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Hamas Fires 5,000 Rockets Into Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

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Jordan cancels Biden summit after deadly explosion at Gaza hospital​

Israelis and Palestinians blame each other after blast in which hundreds are feared dead


Countries no longer win / dictate wars, the media does. Who can we blame, what can we show, how can we spin until the masses turn. Then the fold happens. Time and time.

Sometime to eliminate evil, bad things must be done.

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Sigh.
You are making a really bad false equivalency with that argument. You are talking about a single individual versus what is essentially a nation state. In WWII we didn’t sort individual Germans and Japanese, we made war on all of them and broke their national wills to fight. That involved leveling cities. That’s Israel is faced with here.


Yeah you are making circular arguments now. Fizuck off back to Toronto and let men with balls protect civilization.
There is nothing circular there, so you get frustrated, say f uck off and imply that I have no balls?
lol
Nice work.
 

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Jordan cancels Biden summit after deadly explosion at Gaza hospital​

Israelis and Palestinians blame each other after blast in which hundreds are feared dead

Countries no longer win / dictate wars, the media does. Who can we blame, what can we show, how can we spin until the masses turn. Then the fold happens. Time and time.

Sometime to eliminate evil, bad things must be done.

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Ironically Jordan is the clear "made up" country in the area. I cannot imagine they would want POTUS nearby when war escalates.
I think Israel also controls much of it water supply after past battles.
Little chance that Hamas tries to take out Sleepy Creepy because that would only improve American leadership.
 

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There is nothing circular there, so you get frustrated, say f uck off and imply that I have no balls?
lol
Nice work.
No you are making a circular whatabout argument. You are engaging in Sophistry. Men who have balls understand sometimes unpleasant things need to be done for the sake of a greater good.
 

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No you are making a circular whatabout argument. You are engaging in Sophistry. Men who have balls understand sometimes unpleasant things need to be done for the sake of a greater good.
Glad you have balls and know about men who have balls.

I promise that there is no intention to deceive --- how do you get there from my comments?

sophistry, whatabout (Mary?), circular and false equivalency. (Can google find you a couple more words that almost, but do not really fit?)

I will make my intention very clear, so lean in and listen good: I am against the killing of children, for any reason. I am against it in the womb, just out of the womb, at age 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. My statement is absolute, not relative. At some point, they become dangerous to others, but it is not at 6. As I wrote above, it is not my place to be expert on when men become evil; clearly that will be a relative argument. I am comfortable clearly siding with Israelis AND saying "do not kill kids".

And it seems different than your intentions, so you can write more about mens balls and whatever else you feel you need to.
 

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All this talk about men’s balls got me rock hard.
 

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Glad you have balls and know about men who have balls.

I promise that there is no intention to deceive --- how do you get there from my comments?

sophistry, whatabout (Mary?), circular and false equivalency. (Can google find you a couple more words that almost, but do not really fit?)

I will make my intention very clear, so lean in and listen good: I am against the killing of children, for any reason. I am against it in the womb, just out of the womb, at age 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. My statement is absolute, not relative. At some point, they become dangerous to others, but it is not at 6. As I wrote above, it is not my place to be expert on when men become evil; clearly that will be a relative argument. I am comfortable clearly siding with Israelis AND saying "do not kill kids".

And it seems different than your intentions, so you can write more about mens balls and whatever else you feel you need to.
Again tell me how the Israelis are going to destroy Hamas and its will and abilty to make war without killing their children whom they are using as meat shields? You can't because there is no way to do that. So you engage in the sophistry of "It's always immoral to kill kids" argument without acknowledging the reality that for the Israelis to secure victory and peace they are going to have to kill civilians including children. Present a solution or shut the fizuck up.
 

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Stunningly brilliant article that could be posted in 12 threads here.

Suddenly, the Censorship mafia attacks the Left.

The Post-Cold War Origins of the Surveillance State

Just a few months ago I visited Israel for the first time in 40 years. I stayed in a distant aunt’s apartment, in the spare room that doubled as a shelter from missile attacks. Its two-foot thick walls were curious to me, and the idea of missiles raining down on suburban Tel Aviv was rather abstract. Such security concerns felt very localised, and the global dynamics of War on Terror felt like a different epoch.

