Game Balls, Game Goats & FU's........week 15.................@Philthy

[Litos]

You know, when people say things like Dan Moore plays because he is Tomlin's buddy, it kind of makes their argument ridiculous. Could it be partly due to the fact that the 1st rounder from 2023, according to some reports, thought it should just be handed to him and perhaps didn't put the work in necessary? There has never been a report about Dan Moore not working hard.

Still, hope someone else pays him enough in FA to get a comp 4th for him

 

[Confluence]

He has been a solid player. He is serviceable. It's just a fact, regardless of how much you dislike the guy. I think the dislike for him has more to do with Tomlin, anyway, than Dan Moore. The thing is, I questioned the same thing at the beginning of the year. The Steelers have told us with their 1st rounders two years in a row they think they can do better. Well then, dammit, like you said, they should have started camp with Jones at left, and Fatanu at right. I agree with you. But that doesn't mean Moore has been a bad player. He is nothing special, but he is solid. I am hoping to see the possibility of special whenever Fatanu comes back, they put Jones where he belongs.

Moore has been a turnstile. They knew this and twice drafted 1st round LTs to fix that issue.

None of the words you put around that fact changes anything.

Those that said this was a LT problem in TC and preseason were laughed at because Moore was able to turn down his suck for the early part of the season.

Now, when games start to matter, the Dan Moore sucks volume is increasing, causing either less time to pass or less guys in routes because of chipping the rusher.
The team knew this and twice tried to rectify......see the pattern?

Moore is not competent and that is and was known and now the same pattern of poor performance is again a serious problem, just when the Offence needs to produce against quality opponents.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[diver]

Moore has been a turnstile. They knew this and twice drafted 1st round LTs to fix that issue.

None of the words you put around that fact changes anything.

Those that said this was a LT problem in TC and preseason were laughed at because Moore was able to turn down his suck for the early part of the season.

Now, when games start to matter, the Dan Moore sucks volume is increasing, causing either less time to pass or less guys in routes because of chipping the rusher.
The team knew this and twice tried to rectify......see the pattern?

Moore is not competent and that is and was known and now the same pattern of poor performance is again a serious problem, just when the Offence needs to produce against quality opponents.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Nobody is saying he is a great player. Laughed at? C'mon. Everyone of us on here, in a perfect world, would like to see Jones at LT and Fatanu at RT. Well, shiit, Fatanu got hurt, so it's kind of a moot point. And also, do you just hand it to Jones? Should he have to earn it? But also, Garrett has beaten a lot of tackles that you would probably say are better than Dan Moore. The Eagles pressure everybody. It happens, and with some of the other issues the Steelers have on offense, it makes the job of the OL harder. Garrett didn't do much in the 2nd meeting, the kid from Cincy was a non-factor.

 

[stillwright]

Fire Tomlin. Fire Berm.

Say we lose out the rest of the way....a possibility. Then go on and lose in the playoffs how we have been the last few years....does the conversation come up between the GM and Owner?

Of course they could win out and go onto win another SB.

 

[slashsteel]

It was about as meaningless as a game gets
They positioned themselves to a point they could literally use this as a bye week with very minimal chances to effect their seeding whatsoever.

Health and rest would’ve served them better, but I wouldn’t expect Mike to ever not try his best to win every game, essentially meaningless or not. But there is a reason Mike usually stumbles into the playoffs with a beat up banged up roster.

He doesn’t understand load management and getting healthy to set himself up for success in meaningful games to come. So beat the **** out your race horse and come up out of gas in the home stretch and fall to the back of the pack…rinse and repeat

Beat that horse Mike

Couldn’t disagree more that a potential win was more important than an FU to the league and doing what is essential to getting his team right for the stretch run meaningful games and playoffs.

Too bad the horse will be gassed for the home stretch once again.

