you now know what the Campbell era 70s Oiler fans feel like. A fantastic team that had to play the Raiders and Steelers in the playoffs to try to get to a SB, which they never did.

I’ll give ya IND Manning was good

Vs DEN Manning was an old decrepit shell of himself at that point…but alas we stumbled into the game with 1 offensive weapon…Martavis Bryant

He had himself a day but woulda been nice to have a RB or another WR to help out

 

[diver]

Fields (the closer) likely out
Pickens (our best offensive threat) should still be held out
DJ (starting corner) likely out
Watt (best defensive player) should be held out
Elliot (best performer in secondary this year) good
Chance he’s out

Seeing a lotta DNP’s for key players
Will Mikey maybe in desperation try to rush someone back and further aggravate injury-likely

As a precaution to have guys healthy for playoffs no way in hell I’d play 4 of those 5

So yeah, I’d stick with battered squad

The good news is we have an old QB looking like an old QB
A mediocre RB
No WRs
And a couple TES we rarely throw to cuz we don’t use the middle of the field

Right now we look like the easiest playoff team
Offense to defend

So yeah,
Probably want to rest some guys and get some
Form of health for the playoffs for this battered squad.

At least the Rats aren’t a physical D anymore so we shouldn’t take the usual pounding associated with this rivalry game.

All that is fine, and on some level I agree with you. On another level, they are football players and paid to play football. If they are healthy enough to play, they ought to play. If Tomlin says, "Well, if this was a playoff game, they'd play" they ought to play.

But here is the thing. Let's say they hold all those guys out as a precaution, and they lose. Will we have to endure all next week the wah, wahing over how Tomlin sucks? See, this is the perfect example of the no win he is in. He holds them out and they don't win, people biitch. He plays them and someone gets hurt again, even if they win, people will biitch. Oh, boy, if he plays them, they lose, and someone gets hurt worse, look out. If he plays them, they win, no one gets hurt worse, I'm sure there will be a timeout he either called or didn't call with about 47 seconds left somewhere that people will biitch about.

 

[slashsteel]

Fields (the closer) likely out
Pickens (our best offensive threat) should still be held out
DJ (starting corner) likely out
Watt (best defensive player) should be held out
Elliot (best performer in secondary this year) good
Chance he’s out

Seeing a lotta DNP’s for key players
Will Mikey maybe in desperation try to rush someone back and further aggravate injury-likely

As a precaution to have guys healthy for playoffs no way in hell I’d play 4 of those 5

So yeah, I’d stick with battered squad

The good news is we have an old QB looking like an old QB
A mediocre RB
No WRs
And a couple TES we rarely throw to cuz we don’t use the middle of the field

Right now we look like the easiest playoff team
Offense to defend

So yeah,
Probably want to rest some guys and get some
Form of health for the playoffs for this battered squad.

At least the Rats aren’t a physical D anymore so we shouldn’t take the usual pounding associated with this rivalry game.

Thing is what you are reporting isn’t what they reported. We will get a better feel for that when well they report it.

Mike hasn’t rushed people back he has let their practice participation be their guide. Hell even the guys coming off IR usually are sat a week before he lets them play.

I get it in the game they were banged up but for now that is all it is.

 

[Lloyd]

Not this year.

He's still a bottom feeder of LTs

 

[Lloyd]

Well, since 2016 lets say, 5 coaches have won a Super Bowl, and Andy Reid and Bill Belechick have 5 between them. 3 other coaches have won. So that means in the last 8 years, only 5 coaches have gotten anybody anything. It ain't that easy.

.And in the last 4 playoff games, that is what Mediocre Mike has delivered. All Ls.

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

 

[diver]

He's still a bottom feeder of LTs

Being that Fautanu is hurt, what would you have them do? As I have stated, I wish they would have started camp with Jones at LT and Fautanu at RT. But if a few reports out there were true, Jones maybe didn't work hard enough. Should it just be handed to him?

And I watch Moore play. I don't think he is a bottom feeder. he had a rough 1st half against Garrett, but Garrett has done that to a lot of guys you would probably say are a lot better than Moore. The Eagles pressure everyone, regardless of who it is. Otherwise, he's played solid football this year. I think he has been solid in the past, too. I just disagree with you guys on him.

 

[diver]

.And in the last 4 playoff games, that is what Mediocre Mike has delivered. All Ls.

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

I've been a Steeler fan since I remember anything in the early 70s. I am well aware of the results since that time. It won't change no matter how much you repeat it. I believe it has no bearing on this year, so I could care less.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

All that is fine, and on some level I agree with you. On another level, they are football players and paid to play football. If they are healthy enough to play, they ought to play. If Tomlin says, "Well, if this was a playoff game, they'd play" they ought to play.

But here is the thing. Let's say they hold all those guys out as a precaution, and they lose. Will we have to endure all next week the wah, wahing over how Tomlin sucks? See, this is the perfect example of the no win he is in. He holds them out and they don't win, people biitch. He plays them and someone gets hurt again, even if they win, people will biitch. Oh, boy, if he plays them, they lose, and someone gets hurt worse, look out. If he plays them, they win, no one gets hurt worse, I'm sure there will be a timeout he either called or didn't call with about 47 seconds left somewhere that people will biitch about.

You will always have to endure wah, wahing over how Tomlin sucks until one of two things happen

1) Tomlin wins another SB (with a team he built)
2) Tomlin is no longer HC

And tbh either one of those won’t stop some from wah, wahing

There is a simple solution though, he could grow and get better every season like he always preaches to his players…if he did that SBs would eventually stack up and people would eventually stop wah, wahing…well except for a real special few who will never get over him for failing (being mediocre) for as long as he has already in their eyes. But 17 damn seasons in many of us watch the same mistakes over and over with very little growth from him. Shame he doesn’t practice what he preaches. Maybe the HC needs a coach?