The Hamas terror attacks and Western response are a sharp return to those dynamics, though we had been living with their offspring for some time – the new systems of censorship have their origins in the War on Terror, which then shifted to countering violent extremism, and expanded to countering anti-elite dissent more broadly.

The earth pivots on its axis once more. I’ve seen five in my lifetime – the fall of communism, 9/11, Trump and Brexit, Covid, and now the Hamas attacks. The last three pivots coming in just the past seven years. Apart from the first, all the others resulted in a radical winding back of civil liberties. That looks to be the case again and it could get far worse, especially if there are more attacks in the West itself.

I am now old enough to see the pattern in these moments. There are calm heads who have the best interests of the people at heart, and there are always a plethora of opportunists who do not. On each occasion, we are asked to give up our liberties, and in most cases, we never see them returned.

Just last month President Biden renewed the US state of emergency put in place since 9/11. 22 years.

The Neocons paved the way for the new authoritarianism with their secret courts, lies on WMDs and the Iraq invasion, and the construction of a massive system of surveillance. Corporate liberals enthusiastically jumped on board, expanding the surveillance state and then remodeling the War on Terror to “counter violent extremism,” justifying the micro-policing of the internet to combat hate and “disinformation.”

Both approaches were devoid of principles – rather each asked “Which political grouping is most advantageous to me?” and went about weaponizing the tools at their disposal. For woke liberals and progressives that meant an alliance with the intelligence community and the administrative state (the Censorship-Industrial Complex) to counter populist movements and to rein in dissent more broadly. This system seemingly reached its zenith during Covid, where freedom of expression advocates turned a blind eye (or worse joined) efforts to censor legitimate speech.

We may be nowhere near the zenith.

Now that alliance with the administrative state is fraying. Progressives and liberals in the digital rights space were happy to sign up for NATO-aligned censorship initiatives when the enemy was Russia. Many are unlikely to do the same for Palestine. In fact, many celebrated Hamas’ pogrom. BLM Chicago tweeted their support of the massacre at the music festival, pro-Hamas protesters in Sydney chanted “gas the Jews,” and 34 Harvard student organisations claimed the rapes and killings committed by Hamas were “entirely” the fault of Israel.

Just the day before too much side-eye could lose you your job.

The fact that progressives found it hard to condemn the killing of Jews (orthodox, left, right, liberal alike) or need to “contextualise” a Nazi being applauded in Canada’s parliament, shows us just how crazy things have become. But this “speech” has also exposed the bigotry of those who claim to fight bigotry.

No one can seemingly walk and chew gum.

If there is any silver lining it is that the depths of this hypocrisy have been exposed, along with the people who coddle and fail to confront them.

And now the censors are coming for the woke and the free Palestine movement. Already positions are shifting radically on censorship – some free speech champions on the right now advocate censorship, and previously enthusiastic censors on the left now rail against getting canceled.

In France, Germany, Britain, and Australia there are crackdowns on legitimate protest and free expression in support of Palestine and against the war. Thierry Breton, European Commissioner for the Internal Market, went further with his threats against social media.

Only a few months ago I wrote that it is “important to return to strong principles of free expression, including for ideas we dislike. The shoe will one day again be on the other foot. When that day comes free speech will not be the enemy of liberals and progressives, it will be the best possible protection against the abuse of power.”

That day has come much more quickly than I anticipated.

Those who have grounded themselves in politics rather than principles have created a great unmooring that has left us vulnerable to the latest political huckster and led us down a dark, dark, path.

This is not a call for equanimity – that Jews should just have to deal with threats to protect freedom of expression, and vice-versa. There are laws to deal with calls for actual violence and the glorification of terrorism. That should be the small reserve of hate speech laws, rather than micro-policing the clumsy speech of everyday citizens.