This time of year it is always significant each game for the reasons mentioned. No biggie we will agree to disagree with this one. I am more likely to agree on the last game of the season or if the Steelers are locked into a number one seed. Just because there is more important games doesn’t diminish the importance. Let the Steelers lose to the rats that game becomes even more relevant…

 

[bigben]

I agree, but there is zero argument as far as Johnson's production as a Steeler vs what we have now

 

[Confluence]

The Steelers have at least 4 games left. The bungles game doesn't matter, but the Rats, Chefs and playoff opponent will be the scale that is used to judge this season that started so well.

If they go 1-2 against those three and the win is the PO game, that is a step forward.
If they beat the Rats, awesome, but no success in playoffs renders that moot.
If they beat the Chefs, who are likely to be resting, then I'm unsure.

If they go 2-1, then the season is a success regardless if the loss is in the POs, IMO.

3-0 gets them into the Divisional finals and marks the most successful team since the last SB appearance, after a decade of disappointment.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Yes winning makes the sand disappear. Win all 3, and lose a playoff game, sand comes in again to claim victory.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Tomlin is on record saying it is not the coaches responsibility to “coach up” professional players.

“If you don’t know by now, we can’t help you”


Salute the nation

 

[slashsteel]

The Steelers have at least 4 games left. The bungles game doesn't matter, but the Rats, Chefs and playoff opponent will be the scale that is used to judge this season that started so well.

If they go 1-2 against those three and the win is the PO game, that is a step forward.
If they beat the Rats, awesome, but no success in playoffs renders that moot.
If they beat the Chefs, who are likely to be resting, then I'm unsure.

If they go 2-1, then the season is a success regardless if the loss is in the POs, IMO.

3-0 gets them into the Divisional finals and marks the most successful team since the last SB appearance, after a decade of disappointment.

For me the season is only a success with a playoff win. Time for them to sh!t or get off the pot.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Boz game ball. That’s all I got with offense. Defense all I got is TJ.

FU’s…….while Arthur Smith has had a few good games,he’s had some terrible ones too. Very inconsistent. I thought today was terrible. And yes the Eagles have a good defense. We needed quick passes. No…not the quick one yard swing out type. More like the 6-8 yarders. A few slants. Middle of the field. Why we don’t use our mammoth TE a couple passes a game I’ll never know. And yes I realize he’s in for blocking. I’m not talking 20 passes a game. Just a couple. TE screen would work with him. Opens up the field a bit.

It really is getting old when we play a game against a good team and we see our Defense toyed with. The long drives against us were frustrating. Our secondary. Man .

We are a ways away from being a contender when it matters.

Great post Steelmann, Right there with you.

We are 1 to 2 years off yet. We still need trench workers, believe it or not. What we really need is an offensive line coach and scheme c hange, both sides of the ball.

Alas, if Coolies’ uncle was born female and nice titsss, she might be a good ———- samich-maker……. LoL



Salute the nation

 

[Steelmann]

Lost their minds? No way.
I’ve been here long enough to conclude that seldom is heard a discouraging wordtoward Ben on this board.

If that were Ben that took that sack, he would’ve been exonerated. Ben could do no wrong and was exempt from criticism.

lol……
How true. Ben took a ton of sacks on 3rd down that took us out of FG range. It was one of the frustrating parts of his game.

 

[Lloyd]

Yes, I am serious. They have been in contention and made the playoffs, have they not? I did not say contention for a championship, but have made the playoffs. That is step one. You have to get there. Now, if you read my post, I clearly said that I can see why he plays it the way he does...it has worked to get some teams to the playoffs or in contention for the playoffs that maybe didn't have the talent to be there. But I also said I don't necessarily agree with it.

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

Nothing needs resaid, the Tomlin way gets you nothing. Those are the last 7 years. Never any advancement in those 7 years.

 

[slashsteel]

@Bills, 31-17 L
@KC, 42-21 L
@(Pitt) Cleveland 48-37 L
@Pitt, Jags 45-42 L

Nothing needs resaid, the Tomlin way gets you nothing. Those are the last 7 years. Never any advancement in those 7 years.