 

[slashsteel]

You will always have to endure wah, wahing over how Tomlin sucks until one of two things happen

1) Tomlin wins another SB (with a team he built)
2) Tomlin is no longer HC

And tbh either one of those won’t stop some from wah, wahing

There is a simple solution though, he could grow and get better every season like he always preaches to his players…if he did that SBs would eventually stack up and people would eventually stop wah, wahing…well except for a real special few who will never get over him for failing (being mediocre) for as long as he has already in their eyes. But 17 damn seasons in many of us watch the same mistakes over and over with very little growth from him. Shame he doesn’t practice what he preaches. Maybe the HC needs a coach?

I think a lot of fans would quiet off of a playoff win.

But sure some will complain no material what.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Thing is what you are reporting isn’t what they reported. We will get a better feel for that when well they report it.

Mike hasn’t rushed people back he has let their practice participation be their guide. Hell even the guys coming off IR usually are sat a week before he lets them play.

I get it in the game they were banged up but for now that is all it is.

I’m not reporting just looking at all the DNPs from Tue and Wed
Which all the listed players (other than Watt who isn’t human) are all DNPs and Watt was very limited but did participate per reports

Not me reporting just reading a practice report

The Watt thing can be kind of concerning too cuz he’s such a beast sometimes a coach has to protect a player from himself. It’s a predicament as the team has proven it can’t win without Watt and now they face the most important game of the season so far. Watt will give it a go if someone doesn’t stop him cuz he knows we need him if we’re gonna win. Just hope he doesn’t aggravate his injury cuz they’ll obviously need him moving forward in the playoffs.

 

[slashsteel]

I’m not reporting just looking at all the DNPs from Tue and Wed
Which all the listed players (other than Watt who isn’t human) are all DNPs and Watt was very limited but did participate per reports

Not me reporting just reading a practice report

The Watt thing can be kind of concerning too cuz he’s such a beast sometimes a coach has to protect a player from himself. It’s a predicament as the team has proven it can’t win without Watt and now they face the most important game of the season so far. Watt will give it a go if someone doesn’t stop him cuz he knows we need him if we’re gonna win. Just hope he doesn’t aggravate his injury cuz they’ll obviously need him moving forward in the playoffs.

Reports are Watt is leaning towards playing and him and Larry were limited participants today.

Tuesday wasn’t really a true practice.

To know who is out we can look at Thursday’s report which is basically Friday’s this week.

Sure I hope it doesn’t aggravate the injury but it is up to the coaches to know how a player is or isn’t progressing.

I have seen nothing to suggest they will push a player out there that shouldn’t be.

I am starting to lean towards three being banged up and possibly not playing which would be significant but it is what it is.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Reports are Watt is leaning towards playing and him and Larry were limited participants today.

Tuesday wasn’t really a true practice.

To know who is out we can look at Thursday’s report which is basically Friday’s this week.

Sure I hope it doesn’t aggravate the injury but it is up to the coaches to know how a player is or isn’t progressing.

I have seen nothing to suggest they will push a player out there that shouldn’t be.

I am starting to lean towards three being banged up and possibly not playing which would be significant but it is what it is.

That’s what scare me
When it’s up to Mike, a guy that can never think more than 1 move ahead in a game of chess…and a guy with a long history of beating the horses to the point of nothing left for the home stretch. He’s simply not capable of the load management required by 3 games in 10 days.

We’ll see what happens, but my optimism that lasted through pretty much the whole
Season slipped back to the reality of what’s likely coming our way…yet again

The Good thing is there will be college games on Saturday as a consolation/distraction if this **** gets outta hand and we play opposite Texas/Clemson which should be interesting.

 

[slashsteel]

That’s what scare me
When it’s up to Mike, a guy that can never think more than 1 move ahead in a game of chess…and a guy with a long history of beating the horses to the point of nothing left for the home stretch. He’s simply not capable of the load management required by 3 games in 10 days.

We’ll see what happens, but my optimism that lasted through pretty much the whole
Season slipped back to the reality of what’s likely coming our way…yet again

The Good thing is there will be college games on Saturday as a consolation/distraction if this **** gets outta hand and we play opposite Texas/Clemson which should be interesting.

I dunno I never expected a lot based off their track record. Thought they would be good for one or two playoff wins. Still think that is possible.

I do think Mike is staying out of Smith’s way.

For me that brings a little bit more hope than I usually have.

Which isn’t usually much postseason…

What worries me is Austin’s defense. Their propensity to give out points in the playoffs like candy won’t work..

 

[diver]

You will always have to endure wah, wahing over how Tomlin sucks until one of two things happen

1) Tomlin wins another SB (with a team he built)
2) Tomlin is no longer HC

And tbh either one of those won’t stop some from wah, wahing

There is a simple solution though, he could grow and get better every season like he always preaches to his players…if he did that SBs would eventually stack up and people would eventually stop wah, wahing…well except for a real special few who will never get over him for failing (being mediocre) for as long as he has already in their eyes. But 17 damn seasons in many of us watch the same mistakes over and over with very little growth from him. Shame he doesn’t practice what he preaches. Maybe the HC needs a coach?

This is what I mean by there seems to be this idea that if Tomlin would just miracle that somehow, or they would get another coach, why, the Super Bowls would "stack up." It's just that damn easy. As if there are not 31 other teams trying to do the same things. And people wonder why some of us get frustrated with the arguments here. I don't think you are one of them, but I really believe some people think well, shiit, it's a snap of the fingers and boom!

Again, that doesn't mean they shouldn't make a change. To be clear, in no way, shape or form am I saying that.