But unfortunately, it will probably not work like that. The Pandora’s box of everyday surveillance was opened by the Neocons and expanded by corporate liberals and their woke allies. Into that current will be swept speech and expression of all kinds; hateful, constructive, and otherwise.

Is the speed and force of this shift enough to convince those who had abandoned free speech to renormalise it as a principle? The shoe is now on the other foot.
 

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Again tell me how the Israelis are going to destroy Hamas and its will and abilty to make war without killing their children whom they are using as meat shields? You can't because there is no way to do that. So you engage in the sophistry of "It's always immoral to kill kids" argument without acknowledging the reality that for the Israelis to secure victory and peace they are going to have to kill civilians including children. Present a solution or shut the fizuck up.
I did above. Look up. Perhaps you missed it.

I have been a giant fan of the Israeli Defence/Army since well before I understood what "jewish" meant or how Israel came to be. Since the Raid on Entebbe, I have been enamoured with the Israeli desire to protect her peoples (jews, arabs and christians) and to extract extreme vengeance on those who brought the fight to Israel or its peoples.

I was very sure, post 9/11, that paving the lands of bin Laden was the right thing to do....but the ******* MIC decided that Afghanistan, then Iraq were the places --and peoples -- to destroy, instead of the fuc king Saudis that funded and masterminded the attack on innocents. Hundreds of thousands died in what, in retrospect, was a pretty useless waste of resources, especially humans. (How many American soldiers died or suffered injury because of misdirected vengeance? bin Laden went down what, 11 or 12 years later? wtf???)

I get that in hitting targets, families are collateral damage. That is a price. If the residents of Gaza do not move their kids, then they will be part of the price. I have been amazed for the past generation plus, that Palestinian youth have not risen up against their oppressor: their own government. That lack of internal solution has led directly to the mess of the day, courtesy of Iranian and Russian courage/planning/resources.

So far, the Israelis seem to be closer to my suggestions than your extermination plan. Time will tell.

Go and enjoy your balls and those of the others you write about until its time to use them.
 

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Joe Biden set to visit Israel as push to open Gaza crossing falters​


Translation: Sleepy joe goes to another country to tell them how not to secure their border. Border bad, ice cream good

Bongino talked about this visit. He said there is absolutely zero chance that this trip had not been planned for quite some time. There's no way the secret service would be able to secure a freaking war zone with a few days notice.
 

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A leftist could have their parents wiped out by a fellow leftist and that sombitch would still vote for them.
A lot of leftists hate their parents for not being leftists (or as far left) like them.
 

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Biden stumbles around, mumbles a few words, yells at somebody for no reason, and is led off the stage - again.

Every person who pushed for this bumbling imbecile dementia patient to be President should be forced to apologize and lose voting rights until xe can prove ze know the difference between these two:

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[Pssst, lefties - it's a trick question! There is no difference!!]
 

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This is beginning to border on insanity if true. I read an article where Biden wants to send 100 million dollars to Palestine in humanitarian aid (can he just wave a magic wand with our money?) and hundreds of Democratic Socialists (it's different) took over the Capitol today in protest of Israel, (don't worry no one will be arrested).

American Jews in general have always voted Dim, if this doesn't give them pause, nothing will.
 

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Biden stumbles around, mumbles a few words, yells at somebody for no reason, and is led off the stage - again.

Every person who pushed for this bumbling imbecile dementia patient to be President should be forced to apologize and lose voting rights until xe can prove ze know the difference between these two:

walter-linda-tiepelman.jpg
5616.jpg


[Pssst, lefties - it's a trick question! There is no difference!!]
Nonsense, Walter is much more intelligent.
 

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This is beginning to border on insanity if true. I read an article where Biden wants to send 100 million dollars to Palestine in humanitarian aid (can he just wave a magic wand with our money?) and hundreds of Democratic Socialists (it's different) took over the Capitol today in protest of Israel, (don't worry no one will be arrested).

American Jews in general have always voted Dim, if this doesn't give them pause, nothing will.

Yeah,I just read that about Biden giving money. His time in office can not end soon enough... ******* moron.
 

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