If the Steelers get a playoff win this year what will you complain about then cooch?

So you know, the Steelers fans all of them will be upset with a playoff loss. And all are well versed on their playoff futility. But by all means mention it another 50 times .

 

[Fiji Mariner]

This time of year it is always significant each game for the reasons mentioned. No biggie we will agree to disagree with this one. I am more likely to agree on the last game of the season or if the Steelers are locked into a number one seed. Just because there is more important games doesn’t diminish the importance. Let the Steelers lose to the rats that game becomes even more relevant…

Having seen the team further deplete itself in what was the most inconsequential game left of the 4 I now feel a loss to the Rats is probable. A Rats win imo was if the utmost importance so I used the logic of prep for the game that really mattered.

Only the most optimistic of fans could see a 1 or 2 seed being attainable, i personally knew they were both out of reach. So set your team up for what matters, a win vs the Rats.

Had a feeling a win vs the Eagles was very improbable at best, in fact it was one of the few times I’ve bet against the Steelers in years.
But I knew damn well 5.5 wasn’t nearly enough points so I figured I’d take the free money.

Seeing the current shape of this battered squad a win vs the Rats now feels unlikely at best despite how much we own Lamar.

It is what is now tho so yeah we just agree to disagree. Sure hope they prove me wrong but I fully expect this squad to limp into the playoffs depleting itself to a point of irrelevance once again. The realist in me has taken over what was left of the optimism regarding this squad.

I’ve seen this story before, more than once

 

[slashsteel]

Having seen the team further deplete itself in what was the most inconsequential game left of the 4 I now feel a loss to the Rats is probable. A Rats win imo was if the utmost importance so I used the logic of prep for the game that really mattered.

Only the most optimistic of fans could see a 1 or 2 seed being attainable, i personally knew they were both out of reach. So set your team up for what matters, a win vs the Rats.

Had a feeling a win vs the Eagles was very improbable at best, in fact it was one of the few times I’ve bet against the Steelers in years.
But I knew damn well 5.5 wasn’t nearly enough points so I figured I’d take the free money.

Seeing the current shape of this battered squad a win vs the Rats now feels unlikely at best despite how much we own Lamar.

It is what is now tho so yeah we just agree to disagree. Sure hope they prove me wrong but I fully expect this squad to limp into the playoffs depleting itself to a point of irrelevance once again. The realist in me has taken over what was left of the optimism regarding this squad.

I’ve seen this story before, more than once

Battered squad ? 3 were hurt prior to the Eagle game should be back. 2 hurt during the game 1 should be back and one might miss it TJ.

They are deep at OLBer so have no excuse if TJ is out.

Sure they might lose to the rats but it won’t be because they are battered.

 

[Steelmann]

Great post Steelmann, Right there with you.

We are 1 to 2 years off yet. We still need trench workers, believe it or not. What we really need is an offensive line coach and scheme c hange, both sides of the ball.

Alas, if Coolies’ uncle was born female and nice titsss, she might be a good ———- samich-maker……. LoL



Salute the nation

Drink,I’ve definitely agreed with people that have said we are a season or two away from being a serious contender. While the team has done better than I anticipated,there is no way in hell I believe they are a SB contender. For many reasons. What really concerns me is that it could be more than a few seasons. We have an unsigned average RB. Why I hear some fans saying we should offer him a new contract in the 8-10 range is just beyond me.

Anytime we play a decent team our secondary is Swiss cheese.

While Russ has had some good games…..he has been very average,if that,against good D teams. On a one year contract. Our redzone offense is still ranked around the 30th in the league. And that’s the bottom line. It’s why Boz is going for a record. i remember there were a ton of comments from Steeler fans about how we just needed average QB play,with our Defense that’s enough to do it. I disagreed then and more so now. We have far too many coaching/scheme/ philosophy shortcomings to have an average QB.

We couldn’t have had a worse OC than Canada. Arthur has obviously been better. But I definitely think there is room for improvement. Our WR room is in total disarray. I’ve always said George will leave if and when FA comes. Gut feeling that he wants big city,bright lights,huge contract. If he goes our WR room is a total gut job.

I think our brightest lights will be our OLine,and with a tweak or two,has the potential to be the best in the league within two seasons. We need our young future star QB to grow with them. Easier said than done of course. I could go on and on….TJ is getting older…Cam is old. The NFL is a revolving door.

We are a decent team. It’s a tough business. Getting over the hump is hard. As this team can certainly attest too for the last 14 years. All new GM’s have I believe a 3-5 year plan that they should be given the time to implement. We can only hope Omar is up to the task.

 

[Lloyd]

You know, when people say things like Dan Moore plays because he is Tomlin's buddy, it kind of makes their argument ridiculous. Could it be partly due to the fact that the 1st rounder from 2023, according to some reports, thought it should just be handed to him and perhaps didn't put the work in necessary? There has never been a report about Dan Moore not working hard.

No, just reports about him being the worst LT in the league, that's all.

 

[Stewey]

lol……
How true. Ben took a ton of sacks on 3rd down that took us out of FG range. It was one of the frustrating parts of his game.

Also he threw 3 picks I believe it was vs Cleveland in that playoff game, and the reaction around here was “oh well” .

 

[bermudasteel]

That is it....DO NOTHING DIFFERENTLY and expect a different result.

Can you HONESTLY say that you've seen the SAME GAME PLAN, offensively & defensively for every game this season???

 

[stillwright]

Can you HONESTLY say that you've seen the SAME GAME PLAN, offensively & defensively for every game this season???

Same concepts....yep.

 

[Steelmann]

Also he threw 3 picks I believe it was vs Cleveland in that playoff game, and the reaction around here was “oh well” .

Not this guy Stewey. While Ben was a big part of the reason we got to the playoff games his interceptions killed many chances of moving forward. Cleveland was a prime example. Everyone and their dog blamed Mendenhall for the loss in GB. I always found that comical. Ben’s turnovers had way more to do with it. I loved Ben…..but he was far from perfect.

 

[Djfan]

Not this guy Stewey. While Ben was a big part of the reason we got to the playoff games his interceptions killed many chances of moving forward. Cleveland was a prime example. Everyone and their dog blamed Mendenhall for the loss in GB. I always found that comical. Ben’s turnovers had way more to do with it. I loved Ben…..but he was far from perfect.

The game Ben played seemed to me to be an attempt to overcome a lame gameplan. We were vanilla. The game plan had the aggression of a nun on her death bed. It was beyond frustrating. That game was ours to lose, and we did.

Tomlin was outcoached plain and simple

 

[Steelmann]

The game Ben played seemed to me to be an attempt to overcome a lame gameplan. We were vanilla. The game plan had the aggression of a nun on her death bed. It was beyond frustrating. That game was ours to lose, and we did.

Tomlin was outcoached plain and simple

Certainly not disagreeing with that……
but to be fair you also have to add Big Ben was totally outplayed by Aaron Rodgers. Plain and Simple.

 

[Stryker]

I'm no Tomlin fan! The guy had the highest powered offense and the best O-line in football for 4 seasons and managed 1 playoff game win! IMO he's the most over-rated Head Coach in NFL History!

Baltimore is about to have a 3 time MVP and is only 2-5 in the playoffs. Why aren't they going to win a SB? Cause they have to go up against better teams like KC and BUF in the playoffs just like we had to go up against IND/DEN with Manning and NE. Congrats, you now know what the Campbell era 70s Oiler fans feel like. A fantastic team that had to play the Raiders and Steelers in the playoffs to try to get to a SB, which they never did.